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Corporate Tax Rate

Beach Fanatic
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so often I hear people say "the US has highest corporate tax rate" it happened just now in the thread about Walmart moving manufacturing offshore or to China...

I don't pretend to understand all the nuances of corporate tax, or other tax systems either, but I have heard credible people say that our corporate tax rate is not, in fact, that high. This document seems to support that:
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/69xx/doc6902/11-28-CorporateTax.pdf

so can someone who has some real knowledge about it-- or some good research point me in the right direction to find some data?

Buz? Shopper? Anyone?

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DuneAHH avatar
Beach Fanatic
#27
I didn't say or even imply in any way that it is legal.

No one had to tell me it goes on, I experienced it time after time. Working for a conservative, publicly traded firm trying to acquire S Corps I finally gave up. I never found one with books that came anywhere close to 'clean' and the work to clean them up so that they could withstand the kind of scrutiny our auditors give overshadowed the value of the deal too much.

As an aside, most people can discern 'legal' from reality.

:lolabove: ROFL. I dunno why but the ironic comedic qualities of the bold/underlined statement transports me to front row audience seats at The Comedy Club or NYC's Improv.
Thanks! With this I bid G'Night 🙂
Beach Fanatic
#28
I didn't say or even imply in any way that it is legal.

No one had to tell me it goes on, I experienced it time after time. Working for a conservative, publicly traded firm trying to acquire S Corps I finally gave up. I never found one with books that came anywhere close to 'clean' and the work to clean them up so that they could withstand the kind of scrutiny our auditors give overshadowed the value of the deal too much.

As an aside, most people can discern 'legal' from reality.

I'm confused.

Publicly traded companies CAN NOT be subchapter S corporations.

If a subchapter S corporation has more than 100 shareholders it HAS to operate as a C corporation.
Beach Fanatic
#29
:lolabove: ROFL. I dunno why but the ironic comedic qualities of the bold/underlined statement transports me to front row audience seats at The Comedy Club or NYC's Improv.
Thanks! With this I bid G'Night 🙂

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futurebeachbum avatar
Beach Fanatic
#30
I'm confused.

Publicly traded companies CAN NOT be subchapter S corporations.

If a subchapter S corporation has more than 100 shareholders it HAS to operate as a C corporation.

I don't understand your confusion.

Are you saying that you believe that publicly traded C-corps cannot acquire S-Corps?

There is a whole field of M&A consulting build around the various tax treatments available to such an acquisition. If this is confusing to you, perhaps you should look into some training in the areas of finance and tax law.
Beach Fanatic
#31
I don't understand your confusion.

Are you saying that you believe that publicly traded C-corps cannot acquire S-Corps?

There is a whole field of M&A consulting build around the various tax treatments available to such an acquisition. If this is confusing to you, perhaps you should look into some training in the areas of finance and tax law.

I misunderstood your post, I assumed (and that gets me in trouble) you meant a C corp trying to "acquire" S corp status.

Years ago, I approached my retarded CPA about my C corp acquiring S corp status. The ding-a-ling blew me off.

I have a different accountant and 2 'S' corps now.

C corps can buy S corps and your analysis makes sense.

Now that I reread your post it's clear.

Sorry for the confusion.

I do disagree strongly with your assertation that an S corp

" makes it significantly easier to comingle personal expenses, etc.."

The same tax laws you refer apply equally to S and C corporations.

I agree completely that "the reporting/conformance burden of big government oversight ways far more heavily on them (small businesses) than it does on large corporations."

Thanks for the tip but I have over 30 hours of continuting education credit for 2010.

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futurebeachbum avatar
Beach Fanatic
#32
I misunderstood your post, I assumed (and that gets me in trouble) you meant a C corp trying to "acquire" S corp status.

Years ago, I approached my retarded CPA about my C corp acquiring S corp status. The ding-a-ling blew me off.

I have a different accountant and 2 'S' corps now.

C corps can buy S corps and your analysis makes sense.

Now that I reread your post it's clear.

Sorry for the confusion.

I do disagree strongly with your assertation that an S corp

" makes it significantly easier to comingle personal expenses, etc.."

The same tax laws you refer apply equally to S and C corporations.

I agree completely that "the reporting/conformance burden of big government oversight ways far more heavily on them (small businesses) than it does on large corporations."

Thanks for the tip but I have over 30 hours of continuting education credit for 2010.

No problem.

Maybe its not an S-corp thing. Maybe its a small business thing and all of them that I examined happened to be S-corps. I just (maybe mistakenly) assumed that audit requirements would be a bit stronger on C-corps.

Every S-corp I looked at had revenue recognition issues; the owners spouses traveling to 'conferences and events' with the owners at company expense; spouslings drawing pay and/or with company cars without really working there; vacation condos owned by the business but only used by the owners and their families;the list goes on and on.

Even with an asset purchase, the risk was just too great for our conservative board so I gave up.

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