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13,000 protest Governor's plan to change collective bargaining for public employees

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Schools are closed because 40% of the teachers called in sick, the Governor is threatening to call out the National Guard, protesters spent the night sleeping in the Capitol building, the Super Bowl Champs are taking sides, and the police have shut down the streets around the governor's house (in a different city) due to hundreds of protesters.

This is going to be interesting to watch - mass civil disobedience, plus the parallels between this governor and Florida's Scott are interesting. (He turned down high speed rail money, is offering tax breaks to get businesses to relocate, wants to sell off state assets, appointed someone in construction to streamline the DNR, isn't taking a salary etc.)

Thousands descend on Wis. Capitol in protest - Politics - More politics - msnbc.com

MADISON, Wis. ? Thousands of people descended on the Wisconsin state Capitol for a second day of powerful protests Wednesday as key votes approached on Republican Gov. Scott Walker's plan to strip away the collective bargaining rights of public employees.

While other states have proposed bills curtailing labor rights, Wisconsin's measure is the boldest step by a new Republican governor and Legislature to solve budget problems by confronting organized labor. It would end collective bargaining, except over wages less than the Consumer Price Index, for all state, county and local workers except for police, firefighters and the state patrol.

Walker's plan would make workers pay half the costs of their pensions and at least 12.6 percent of their health care premiums. State employees' costs would go up by an average of 8 percent. The changes would save the state $30 million by June 30 and $300 million over the next two years to address a $3.6 billion budget shortfall. Unions could still represent workers, but could not seek pay increases above the Consumer Price Index unless approved by a public referendum. Unions also could not force employees to pay dues and would have to hold annual votes to stay organized. Local police, firefighters and state troopers would retain their collective bargaining rights.

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Andy A avatar
Andy ABeach Fanatic
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30ashopper, you realize you are nothing but a rabblerouser and troublemaker. Government workers have a basic right to collectively bargain and it should not be infringed upon. I am a former public servant and had an absolute right to collective bargain...oh, wait, we didn't have collective bargaining in Oklahoma. We had an Oklahoma Public Employee's Association instead. Oh, and we had a merit system for hiring as well. Funny how those ignorant Okies seem to function much better than some of those elite cheeseheads in Wisconsin, isn't it? And I don't see any riots in the streets, either. I hope Florida follows Oklahoma's example and not Wisconsin's.
AndrewG avatar
AndrewGBeach Fanatic
#203
This liberal was busy being pissed about property damage.

And publicizing idiotic acts like this to get ratings just encourages this kind of behavior.

Publicizing Sarah Palins website with the targets promoted the same behavior? Where was this statement then? You're flip flopping when it's convenient.
LuciferSam avatar
LuciferSamBanned
#204
government of the people, by the people, for the people

The only basic rights I consider are those afforded under the Bill of Rights. Your confusing what you think should be rights vs what are. If the will of the people wish to amend rights they will be added.

This isn't a monarchy. Ridiculous...it's not a basic right simply because you think it is.

I'm sorry but your knowledge of the constitution and our form of government is woefully inadequate. The constitution and the bill of rights have nothing to do with the will of the people One of the purposes of our constitution is to protect against the tyranny of the majority. The US Supreme court often makes rulings that are overwhelmingly unpopular. The Westboro Baptist Church ruling is a recent example. We are a constitutional republic with democratically elected officials. These officials are not permitted to enact laws simply because they have popular support. If these laws are shown to be unconstituional, then they can be overruled regardless of their popularity. Come on now, surely I don't have to cite examples from our nation's checkered past in order to make my point. I would hope that your knowledge of history is better than you seem to indicate.
scooterbug44 avatar
scooterbug44SoWal ExpertAuthor
#205
It isn't called flip-flopping when you have the same consistent opinion. :roll:

Wackadoos shouldn't get lots of media attention when they make threats - because it encourages more wackadoos. Media outlets show their communications/videos to garner ratings and it fuels the idiocy. I say that in every situation like this. Find the Virginia Tech thread and I'll have posted the same thing.

Never have I said threatening violence against elected officials was acceptable. That was the whole point of that Palin kerfuffle.
LuciferSam avatar
LuciferSamBanned
#206
30ashopper, you realize you are nothing but a rabblerouser and troublemaker. Government workers have a basic right to collectively bargain and it should not be infringed upon. I am a former public servant and had an absolute right to collective bargain...oh, wait, we didn't have collective bargaining in Oklahoma. We had an Oklahoma Public Employee's Association instead. Oh, and we had a merit system for hiring as well. Funny how those ignorant Okies seem to function much better than some of those elite cheeseheads in Wisconsin, isn't it? And I don't see any riots in the streets, either. I hope Florida follows Oklahoma's example and not Wisconsin's.

Authoritarian types tend to surrender to authoritarianism. It's a vicious cycle that feeds on itself. I think that describes OK in a nutshell.
scooterbug44 avatar
scooterbug44SoWal ExpertAuthor
#209
I blame anyone who uses violence and hysteria to fuel their political agenda.

Hurting politicians (or anyone else) and causing property damage is not the way to do things.
Matt J avatar
Matt JSWGB
#210
My biggest fear is that if this is what is happening in laid back Wisconsin, can you imagine what will happen when it hit's another State like say Florida?
GoodWitch58Beach Fanatic
#211
The Wisconsin Senate Chair is at least being honest about why the unions in Wisconsin are being destroyed:
State Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald set everyone straight last night:

If we win this battle, and the money is not there under the auspices of the unions, certainly what you?re going to find is President Obama is going to have a much difficult, much more difficult time getting elected and winning the state of Wisconsin.
Power, Baby, Power | Mother Jones

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30ashopper avatar
30ashopperSoWal Insider
#212
The worst that government employees will endure is a requirement that they pay 12.6 percent of their own health-insurance premiums and 5.6 percent of their own pension contributions. And they all will receive something of value: a regularly scheduled vote about whether to be represented by their unions, which often serve no one?s interests but those of the union bosses themselves.

And that is the real source of the rage on the left: Mandatory union representation, empowered by mandatory collective bargaining and mandatory dues deductions enforced by the state, creates an enormous flow of cash for Democratic political candidates and their pet causes. From 1989 to the present, five of the ten biggest donors to American political campaigns have been labor unions, including public-sector unions such as the National Education Association and the American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees. The overwhelming majority of those donations go to Democrats. The union bosses and their Democratic patrons know that giving workers more of a choice about union representation will diminish that power and reduce that cash flow. That is what this is about, for all of the cheap talk about ?civil rights? ? as though federal employees in Washington were being treated like second-class citizens because their unions do not enjoy the same princely powers until now wielded by Wisconsin?s.

A Very Modest Victory in Madison - The Editors - National Review Online

Follow the money... it's not about rights.
Bob avatar
BobSoWal Insider
#213
government of the people, by the people, for the people

The only basic rights I consider are those afforded under the Bill of Rights. Your confusing what you think should be rights vs what are. If the will of the people wish to amend rights they will be added.

This isn't a monarchy. Ridiculous...it's not a basic right simply because you think it is.
you have no rights. they can be taken by an unchecked power at any moment. what do you think martial law is?
30ashopper avatar
30ashopperSoWal Insider
#214
Gov. Scott Walker signed the bill Friday that repeals most collective bargaining by public employee unions.

He signed the bill privately in the morning and will hold a news conference later in the day to tout the signing and talk about the tumultuous past few weeks. Also Friday, Walker directed the Office of State Employment Relations to rescind layoff notices because the Legislature had passed the bill.

"The Legislature helped us save 1,500 middle-class jobs by moving forward this week with the budget repair," Walker said in a statement. "The state will now be able to realize $30 million in savings to balance the budget and allow 1,500 state employees to keep their jobs. The reforms contained in this legislation, which require modest health care and pension contributions from all public employees, will help put Wisconsin on a path to fiscal sustainability."

Walker signs budget-repair bill, rescinds layoffs - JSOnline

On the road to fiscal responsibility.
Rita avatar
Ritamargarita brocolia
#215
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I just read where the Wisconsin Firefighters came up with a peaceful way to inflict some damage on a bank whose executives and board members were among the highest donors to Gov Walker's campaign. This bank, Madison's M&I, also received almost $2 billion in bailout monies from troubled assets relief program.

They created a sort of tsunami of people taking $$ out of the bank - which closed early yesterday to stop it. Something close to $800,000 got moved out and no blood shed. ...:cool:


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scooterbug44 avatar
scooterbug44SoWal ExpertAuthor
#216
I thought the firefighters were big contributors to Walker and one of the few groups exempted from the recent bill. :idontno:

The reports I am reading say it was only $200K from individual firefighters's accounts, not a large pension fund that was moved - as they don't have an account.

Do you have a link?

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30ashopper avatar
30ashopperSoWal Insider
#217
I thought the firefighters were big contributors to Walker and one of the few groups exempted from the recent bill. :idontno:

That was manufactured by the democrats. One firefighter local in Milwaukee apparently supported him during the election, the rest endorsed the democrat. Walker chose to exclude high risk employees from the pension contributions. That seemed pretty reasonable to me.
Rita avatar
Ritamargarita brocolia
#218
I thought the firefighters were big contributors to Walker and one of the few groups exempted from the recent bill. :idontno:

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The firefighters have been supportive of the protests all along even though they were exempted presumably because they donated to Walker's campaign. They aren't exempt now. In the current bill revision, only state troopers are exempt.

edit: so I guess state troopers are the only "high risk" employees now?

Interesting how state politics plays out:

Fitzgerald pick to head State Patrol smacks of favoritism

"At a minimum, this pick looks bad and will cause lingering suspicion as the state budget plays out. That?s because Fitzgerald?s two sons are Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald and Assembly Speaker Jeff Fitzgerald."

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/opinion/editorial/article_b0884557-ba54-5230-90f9-5eab74dffc25.html


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scooterbug44 avatar
scooterbug44SoWal ExpertAuthor
#220
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I just read where the Wisconsin Firefighters came up with a peaceful way to inflict some damage on a bank whose executives and board members were among the highest donors to Gov Walker's campaign. This bank, Madison's M&I, also received almost $2 billion in bailout monies from troubled assets relief program.

They created a sort of tsunami of people taking $$ out of the bank - which closed early yesterday to stop it. Something close to $800,000 got moved out and no blood shed. ...:cool:
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Per the WSJ, the bank closed because of hundreds of protesters causing security concerns at the branch near the Capitol, not the amount of money taken out. $192K seems to be the amount withdrawn, though the internet campaign to withdraw money from M&I continues.

M&I Bank branch on Capitol Square closes after protests

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