Religious Leaders call GOP Budget Immoral...

I was not expecting that! Good for them.

all I can say, is it's about time--I have long wondered how the religious leaders could sit by and let some of this continue...and I am even more puzzled by the people like James Dobson who contribute to the problem, while at the same time claiming to support compassionate and caring values ...the hypocrisy really is disgusting.

Because they are followers not leaders. As long as the collection plate stays full with enough money to build more and more tax free mini cities they will keep their mouths shut.

What is immoral is continuing to steal from our grandchildren by recklessly borrowing money and throwing it away. Maybe the baptist leaders have figured this out.

The Ryan plan won't take Medicare away from us seniors--just from our children & grandchildren!

The Ryan plan won't take Medicare away from us seniors--just from our children & grandchildren!

The plan attempts to provide a sustainable form of Medicare for my generation and those coming behind us. In its present form it cannot be sustained. You can stick your head in the sand all you like, but the results will still be the same. If we do nothing it will collapse.

They aren't criticizing fiscal responsibility, they are criticizing a plan that hurts the poor and rewards the rich.

What we need are across the board austerity measures like Great Britain - EVERYONE sacrifices, not just those without good lobbyists.

They aren't criticizing fiscal responsibility, they are criticizing a plan that hurts the poor and rewards the rich.

What we need are across the board austerity measures like Great Britain - EVERYONE sacrifices, not just those without good lobbyists.

SB44, have you ever lived in Britain under their health plan? I have and I can say I seriously doubt you would like it. Rep. Paul Ryan has presented a plan. He has said it is a "starting point". Where's the President's plan? Where's the Democrat plan? Where's their budget? Some need to forget the idealism for at least a short period and get real! We are facing a fiscal and social disaster and anyone who thinks it is only due to one party or the other is not keeping up with local, national or global events.
My generation may have made a mess of things according to some but I don't think so. It, and the one preceeding it, created the most comfortable, progressive era every known to man. I don't see it being continued for those following me as so many refuse to accept the realities of life. So sad.

I am not talking about their health care plan - I am talking about their recent budget, which is getting widespread approval because while people dislike that they are giving things up/taking pay cuts, they at least feel it is fair because EVERYONE has to do it.

I'm not sure what cuts are planned for WIC, but I have long felt the ease of obtaining formula for low income moms is inappropriate. Good science demonstrates that babies do better overall when they are raised at least six months on breastmilk. For whatever reason many (if not most) 'poor' moms never make an attempt to breast feed. What a short, medium and long term economic relief it would be if there was more breast feeding and less formula use among all moms, especially the 'poor' who utilize public healthcare dollars.
I understand some moms simply can't, and those babies should get formula, but only after an honest attempt is made.

I'm not sure what cuts are planned for WIC, but I have long felt the ease of obtaining formula for low income moms is inappropriate. Good science demonstrates that babies do better overall when they are raised at least six months on breastmilk. For whatever reason many (if not most) 'poor' moms never make an attempt to breast feed. What a short, medium and long term economic relief it would be if there was more breast feeding and less formula use among all moms, especially the 'poor' who utilize public healthcare dollars.
I understand some moms simply can't, and those babies should get formula, but only after an honest attempt is made.

Here is where the education you and I both have posted about comes in...and yet, education dollars, especially for poor people, have been drastically cut in all areas.

They aren't criticizing fiscal responsibility, they are criticizing a plan that hurts the poor and rewards the rich.

What we need are across the board austerity measures like Great Britain - EVERYONE sacrifices, not just those without good lobbyists.

How exactly does the Ryan Medicare plan hurt the poor and reward the rich?

I'm not sure what cuts are planned for WIC, but I have long felt the ease of obtaining formula for low income moms is inappropriate. Good science demonstrates that babies do better overall when they are raised at least six months on breastmilk. For whatever reason many (if not most) 'poor' moms never make an attempt to breast feed. What a short, medium and long term economic relief it would be if there was more breast feeding and less formula use among all moms, especially the 'poor' who utilize public healthcare dollars.
I understand some moms simply can't, and those babies should get formula, but only after an honest attempt is made.

I think it would be great to promote breast feeding over formula, but there are many factors (including whether or not the mother actually can - close to 40% can't) that make this difficult.

Speaking of getting real-

I flat out refuse to take seriously anyone's plan for fixing the economy, the deficit and our debt who refuses to support letting the TEMPORARY Bush tax cuts expire.

How exactly does the Ryan Medicare plan hurt the poor and reward the rich?

His plan wants to give even greater tax cuts to the wealthy by up to 10%, in addition to that, cut the corporate tax rate significantly. It doesn't take rocket science to see beanie weanies in many people's future to buy health insurance in addition to the Medicare.

From Ryan's web page with his Plan:

- Simplifies tax rates to 10 percent on income up to $100,000 for joint filers, and $50,000 for single filers; and 25 percent on taxable income above these amounts. Also includes a generous standard deduction and personal exemption (totaling $39,000 for a family of four).​

- Eliminates the alternative minimum tax [AMT].​

- Promotes saving by eliminating taxes on interest, capital gains, and dividends; also eliminates the death tax.​

- Replaces the corporate income tax – currently the second highest in the industrialized world – with a border-adjustable business consumption tax of 8.5 percent. This new rate is roughly half that of the rest of the industrialized world.​

So based on 2011 tax rates, if you earn over $139K, your taxes would go down 3%, over 212.3K would go down 8%, over $379K, a whopping 10%.

It wasn't enough that we allowed the Bush tax cuts to stand, he wants them even lower, not a little, much lower.