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Suggestions for how to reduce spending, balance the budget, and pay off the deficit

scooterbug44 avatar
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I think we ALL agree that we need to get government spending and waste (at the federal and state level) under control.

Please post your DETAILED and NON-POLITICAL SNARK suggestions for how to do so - both revenue producing and expenditure reducing - and list what you think the pros and cons of this action are, as well as the amount you think it is worth.

Please critique other's suggestions ONLY based on their fiscal merit, possible consequences, or hidden costs. There are 467 other threads full of partisan bickering and vague philosophical agendas.

Critiques of numbers/sources should have a contradicting link to refute them - MERELY QUESTIONING SOMEONE'S SOURCE IS NOT OKAY, YOU NEED TO HAVE CONTRADICTORY NUMBERS.

CampCreekLou posted this earlier and I thought it could be a starting point for the discussion/give people ideas. http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2010/10/How-to-Cut-343-Billion-from-the-Federal-Budget

Here are my suggestions:

1) Tax campaign contributions - 10% across the board for all races and PACs with the proceeds going to balance the budget in each given municipality. All money left in the "war chest" after the election is donated as well. Money collected for candidates who drop out of the race or choose not to run is also forfeit.

Pros: This does not raise taxes for anyone and generates revenue. Opens up campaign finances to more scrutiny from the IRS. Everyone is treated equally.

Cons: Politicians won't vote for it.

2) All federal employees must fly coach on domestic flights to be reimbursed. This will save approximately $70 million a year.

Pros: Easy savings, applies to everyone equally.

Cons: None I can think of. The option is still open for them to upgrade on their dime/use miles.

3) Plastic bag fee - all stores & vendors must charge 10 cents for every plastic bag. The collected fee goes to recycling programs.

Pros: This is a proven way to make people immediately aware of their consumption, reduce waste and our consumption of fossil fuels. This applies to everyone equally.

Cons: The plastics industry lobbyists have our politicians' ears and in some areas have made laws to prevent this from happening.

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Em avatar
Beach Fanatic
#52
off road vehicles using untaxed diesel fuel are illegal to drive on roads. There are huge fines if they are caught and the untaxed fuel has a color additive to make it easy to spot when checking.

I'm not defending idling rebates.

Who said anything about me being against minimum drinking age, seatbelt laws and such? I think you are trigger happy. Settle down. I simply said that the fed's used tax dollar allocation as carrots over states, making states basically jump on the fed's choices for those things, rather than each state making its own laws.
Matt J avatar
SWGB
#53
off road vehicles using untaxed diesel fuel are illegal to drive on roads. There are huge fines if they are caught and the untaxed fuel has a color additive to make it easy to spot when checking.

I'm not defending idling rebates.

Who said anything about me being against minimum drinking age, seatbelt laws and such? I think you are trigger happy. Settle down. I simply said that the fed's used tax dollar allocation as carrots over states, making states basically jump on the fed's choices for those things, rather than each state making its own laws.

Read it again, it's a rebate for using taxed Diesel, as in the kind you can purchase at a gas station.

I'm not being trigger happy, you used the example of the US government withholding funding to enforce minimum drinking age and seat belt laws. The last thing that the US government threatened to withhold funding over was the standardization of the BAC for DUI's to be .08. I believe it was a valid question.

Further it's not just flat out withholding either, it's general a percentage of the total as a fine.

On October 23, 2000, President Clinton signed legislation that will require each state to pass .08% blood alcohol concentration (BAC) as the presumptive level of intoxication for driving, or lose a portion of their federal highway funding. States have until October 1, 2003, to pass a .08% BAC ?per se" law that would meet the provisions of an existing federal incentive grant or face the withholding of 2 percent of their federal highway construction funds, as part of the new .08% law. States that have not passed a .08% BAC law by October 1, 2004, will lose 4 percent of their federal highway construction funds. States without .08% BAC per se laws by October 1, 2005, will lose 6 percent of their federal highway construction funds, and on October 1, 2006, and each year thereafter, states without .08% BAC laws will lose 8 percent of their funds.

Again even the seat belt issue was only 2% and didn't even have a provision for an escalation due to non compliance.

Seat Belt Laws: Still Hazy After All These Years | Advocates for Highway and Auto Safety

The minimum drinking age was lowered in 1984 with the highest penalty of 10%.

National Minimum Drinking Age Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

After being here for several spring breaks I can state without reservation that this country is not ready for 16 year-olds to be considered legal drinking age.

I'm not jumping the gun I'm just pointing out that your original statement was incorrect in the assumption that US government imposes it's will by threatening to withhold funding. Perhaps the statement would be more accurate that the Federal government imposes standardization by withholding small amounts of funding. If a state doesn't want to lower is BAC to .08 then they loose some highway funding, not all. It's a choice that each state would have to make and after watching several states refuse stimulus money I don't see why it's such a big deal?
Bob Wells avatar
Beach Fanatic
#54
Watch it now, you are starting to sound like a reasonable person. :lol: I think the way you describe it sounds like it makes sense, but our gov't doesn't operate quite that way. Two years ago, I, also thought that earmarks should be kicked to the curb. Then, I did more research and discovered that it really won't matter as the money will still be spent. The way I understand it, which may be incorrect, is that instead of money going to certain projects, crammed in bills, the money would go to appropriations where the appropriations committee would decide where to send that money, which comes right back to the politicians with the most pull/connections.

I'm no expert on this, but the more I learn about the systems and hoops in gov't, the more I realize it's a big game of who's who.

I agree, then rather than trying to figure out what to cut, we should look at how we can change the way things operate in our seats of Government. I do understand how our government operates, some I like some not so much. When the leadership in the House and Senate at the National and State level dictate to those we send to represent us, the way they are to represent us then it is screwed up. So Brad, Marti, Jimmy, Don, Little Gaetz, Evers and the like, remember you are there to represent the folks that put you there and you should consider what is in the best inyerest of the electorate who put you there and not the Leadership of your party. That goes for the Dems also.
Matt J avatar
SWGB
#55
I agree, then rather than trying to figure out what to cut, we should look at how we can change the way things operate in our seats of Government. I do understand how our government operates, some I like some not so much. When the leadership in the House and Senate at the National and State level dictate to those we send to represent us, the way they are to represent us then it is screwed up. So Brad, Marti, Jimmy, Don, Little Gaetz, Evers and the like, remember you are there to represent the folks that put you there and you should consider what is in the best inyerest of the electorate who put you there and not the Leadership of your party. That goes for the Dems also.

So if there is this huge backlash against representative's who don't listen to their constituents then why were Jimmy and Marti elected in such land slides? Does that issue become moot when the other side isn't as far right leaning?
Bob Wells avatar
Beach Fanatic
#56
Because folks want to be and R or a D over and independent thinker.
Joefromseagrove avatar
Beach Comber
#57
Reward Public employees

Implement at all levels of government a reward system for public employees who suggest cost saving measures. (example: Janitor suggests turning up the AC at the county building at night saving the county 15k in electricity, rewarded with a $1500.00 bonus)
scooterbug44 avatar
SoWal ExpertAuthor
#59
Courtesy of Canoehead, a graphic breakdown of the difference ($36.6 billion) between the Republican and Democrat plans by income groups. They seem very close until you get to the high income bracket.

Comparing Democratic and Republican tax plans

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Matt J avatar
SWGB
#60


I guess the new level for the RNC is $500,000.00+ to play.
scooterbug44 avatar
SoWal ExpertAuthor
#61
The Post Office lost $8.5 billion this year - my suggestion is to severely cut back on indirect advertising (why does a money loser need to sponsor a cycling team?) and crank up the rates for standard mail (advertising, political fliers etc.) - both from an environmental and economic perspective.
30ashopper avatar
SoWal Insider
#62
I guess the new level for the RNC is $500,000.00+ to play.

Big government is expensive.
Elephant Child avatar
Beach Lover
#63
Cut the ridiculous military budget. Bring home the troops from Iraq and Afghanistan, followed by closing military bases in any country other than the US. Combine the Navy's Air Force with the Air Force. Stop producing machines of war that were last used in World War II. I can live with a readiness level that's only 1000% above the next militarized country.

Instead of simply discontinuing military personnel when they come home, retrain them to start dismantling our nuclear stock pile and offer those personnel to other countries willing to dismantle theirs.

The money savings would be huge initially, but I would also advocate 50% of those savings be spent on veterans to provide housing, health care, rehabilitation, and education primarily focusing on veterans with mental and physical disabilities.

if we did everything you suggest, then your closet would be filled with thobes, ghutras, egals and bishts. Not sure that is the fashion statement you wish to make SWGB. Without funding our defense we leave ourselves wide open.
futurebeachbum avatar
Beach Fanatic
#64
Here's a good suggestion from Bloomberg that should save a significant amount of money. "Full Frontal Nudity Doesn?t Make Us Safer: Abolish the TSA"

In the spirit of bipartisanship and sanity, I propose that the first thing on the chopping block should be an ineffective organization that wastes money, violates our rights, and encourages us to make decisions that imperil our safety. I?m talking about the Transportation Security Administration.

Bipartisan support should be immediate. For fiscal conservatives, it?s hard to come up with a more wasteful agency than the TSA. For privacy advocates, eliminating an organization that requires you to choose between a nude body scan or genital groping in order to board a plane should be a no-brainer.

It is mind boggling to me that we spend the amount of money that we do on the TSA (annual budget $7B) and give them the absolute power that they have over us when the odds are far far greater that we'll die in a car wreck or in our own bathtub than in a terrorist attack on an airliner.
scooterbug44 avatar
SoWal ExpertAuthor
#65
I don't think we should abolish the TSA, just put someone with common sense in charge.

I got a full 10 minutes from Papa Scooterbug about the dumbarse new restrictions on printer cartridges. :roll:

Scan everyone and everything for explosives. Done.

P.S. Papa Scooterbug loves the new scanners - much easier for him as he's full of metal. But common sense should prevail there too - he's got a giant surgical scar and a special ID card but still has major hassles all the time.

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Lynnie avatar
SoWal Insider
#66
The Post Office lost $8.5 billion this year - my suggestion is to severely cut back on indirect advertising (why does a money loser need to sponsor a cycling team?) and crank up the rates for standard mail (advertising, political fliers etc.) - both from an environmental and economic perspective.

The USPS sponsors a cycling team? Huh! Who knew? It was created as an Agency and relieved of that in the 70's, I think.....but, still doesn't have to pay Federal taxes like traditional private enterprise.

I recently went through the new millimeter scanner and as a result, scored myself a full pat down.....underwire bra was the culprit. I think TSA has improved dramatically since its inception in 2001. I respond better to a pat down if you're actually nice to me, than being a jerk, sportin' a badge with authority like the early days. :lol:
scooterbug44 avatar
SoWal ExpertAuthor
#67
Common sense seems to be lacking very frequently - I've gotten stopped for a gum wrapper in my pocket on one occasion and walked through with a battery operated pedometer and several pounds of jewelry on others.

They tried to claim my underwire bra was setting off the wand once - but since I wasn't even wearing a bra, I questioned that one. :roll:

Would certainly love it if they changed the rules so incompetent and unhelpful airport personnel couldn't use the TSA as a weapon against customers. If they put half the effort into helping that they do threatening people with the TSA the skies would run a lot better.

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BeachSiO2 avatar
Beach Fanatic
#68
Would certainly love it if they changed the rules so incompetent and unhelpful airport personnel couldn't use the TSA as a weapon against customers. If they put half the effort into helping that they do threatening people with the TSA the skies would run a lot better.

After more than 100+ legs flown this year, I can say without a doubt that some of the worst TSA officials are in the smallest airports. I am in and out of Reagan National in DC at least twice a month and it is night and day to some of the small airports. The small airports drive me NUTS!!!
Bob avatar
SoWal Insider
#69
a robust economy solves 80 percent of our problems. business must be incentivised to invest in the united states.
Bob avatar
SoWal Insider
#70
Big government is expensive.
wall street out of control is worse
Matt J avatar
SWGB
#71
I find it interesting that people hate the USPS and think it should be abolished, but when Obama ended the giant welfare teat that was student loans people went ballistic and elected a sub-par funeral director into office.
scooterbug44 avatar
SoWal ExpertAuthor
#72
After more than 100+ legs flown this year, I can say without a doubt that some of the worst TSA officials are in the smallest airports. I am in and out of Reagan National in DC at least twice a month and it is night and day to some of the small airports. The small airports drive me NUTS!!!

I have the opposite experiences - have a theory that the higher the number of people involved the higher the percentage of incompetent/lazy people.

Though I doubt I'd last a day dealing with the idiocy of fliers who are baffled by the new rules - that have been in place for YEARS. :roll:
Lynnie avatar
SoWal Insider
#73
Who hates the USPS?
scooterbug44 avatar
SoWal ExpertAuthor
#74
Who hates the USPS?

I like sending and receiving first class mail & packages, I hate junk mail, bureaucracy, and incompetence of most of the employees.
Lake View Too avatar
SoWal Insider
#75
From my understanding, there is still no one in charge of the TSA. I believe Obama's choice for head of this department is one of about 65 of his apointments that are still held up by Republican fillibustering on appointments. Does anyone know if this is still the case?
Beauty hunter avatar
Beach Fanatic
#76
Ya'll are just way more knowledgeable than me in the budget dept.
I would have no clue how to escape this financial mess so I won't attempt it, but one thing bothers me, we borrowed money from China.
To me it's one thing to have trouble financially within our country, but quite another to make ourselves vulnerable to another country.
If the borrower is subject to the lender, then we have just sold ourselves as slaves to China.
We, as a nation, should batten down the hatches and solve this financial crisis within our nation.
I believe it is national suicide to borrow money from other countries.
If we emulate one or many of our citizen's successful budget plans, or the ideas of another citizen's or countries' budget plan that works, it is certainly better than being a toadstool in the black cauldron that's slowly rolling to a boil.
Like Scooterbug said, Why sit we here until we die- let's find a solution, right?
Who says our voice doesn't count, this is our government and our nation.
You guys have some good suggestions, I think, budgets make me crazy.
It's not the theory of a budget that's annoying, it's the specific details that make my eyes glaze over.
Obviously, I'm not an accountant.
Carry on Einsteins, I'll have to join in on another subject.

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