Lovely.
Apparently the Germans vetted the guy's story back in 2000 and thought he was lying - but we still listened to him. :bang:
'Curveball': I lied about Iraq WMD - World news - Mideast/N. Africa - msnbc.com
"LONDON ? An Iraqi defector who went by the codename ?Curveball? has publicly admitted for the first time that he made up stories about mobile bioweapons trucks and secret factories to try to bring down Saddam Hussein?s regime.
"I had a problem with the Saddam regime," Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi, who fled Iraq in 1995, told The Guardian newspaper. "I wanted to get rid of him and now I had this chance."
As it turned out, Powell was not told that one of the sources for the information ? ?Curveball" ? had been flagged by the Defense Intelligence Agency as suspect and untrustworthy.
Tyler Drumheller, the former head of the CIA in Europe, said Curveball's admission made him feel better about himself.
Drumheller, who says he warned his superiors at the CIA before the 2003 invasion that Curveball might be a liar, said the confession would be a final wake-up call for those who continue to insist there had been weapons of mass destruction.
"The interesting part for me is that he has recanted what he said, which is fascinating in the sense that I think there are still a number of people who still thought there was something in that. Even now," Drumheller told the Guardian."
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Seen "The Green Zone"?
SoWal Insider
It seems like a whole lot of us thought that what the Bush administration was telling us didn't ring true. A lot of us just let it slide because the general feeling was to not rock the boat. I wonder if this was the way Nazi Germany started. Whether the majority of Americans were really behind the war, the important thing to remember is that the Arab world, the middle east, thought that the whole United States was in favor of the war. That's what we have to deal with now.
Beach Fanatic
Seen "The Green Zone"?
YES! I 'felt' so true... it made the neck hairs stand up.
SoWal Insider
It seems like a whole lot of us thought that what the Bush administration was telling us didn't ring true. A lot of us just let it slide because the general feeling was to not rock the boat. I wonder if this was the way Nazi Germany started. Whether the majority of Americans were really behind the war, the important thing to remember is that the Arab world, the middle east, thought that the whole United States was in favor of the war. That's what we have to deal with now.
I see the new era of civility democrats were emphatic about just a few short SoWal threads ago has come to an end.
SoWal ExpertAuthor
That comment was actually mentioning the Nazi government for pertinent historical reasons - not to call ANYONE a Nazi as part of misguided hyperbole.
"All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
"All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
SoWal Insider
"I was watching Obama's nomination acceptance speech in Denver the other night. Amazing to see all the banners and fireworks and talk of radical change in America. I wonder if this was the way Nazi Germany started."
SoWal ExpertAuthor
Kudos Glenn - you just showed how not to use the reference. :roll:
Lakeview's example was that whether we like it or not, OUR lack of action as citizens has led to the world viewing our country a certain way and we will have to live with those consequences - long after the fact.
Lakeview's example was that whether we like it or not, OUR lack of action as citizens has led to the world viewing our country a certain way and we will have to live with those consequences - long after the fact.
Beach Lover
"I was watching Obama's nomination acceptance speech in Denver the other night. Amazing to see all the banners and fireworks and talk of radical change in America. I wonder if this was the way Nazi Germany started."
Are you implying that his opposition has kept mum about its discontent over the election's outcome in the days since?
SoWal Insider
Are you implying that his opposition has kept mum about its discontent over the election's outcome in the days since?
No I'm implying there are double standards when it comes to criticism and politics.
Beach Lover
No I'm implying there are double standards when it comes to criticism and politics.
When comparing apples to oranges, it will always seem that way.
Beach Fanatic
When comparing apples to oranges, it will always seem that way.
Makes me recall the line in "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" when Gus describes the 2 families as apples & oranges, but ends with ....
"we're all fruit".
SoWal Insider
The article cited said that the CIA lied to the Secretary of State about the trustworthiness of the single most important reason offered by the Bush administration for the invasion of a sovereign country. 30-A Shopper: you're welcome to defend your president all you want. Incompetent? Corrupt? Let's hear a rebuttal instead of whining.
SoWal Insider
The article cited said that the CIA lied to the Secretary of State about the trustworthiness of the single most important reason offered by the Bush administration for the invasion of a sovereign country. 30-A Shopper: you're welcome to defend your president all you want. Incompetent? Corrupt? Let's hear a rebuttal instead of whining.
I was critiquing your commentary on President Bush in light of recent events, that's all. I am not interested in getting into a Bush / Iraq discussion with you. That would be a complete waste of my time.
Beach Fanatic
I was critiquing your commentary on President Bush in light of recent events, that's all. I am not interested in getting into a Bush / Iraq discussion with you. That would be a complete waste of my time.
The biggest foreign policy blunder since the Austria-Hungarian empire invaded Serbia in 1914, your team should keep it on the down low.
$1 Trillion and counting, 100K Iraqis dead, almost 4500 American soldiers dead...and you ain't got the time.
:idontno:
SoWal Insider
The biggest foreign policy blunder since the Austria-Hungarian empire invaded Serbia in 1914, your team should keep it on the down low.
$1 Trillion and counting, 100K Iraqis dead, almost 4500 American soldiers dead...and you ain't got the time.
:idontno:
Apparently you don't hang out on SoWal enough. Otherwise you would know exactly what I'm talking about.
SoWal Insider
Apparently you don't hang out on SoWal enough. Otherwise you would know exactly what I'm talking about.
I'm not anybody knows what you're talking about. Do you?
SoWal Insider
I'm not anybody knows what you're talking about. Do you?
😀 You and I discussing the merits of entering Iraq? Haven't we had this discussion a millions times before? I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mine. Right?
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Beach Lover
Apparently you don't hang out on SoWal enough. Otherwise you would know exactly what I'm talking about.
That was then, this is now. Refresh us. I don't think even Great Granny SoWalski remembers what you're talking about.
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