Arizona law doesn't go "far enough" for Florida.

Florida AG proposes tougher state immigration law | Reuters



Who's ready for Florida to join Arizona as the laughing-stock of the country?

That link didn't really provide any explanation, and I don't think what is going on in Arizona is very funny.

That link didn't really provide any explanation, and I don't think what is going on in Arizona is very funny.

McCollum to Push Arizona-Style Immigration Law in Florida


That's probably a better link.

Granted, it's probably just an election ploy for McCollum, but important none the less.

I don't think what is happening in Arizona is very funny either but I surely appreciate the state government there trying to do something to help. The Mexican drug cartels have started targeting random people in Austin. Recently, two tourist from Florida were stabbed in downtown Austin by illegals associated with the drug trade. They were stabbed literally less than a block from the condo that I live in.

It used to be that you could just avoid the bad areas and not get involved in drugs and none of these people would mess with you. But, now they are in downtown Austin targeting random people and are moving closer towards the University of Texas.

I know that this is a lot more than just an immigration issue but it seems like if there were no illegal immigrants the neighborhood in which I would like to attend college would be a much safer place.

These laws won't amount to much (assuming they survive litigation) as long as we are not willing to secure our borders.

Until we do that, there is no real way to control it,

I find all of these proposals to be very distasteful and racially & economically motivated.

It is a FACT that we have fewer illegal aliens in the US now than we did 3 years ago - a million fewer.

It is a FACT that we are deporting illegal aliens at a higher rate than before.

So if the numbers of illegal aliens are already less than they were before and continue to shrink why are these proposals coming out?

If crime is the true concern, changing the basic constitutional principles of our country is not a valid solution - law enforcement and increased security is.

So if the numbers of illegal aliens are already less than they were before and continue to shrink why are these proposals coming out?

The simple answer to that is because it's an election year.

If crime is the true concern, changing the basic constitutional principles of our country is not a valid solution - law enforcement and increased security is.

Would it make you happy if they checked everyones immigration status anytime someone is stopped?

In May of 2008, Anthony Bologna, a 48-year-old man driving home from a family outing, was murdered?along with two of his sons?by an El Salvadoran MS-13 gang member.

?Edwin Ramos was an illegal alien gang member of Mara Salvatrucha-13 who had been arrested by the San Francisco police on three occasions but because of the City of San Francisco?s sanctuary policy he was released on each time and no phone call was ever made to ICE,?

Crime is the true issue here. I don't want any person who is honestly here for a better life or to help his/her family be deported. But when you have someone who has committed a crime he/she needs to be gone.

We need to make it easier to come over here legally because right now it is much to difficult. But over here we need to enforce the hell out making sure everyone is here legally.

Senator Schumer proposed a bill that would create an electronic national I.D. card. It might take away some of the freedom we have but I would be willing to give that up if it means I can go to college and not worry about being stabbed by an illegal immigrant every time I want to go down to 6th street in Austin.

McCollum's campaign is grabbing anything it can in order to try to catch back up to Rick Scott by primary day. And one of his big problems is that he has done nothing that's proactive to this point (the SPT had a good line comparing his campaign to Weekend at Bernie's the other day) so I think this is his attempt to try to look like he can do something.

The RPOF really screwed up by backing McCollum so early. He's a Bob Dole type who they seemed to pick because he has no original thoughts and could be relied upon to toe the party line 100%. And by backing him instead of Charles Bronson or Paula Dockery, who both seemed less corpse-like, they opened up the door big time for the run by Rick Scott.

Would it make you happy if they checked everyones immigration status anytime someone is stopped?

Part of why the Arizona law was so stupid was that they ALREADY check the immigration status of anyone who is booked.

The first thing an officer asks you for in any traffic stop or accident is your driver's license - which is a government issued ID card valid for interstate travel.

And if you are an immigrant (non-citizen) over the age of 18 you are already required to have your papers on you at all times.

Part of why the Arizona law was so stupid was that they ALREADY check the immigration status of anyone who is booked.

The first thing an officer asks you for in any traffic stop or accident is your driver's license - which is a government issued ID card valid for interstate travel.

And if you are an immigrant (non-citizen) over the age of 18 you are already required to have your papers on you at all times.

Schumer's idea is not like a drivers license; it would be an electronic national I.D. card with a bunch of information on it that everyone would be required to carry. I have known illegal immigrants in the past who have gotten drivers licenses, so it can't be that difficult.

If you do it with drivers license then the person would have to be driving in order to ask them for it; with this card any time you commit a crime doing anything the cop will first ask you for your I.D. card.

A second good part of this is that it could have medical history on it so if you were in a car crash and the hospital couldn't get your medical history they could just scan this card so that they would know how to treat you.

Why do we need a new ID card?

I already have a State ID card - a drivers license that also contains all my emergency contact information (Florida lets you enter it online so if you are in an accident the cops can easily get it).

I already have a National/International ID - my US passport.

Anyone with a medical condition a hospital or EMT would need to know wears a standardized medic alert bracelet.

Yes, you can get a license without being a citizen, but that doesn't mean your immigration status is not checked if you commit a crime - the group we should be most concerned about enforcing the immigration status of anyway.

I just got a passport card because it was only a $15 add-on when I was getting a full passport anyways. It's probably similar to the proposed electronic is in terms of technology, and State Department is very explicit about how you should always have it in its special sleeve or anyone with an RFID reader can easily scan the electronic data encoded on it.

Which is semi-disturbing because who knows would be scaning you, and if they were organized it would be so easy to set it up to pull data from the card and then use the info to arrange burglaries or something. At least with the passport card, you don't have a home address listed, unlike with a driver's license.

Schumer's idea is not like a drivers license; it would be an electronic national I.D. card with a bunch of information on it that everyone would be required to carry. I have known illegal immigrants in the past who have gotten drivers licenses, so it can't be that difficult.

If you do it with drivers license then the person would have to be driving in order to ask them for it; with this card any time you commit a crime doing anything the cop will first ask you for your I.D. card.

A second good part of this is that it could have medical history on it so if you were in a car crash and the hospital couldn't get your medical history they could just scan this card so that they would know how to treat you.

You can't require anybody to carry an ID.

Who's ready for Florida to join Arizona as the laughing-stock of the country?

The biggest problem with this is that there were a boat load more people for what AZ did than against it.

You can't require anybody to carry an ID.

Anyone who plans to get a job will have to carry the ID.

Anyone who plans to get a job will have to carry the ID.

You are still not required to have ID on your person when out in public.

The biggest problem with this is that there were a boat load more people for what AZ did than against it.

Of course that is true, and I am amongst the ones who support what AZ did. But even though most people support it, they have become the laughing-stock of the country.

Here is the poll.

?a whopping 64 percent support the law,? Todd marveled, ?and we read them the law verbatim exactly as it's been written? and still, he repeated, ?64 percent approve of it.

Read more: NBC Astonished Poll Finds Most Support Arizona Law and Anti-Terror Profiling; Skip GOP Surge | NewsBusters.org

Anyone who plans to get a job will have to carry the ID.

Why?

How about we just step up enforcement/persecution of employers who hire illegals instead of requiring EVERYONE to carry ID all the time.

I don't carry ID at all times and I have no desire to start.

Of course that is true, and I am amongst the ones who support what AZ did. But even though most people support it, they have become the laughing-stock of the country.

Here is the poll.

I don't think that makes them a laughing stock. I think that most think that they were great for having the cahones to actually go through with it. Even though the teeth got pulled out of the law by a Clinton appointed Judge I still think that they were admired for what they tried to do.

and there's no period at the end of the sentence, yet. This still has a ways to go!

Why?

How about we just step up enforcement/persecution of employers who hire illegals instead of requiring EVERYONE to carry ID all the time.

I don't carry ID at all times and I have no desire to start.

Because currently, in many cases, it is difficult to prove that the employer knew the person was in this country illegally. But if we had an I.D. card that the employer was required to scan, that is more difficult to fake than the current social security card, the employers would have no excuse.

Every job I have ever had, Day 1 (or before) I had to provide my social security number/card and a valid government issued photo ID.

Since those jobs included short term agricultural labor (machete and leg guard provided) I don't feel this is an unnecessary burden or rocket science.

It's 2010 - an employer should be able to enter a SSN and a name/ID form into a website in less than 5 minutes, print a confirmation, and place the burden on the government/Homeland Security/INS/IRS to find out if someone is using fake ID.

Of course that would mean the EMPLOYER would then have to pay the proper taxes - the REAL reason IMO many don't try too hard. ;-)

5% of all newborns in the US were to Illegals. I think we have a major problem. Enforcement is a bandaid. We need to fix the method and the motivation which is sealing our borders and cracking down on employers.

I believe that stat includes babies born where 1 or more parents are illegal.

So a US citizen could give birth or father a child and it would be included in that statistic.

Do you have a source?

P.S. IMO 5% being born to an illegal parent pales next to the fact that almost 40% of US babies are being born to unwed mothers - bad news for our country on social, economic, and education levels.

if these folks were canadians, no one would bat an eye.

if these folks were canadians, no one would bat an eye.

Well, 56% of illegal immigrants are from Mexico and an additional 22% are from other Latin American countries. 13% more are from Asia.

Only 6% are from Canada and Europe combined.

Where these people are from is truly irrelevant. The problem is that they are here and some are a threat to national security and everyday life.

Of course, not all terrorist and bad people are illegal, and I would venture to say that the vast majority of illegals are good hard-working people, but we need to stop looking at this as a race issue, and realize that it is truly an issue of national security, hopefully before it's too late.

Part of why the Arizona law was so stupid was that they ALREADY check the immigration status of anyone who is booked.

The first thing an officer asks you for in any traffic stop or accident is your driver's license - which is a government issued ID card valid for interstate travel.

And if you are an immigrant (non-citizen) over the age of 18 you are already required to have your papers on you at all times.

Yep, arrest/booking reports I'm pretty sure have a box for:

U.S. citizen? Y/N

At least they did when I was typing them. So that is already being done, it's not a new thing for sure. I like the Sherrif of Maricopa county, Arizona. If every jail were run like his, maybe criminals wouldn't be so complacent about doing time.

Yep, arrest/booking reports I'm pretty sure have a box for:

U.S. citizen? Y/N

At least they did when I was typing them. So that is already being done, it's not a new thing for sure. I like the Sherrif of Maricopa county, Arizona. If every jail were run like his, maybe criminals wouldn't be so complacent about doing time.

Sanctuary cities don't detain illegal immigrants. That is kind of the point of a "Sanctuary city". Having a box to check if the person is a U.S. citizen is useless if the cop is not allowed to do anything about it.

I do think it's odd though that sanctuary cities are allowed to openly defy federal law and get away with it but Arizona tries to enforce federal law and it gets shot down. Any explanations?

On July 31, 2008, 14-year-old Ivan Miranda was murdered and nearly decapitated in a sword attack in San Francisco's Excelsior neighborhood. Authorities arrested Rony Aguilera, known as "Guerrillero," in the attack and believe Aguilera is an illegal immigrant from Honduras. Aguilera had been arrested in 2007 in an assault case, but was never reported to federal immigration officials due to San Francisco's sanctuary policy.

Sorry Ivan Miranda, you probably didn't have to die, but because liberals in San Francisco think they are so great for not reporting or detaining illegal immigrants, you did.