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"Can't Keep a Bad Idea Down"

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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/27/opinion/27friedman.html?hp
A dysfunctional political system is one that knows the right answers but can?t even discuss them rationally, let alone act on them, and one that devotes vastly more attention to cable TV preachers than to recommendations by its best scientists and engineers.
Here is a little dose of reality about where we actually rank today,? says Vest: sixth in global innovation-based competitiveness, but 40th in rate of change over the last decade; 11th among industrialized nations in the fraction of 25- to 34-year-olds who have graduated from high school; 16th in college completion rate; 22nd in broadband Internet access; 24th in life expectancy at birth; 27th among developed nations in the proportion of college students receiving degrees in science or engineering; 48th in quality of K-12 math and science education; and 29th in the number of mobile phones per 100 people.

?This is not a pretty picture, and it cannot be wished away,? said Vest. The study recommended a series of steps ? some that President Obama has already initiated, some that still need Congress?s support ? designed to increase America?s talent pool by vastly improving K-12 science and mathematics education, to reinforce long-term basic research, and to create the right tax and policy incentives so we can develop, recruit and retain the best and brightest students, scientists and engineers in the world. The goal is to make America the premier place to innovate and invest in innovation to create high-paying jobs.

You?ll have to Google it, though. The report hasn?t received 1/100th of the attention given to Juan Williams?s remarks on Muslims.

This speaks to what I have been thinking about lately: I can't understand why a person who supported President Obama in the last election would not vote for the Democrats this time; do they really want to go back to where we were? So what if he has not done enough and has tried too hard to get Republican support; his efforts are better than the alternative;
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why don't Republicans understand that the current group of Tea Party candidates are not really interested in making our country the best it can be...why has the Republican Party let itself be taken over by the Glen Beck community? as Friedman writes, why are television preachers listened to more than our best scientists and engineers....good questions I think. I just wish more people would ask themselves some of these questions.

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Kurt avatar
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Video games and television and such appear to be much more interesting than math and science to young people. It's been 50 or 60 years since excellence has been universally expected and truly cool with the majority of students.
walk the walk avatar
Beach Fanatic
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Video games and television and such appear to be much more interesting than math and science to young people. It's been 50 or 60 years since excellence has been universally expected and truly cool with the majority of students.
We are experincing a Jimmy Carter again,it will take a Reagan to save us.
Mitt Romney has the skills,VP is insignificant as Biden has proved:lol: but Newt Gingrich gets my nod for that position.

3...2...1.....here comes the insults from the left supporters.
Jdarg avatar
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We are experincing a Jimmy Carter again,it will take a Reagan to save us.
Mitt Romney has the skills,VP is insignificant as Biden has proved:lol: but Newt Gingrich gets my nod for that position.

3...2...1.....here comes the insults from the left supporters.

So anyone disagreeing with you is insulting you?
walk the walk avatar
Beach Fanatic
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So anyone disagreeing with you is insulting you?
It was sarcasm.I forgot the little icon thingy.The thread is still young,it will grow legs soon enough.;-)
Andy A avatar
Beach Fanatic
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So anyone disagreeing with you is insulting you?
If you think that posts by "some" on this board are not, on occasion, insulting, I have the proverbial bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you. Oh, and so you don't have to say it, that goes for the right, too, but they are usually not so obvious.
scooterbug44 avatar
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Math and science can be MUCH more exciting than video games - it's all in the teaching methods..................and the teachers.

One of our math lessons involved launching water balloons of different sizes with a giant slingshot (outdoors) and graphing the results.
LuciferSam avatar
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Actually, a lot of people who are heavily into video games excel at math and science. Some of those games are incredibly complex. Definitely not for slow-witted simpletons with short attention spans.
30ashopper avatar
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/27/opinion/27friedman.html?hp

This speaks to what I have been thinking about lately: I can't understand why a person who supported President Obama in the last election would not vote for the Democrats this time; do they really want to go back to where we were? So what if he has not done enough and has tried too hard to get Republican support; his efforts are better than the alternative;
and
why don't Republicans understand that the current group of Tea Party candidates are not really interested in making our country the best it can be...why has the Republican Party let itself be taken over by the Glen Beck community? as Friedman writes, why are television preachers listened to more than our best scientists and engineers....good questions I think. I just wish more people would ask themselves some of these questions.

IMHO, we aren't going back to the way things were, we're going to try something new. We are moving away from single party control to a balance of power. The sides will also be switched from what we had between 2006 - 2008. The american people didn't like the results of that period, they didn't like the results of 2008 - 2010, so now we are ready to change things up again.

Some of my optimism stems from the fact that the vast majority of folks headed to congress in January have never held federal office.

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Lynnie avatar
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Where should we be ranking in these categories and by whose standards?

And, why only these categories? I can think of several that aren't on his list.

I feel a movement toward overall betterment, also. True change. I am optimistic as are most of the people I know.
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Actually, a lot of people who are heavily into video games excel at math and science. Some of those games are incredibly complex. Definitely not for slow-witted simpletons with short attention spans.

...or for people with lacking social skills,no hobbies or simply hard to look at.
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If you think that posts by "some" on this board are not, on occasion, insulting, I have the proverbial bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you. Oh, and so you don't have to say it, that goes for the right, too, but they are usually not so obvious.

I find many posts on here a simply lacking in truth, but have never taken one as an insult. I just consider the source and move on.
Matt J avatar
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Where should we be ranking in these categories and by whose standards?

And, why only these categories? I can think of several that aren't on his list.

I feel a movement toward overall betterment, also. True change. I am optimistic as are most of the people I know.

Right, since the campaign from the Tea Bagging right has been one of unity and working together. :sarc:

If Republicans take control of congress the only thing I can guarantee is 2 years of stalling and possibly an impeachment attempt.
LuciferSam avatar
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...or for people with lacking social skills,no hobbies or simply hard to look at.


You probably feel the same way about people who excel at math and science.
walk the walk avatar
Beach Fanatic
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You probably feel the same way about people who excel at math and science.
Nah,not really but pretty boring.An exception though,this spring,I had an opportunity to fish cobia fish with a NASA rocket engineer and he was a very nice and cool guy.....Going to fish with him again this coming spring.

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scooterbug44 avatar
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Seriously, how can 20% of Americans be that dumb? :idontno:

Not only is that basic 1st grade geography, it's how they show you the weather, and a common logo (Tom Thumb is just one example).
Beach FanaticAuthor
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IMHO, we aren't going back to the way things were, we're going to try something new. We are moving away from single party control to a balance of power. The sides will also be switched from what we had between 2006 - 2008. The american people didn't like the results of that period, they didn't like the results of 2008 - 2010, so now we are ready to change things up again.

Some of my optimism stems from the fact that the vast majority of folks headed to congress in January have never held federal office.

If I believed that most of those people were seriously interested in making a real difference and working to improve our government I would feel better...but, there is little to demonstrate that seriousness IMO.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/26/AR2010102605216.html
But the country the right wants to return to isn't the America that the Greatest Generation built. Judging by the statements of many of the Republican and Tea Party-backed candidates on next Tuesday's ballots, it's the America that antedates the New Deal -- a land without Social Security, unions or the minimum wage. It's the land that the Greatest Generation gladly left behind whey they voted for and built the New Deal order. All of us should want our country back, but that country should be the more prosperous and economically egalitarian nation that flourished at the time when America was not only the world's greatest power, but also a beacon to the world.


The ones who are spending tons of their own money are not doing it for any alturistic reason nor are they doing it to work 24/7 at a job that pays in a year what many of them now make in maybe a week or less..also, the fact that they have no experience, while on the surface may sound like a good thing; is full of danger points--mostly staffed by special interest operatives, who have been in the game for a long time...the newbies won't have a chance against the likes of K Street.
The Republican machine is fueled by the big corporations and that is not about to change, especially now that the conservative Court has given free rein to corporations to fund campaigns without disclosure...

Not until many more capable people who are interested in making a real difference in our political process, stand up and make their voices heard will we see the kind of change you refer to IMO.

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wrobert avatar
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Right, since the campaign from the Tea Bagging right has been one of unity and working together. :sarc:

If Republicans take control of congress the only thing I can guarantee is 2 years of stalling and possibly an impeachment attempt.


What is this obsession you seem to suddenly have with tea baggers?
30ashopper avatar
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But the country the right wants to return to isn't the America that the Greatest Generation built. Judging by the statements of many of the Republican and Tea Party-backed candidates on next Tuesday's ballots, it's the America that antedates the New Deal -- a land without Social Security, unions or the minimum wage. It's the land that the Greatest Generation gladly left behind whey they voted for and built the New Deal order. All of us should want our country back, but that country should be the more prosperous and economically egalitarian nation that flourished at the time when America was not only the world's greatest power, but also a beacon to the world.

Harold Meyerson - When Tea Party wants to go back, where is it to?


A noble cause no doubt. ๐Ÿ˜€

But remember, the press is centered a small subset of tea party favorites. In this election we're looking at 50 - 70 house turn overs and 10 -15 senate turn overs. I would love to see a break down of which of all of these support what the wapo described. I'd be willing to bet the vast majority of them fit more in with the "limit debt, smaller government" group than the "tear down the new deal" group.
LuciferSam avatar
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There's another group of ill-informed people who frighten me as well. I'm talking about people who choose out of their own free will to believe in nonsense.

...Failure to think critically also affects politics, and politics affects everybody. Remember Mike Huckabee?s tear-ridden testimony about how certain he was that supernatural forces propelled him to victory in the Iowa presidential caucuses? And yet, when he crashed and burned in the polls shortly afterward, how he was strangely silent?

Am I the only person concerned about such an individual becoming the Commander in Chief of the most powerful military in the world?...


FAGIN: Belief in obvious nonsense is not a harmless indulgence | things, around, fun - Opinion - Colorado Springs Gazette, CO

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Beach FanaticAuthor
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A noble cause no doubt. ๐Ÿ˜€

But remember, the press is centered a small subset of tea party favorites. In this election we're looking at 50 - 70 house turn overs and 10 -15 senate turn overs. I would love to see a break down of which of all of these support what the wapo described. I'd be willing to bet the vast majority of them fit more in with the "limit debt, smaller government" group than the "tear down the new deal" group.

when you find that information post it...I am having a hard time finding a list of anyone I could call a reasonable fiscal conservative who doesn't support outlandish ideas about how to govern.
Beach FanaticAuthor
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quote=30ashopper;704204]A noble cause no doubt. ๐Ÿ˜€


Sorry to burst your bubble, but I think this assessment is more on point:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/31/opinion/31rich.html?src=me&ref=general

Trent Lott, the former Senate leader and current top-dog lobbyist, gave away the game in July. ?We don?t need a lot of Jim DeMint disciples,? he said, referring to the South Carolina senator who is the Tea Party?s Capitol Hill patron saint. ?As soon as they get here, we need to co-opt them.? It?s the players who wrote the checks for the G.O.P. surge, not those earnest folk in tri-corner hats, who plan to run the table in the next corporate takeover of Washington. Though Tom DeLay may now be on trial for corruption in Texas, the spirit of his K Street lives on in a Lott client list that includes Northrop Grumman and Goldman Sachs.

Mike Huckabee, still steamed about Rove?s previous put-down of Christine O?Donnell, publicly lamented the Republican establishment?s ?elitism? and ?country club attitude.? This country club elite, he said, is happy for Tea Partiers to put up signs, work the phones and make ?those pesky little trips? door-to-door that it finds a frightful inconvenience. But the members won?t let the hoi polloi dine with them in the club?s ?main dining room? ? any more than David H. Koch, the billionaire sugar daddy of the Republican right, will invite O?Donnell into his box at the David H. Koch Theater at Lincoln Center to take in ?The Nutcracker.?

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30ashopper avatar
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but I think this assessment is more on point:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/31/opinion/31rich.html?src=me&ref=general

Fitting article by Rich just before Holloween.. If people aren't motivated to vote, scare the bajeezus out of them. Colbert would be proud! ๐Ÿ˜€

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