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Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military - CNN.com

I haven't heard Sen. McCain's reasoning why this is still a bad idea other than his clear homophobia.

he had a tingly sensation once in Bangkok

59% of current servicemen say it will have a negative impact and don't want it overturned. You gotta listen to the people it impacts not the bureaucrats. Shoving stuff down people's throats is a losing policy. They need to show them how the change won't affect them and get them on board.

59% of current servicemen say it will have a negative impact and don't want it overturned. You gotta listen to the people it impacts not the bureaucrats. Shoving stuff down people's throats is a losing policy. They need to show them how the change won't affect them and get them on board.

This statement is a mirror image of many statements being made after WWII when ending military segregation was being discussed.....

59% of current servicemen say it will have a negative impact and don't want it overturned. You gotta listen to the people it impacts not the bureaucrats. Shoving stuff down people's throats is a losing policy. They need to show them how the change won't affect them and get them on board.

Where did you get that statistic? The current report, that has been worked on for about a year, says that 70% of current servicemen say it will not have a negative impact. You and McCain seem to be on the same page: ignore the facts.

Where did you get that statistic? The current report, that has been worked on for about a year, says that 70% of current servicemen say it will not have a negative impact. You and McCain seem to be on the same page: ignore the facts.

It's a new report:
Why ?Don?t Ask, Don?t Tell? Isn?t Over Yet - Newsweek

The report surveyed servicemen and women, finding some 70 percent of active-duty and reserve respondents had no opposition to letting gays serve, saying the effects would be positive, mixed, or nonexistent. As soon as those early details of the report were leaked to The Washington Post, advocates of letting gays serve saw a potential galvanizing effect for DADT repeal. ?The survey is one more sign that our military is ready to end this restrictive policy,? Sen. Mark Udall, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee who will push for repeal,

The reason the numbers are so much higher in the Army and Marine corps are because these soldiers are in tight living quarters and in a war zone where showers and confined grooming areas are very non discreet.I would imagine straight soldiers knowing who the gay person is in this situation and (he) got a strange look or approach could be harmful to the soldier(s)..I mean we might as well put straight men in the female barracks....it is the same type of example.

Not homophobic but I am telling it like it is.So blast me anyway and add to my negative rep. points.:sarc:

As a woman who has lived in "tight living quarters" with both lesbians and straight males, I fail to see why it's an issue.

Either you are an adult who can act like one, or you aren't. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with it.

As a woman who has lived in "tight living quarters" with both lesbians and straight males, I fail to see why it's an issue.

Either you are an adult who can act like one, or you aren't. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with it.

It is why this issue is such a fire storm...don't shoot the messenger.

The reason the numbers are so much higher in the Army and Marine corps are because these soldiers are in tight living quarters and in a war zone where showers and confined grooming areas are very non discreet.I would imagine straight soldiers knowing who the gay person is in this situation and (he) got a strange look or approach could be harmful to the soldier(s)..I mean we might as well put straight men in the female barracks....it is the same type of example.

Not homophobic but I am telling it like it is.So blast me anyway and add to my negative rep. points.:sarc:

Have you ever been in a situation where you spend several days/weeks in sleeping quarters with gays and females?

I have.

In 30+ years of EMS, I spent a lot of time in close quarters with gay and female Paramedics. In some instances 1:1 sleeping arrangements in a bedroom/office. Not Once did I feel uneasy and not once did any party try to push their sexuality on the other. It's called being a professional.

I strongly believe that the vast majority of our enlisted soldiers are professional enough not to have an issue with someone based on their sexuality. Will there be exceptions. Sure. There are exceptions now with issues associated with aggressiveness do to sex. AND there are severe repercussions associated with those violations.

Have you ever been in a situation where you spend several days/weeks in sleeping quarters with gays and females?

I have.

In 30+ years of EMS, I spent a lot of time in close quarters with gay and female Paramedics. In some instances 1:1 sleeping arrangements in a bedroom/office. Not Once did I feel uneasy and not once did any party try to push their sexuality on the other. It's called being a professional.

I strongly believe that the vast majority of our enlisted soldiers are professional enough not to have an issue with someone based on their sexuality. Will there be exceptions. Sure. There are exceptions now with issues associated with aggressiveness do to sex. AND there are severe repercussions associated with those violations.

The key word here is,EXCEPTIONS.You hit it out of the park.I personally feel the government set this rule strictly for safety reasons.Code Red ring a bell?

No, the reason the issue is a firestorm is because of homophobia and stereotypes.

Gay soldiers crossed the Potomac with Washington - it's nothing new.

Gays are currently in the military, they are currently serving in all jobs and zones, they are currently using the same showers, barracks, and living in tight quarters, and they are currently dying for our country.

All this change means is that there can be no more gay witch hunts and discharges of personnel who are doing their job, but are gay.

The key word here is,EXCEPTIONS.You hit it out of the park.I personally feel the government set this rule strictly for safety reasons.Code Red ring a bell?

I'm sure that our dear government felt the same way when the military was segregated. The rules were there for the "safety reasons" to protect the black soldier....:sarc:

BTW....your Code Red reference was about a superior ordering the brutal beating of a soldier do to his sloppiness and not following chain of command.... not his sexual preference......Watch the movie....you'll love Jack;-)

No, the reason the issue is a firestorm is because of homophobia and stereotypes.

Gay soldiers crossed the Potomac with Washington - it's nothing new.

Gays are currently in the military, they are currently serving in all jobs and zones, they are currently using the same showers, barracks, and living in tight quarters, and they are currently dying for our country.

All this change means is that there can be no more gay witch hunts and discharges of personnel who are doing their job, but are gay.

Well you just made my point as Arkie did.:clap:
Exceptions and witch hunts.It all boils down to SAFETY of the soldier.

Well you just made my point as Arkie did.:clap:
Exceptions and witch hunts.It all boils down to SAFETY of the soldier.

Well, based on your exception reasoning....then the military needs to castrate all male soldiers due to the high percentage of female soldier rape that occurs annually. After all...it boils down to the safety of the soldier.....:sarc:

Green chicklets trump red chicklets..everytime.

Well, based on your exception reasoning....then the military needs to castrate all male soldiers due to the high percentage of female soldier rape that occurs annually. After all...it boils down to the safety of the soldier.....:sarc:

So gay witch hunts and female rapes are not safety issues? Why do you think they are segregated? And don't ask and don't tell has been issued? Look man,it is what it is and I am done trying to explain why it is an issue but don't worry,the courts will fix it for everyone and when the EXCEPTION takes place,there will be lawsuits and court martials.

Green chicklets trump red chicklets..everytime.

:lolabove: I have got to have set some kind of record here.:lol: