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How Today's Conservatism Lost Touch with Reality

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OpEd at Time by Fareed Zakaria How Today's Conservatism Lost Touch with Reality

Its an interesting article.

"Conservatism is true." That's what George Will told me when I interviewed him as an eager student many years ago.
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Conservatism, he explained, was rooted in reality. Unlike the abstract theories of Marxism and socialism, it started not from an imagined society but from the world as it actually exists.
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Watching this election campaign, one wonders what has happened to that tradition. Conservatives now espouse ideas drawn from abstract principles with little regard to the realities of America's present or past.
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The Republican prescription is to cut taxes and slash government spending — then things will bounce back. Now, I would like to see lower rates in the context of tax simplification and reform, but what is the evidence that tax cuts are the best path to revive the U.S. economy? Taxes — federal and state combined — as a percentage of GDP are at their lowest level since 1950.
I would agree that simplification and reform would both be a very good thing, but that is not exactly the same as lowering taxes and cutting spending. (I also don't believe that either party is capable of truly cutting spending.)
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Many Republican businessmen have told me that the Obama Administration is the most hostile to business in 50 years. Really? More than that of Richard Nixon, who presided over tax rates that reached 70%, regulations that spanned whole industries, and who actually instituted price and wage controls?
The enacting of those price/wage controls was in no way a conservative move. That was an incredibly liberal (and short sighted) move. Rather than tackle the root causes, he chose to control inflation by limiting prices?
In fact, right now any discussion of government involvement in the economy — even to build vital infrastructure — is impossible because it is a cardinal tenet of the new conservatism that such involvement is always and forever bad.
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In the 1950s, '60s and '70s, the U.S. government made massive investments in science and technology, in state universities and in infant industries. It built infrastructure that was the envy of the rest of the world. Those investments triggered two generations of economic growth and put the U.S. on top of the world of technology and innovation.
But that history has been forgotten.
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Conservatives used to be the ones with heads firmly based in reality. Their reforms were powerful because they used the market, streamlined government and empowered individuals. Their effects were large-scale and important: think of the reform of the tax code in the 1980s, for example, which was spearheaded by conservatives. Today conservatives shy away from the sensible ideas of the Bowles-Simpson commission on deficit reduction because those ideas are too deeply rooted in, well, reality. Does anyone think we are really going to get federal spending to the level it was at under Calvin Coolidge, as Paul Ryan's plan assumes? Does anyone think we will deport 11 million people?

There is discussion in there about health care and other things, but I think that for me the infrastructure comment rings very true.

JFK's Man-On-The-Moon-By-The-End-Of-The-Decade required a lot of government investment. It also yielded the relatively strong economies of the 80's and 90's and put medicine and technology where they are today. We could do similar things today to develop greener, less geopolitically sensitive energy tech but neither party in the government seems to have the stomach to make such investments (although bailing out large banks, Wall Street, GM, etc... can be done without flinching.)

Whether liberal or conservative, we really need to figure out how to elect people who are truly more interested in the long-term welfare of the nation than they are in serving the short term needs of the special interests that fund them.

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30ashopper avatar
30ashopperSoWal Insider
#27
Well, your answer is better than Andy's electric pole dance. I think you're saying that in general people need to have the crap scared out of them in order to take a disciplined approach to living. To me that says in general people are really stupid.

I think it has more to do with complacency brought on by government insuring people that everything will be fine, nothing will go wrong. This is the negative side effect of big government, regulation, and our entitlement system. People begin to accept the idea that they can live their lives however they chose. So long as the government doesn't step in a say, "no, you can't do that", they think they’ll be ok. Under this type of system, if the floor falls out people find themselves blaming government and business instead of themselves. The response we see from government then is to grow the size and reach of government even farther. The problem is that as the size of government grows, more risks are exposed and handed over to government for management. Over time government is forced to remove all risk. The result of this is a long, slow, economic decline of the society since risk and growth are tied together. Look at the more extreme reactions people are having in Europe to the same crisis we are experience for examples of what happens as government grows and the expectations of the safety net expand.
idlewindBeach Fanatic
#28
So I guess that right now , nothing drastic is happening. I agree.

Unfortunately the iceberg of debt is straight ahead and people are not paying attention. When the inevitable crisis comes they will panic like the current situation in Greece. What would be much better for everyone would be to fix the situation before something drastic happens.
scooterbug44 avatar
scooterbug44SoWal Expert
#29
I'll just dance around the issue, thank you, since I don't consider solutions such as GM electric cars a viable solution at this point in time.

How about American companies manufacturing batteries for electric cars?

When Obama took office the US made 2% of the world's batteries for hybrid/electric cars, that is now over 20% and 30 new factories are being/have been built. If the Republican's don't screw with the incentive program that made that possible, by 2015 we can be making 40% of them.

30 new American factories (16 in Michigan) is nothing to scoff at.

Green technology is one of the best ways to create American manufacturing jobs. Green/Energy is one of the best ways to create jobs and cut overhead costs.

http://www.newsweek.com/2011/06/19/it-s-still-the-economy-stupid.html
30ashopper avatar
30ashopperSoWal Insider
#30
How about American companies manufacturing batteries for electric cars?

When Obama took office the US made 2% of the world's batteries for hybrid/electric cars, that is now over 20% and 30 new factories are being/have been built. If the Republican's don't screw with the incentive program that made that possible, by 2015 we can be making 40% of them.

30 new American factories (16 in Michigan) is nothing to scoff at.

Green technology is one of the best ways to create American manufacturing jobs. Green/Energy is one of the best ways to create jobs and cut overhead costs.

http://www.newsweek.com/2011/06/19/it-s-still-the-economy-stupid.html

If the batteries are so popular, why do manufacturers need incentives to build them? What this basically says is that without government subsidies the production of batteries wouldn't be economical and nobody would do it. The subsidies also distort the market hindering innovation in the field that might, hopfully, over time make the battery factories worth building. Basically, it's a short term fix with long term negative implications.
scooterbug44 avatar
scooterbug44SoWal Expert
#31
You need to actually read the article.

The batteries aren't subsidized. They are just getting help starting production.

The incentive is that they can cash in future tax credits to help defray start-up costs.
idlewindBeach Fanatic
#32
You need to actually read the article.

The batteries aren't subsidized. They are just getting help starting production.

The incentive is that they can cash in future tax credits to help defray start-up costs.

I don't like the whole idea of tax incentives, I would prefer the government charge what is needed to finance the essential functions of government. Everyone should pay their fair share. But under the current circumstances, I would rather see this type of program than those that give money away to non-productive people and organizations.
poppyBanned
#33
If the batteries are so popular, why do manufacturers need incentives to build them? What this basically says is that without government subsidies the production of batteries wouldn't be economical and nobody would do it. The subsidies also distort the market hindering innovation in the field that might, hopfully, over time make the battery factories worth building. Basically, it's a short term fix with long term negative implications.

For some reason Republicans believe it works fine for food and oil.
idlewindBeach Fanatic
#35
For some reason Republicans believe it works fine for food and oil.

I was always told two wrongs don't make a right. But you are correct that these welfare payments should be ended immediately.
scooterbug44 avatar
scooterbug44SoWal Expert
#36
It was long overdue and I hope it does pass - corn is one of the least efficient ways to get ethanol and we were paying oil companies to do what they were already required to do by law.
poppyBanned
#37
It was long overdue and I hope it does pass - corn is one of the least efficient ways to get ethanol and we were paying oil companies to do what they were already required to do by law.

And I just have trouble with the idea of turning food into fuel.
scooterbug44 avatar
scooterbug44SoWal Expert
#38
Ditto - especially since they aren't that efficient and millions are starving. That is why the military has been developing "non-food based biofuels" or processes that use waste.
Danny Burns avatar
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#39
I think Americans, in general, have lost touch with our reality.

I love Fareed as I think he is a good moral compass for America. But, here's my take on this subject:

It definitely was. The difference is that it wasn't a guns and butter type of spending. It was pretty much guns and guns and had the entire country unified behind it and all were willing to make sacrifices. It doesn't feel like there is a lot of that "let's all make sacrifices for the common good" attitude out there now.

Massive unity of purpose enables us to get great things done. OTOH, I don't think I want to see the type of event that generates that level of unity of purpose occurring.

We already had that type of catastrophic event occur. It happened on 9-11-01.

We had unity of purpose. We had a national resolve that rivaled our WWII era sense of indignity. We were again one nation, indivisible. Politics and greed guided us into this quagmire of divisiveness. WE, the people caused this to happen. WE, the people have allowed ourselves to be manipulated by fear and anger. WE, the people are just not doing our jobs as voters. WE, the people should be ashamed of ourselves for allowing this to happen.

We, the people can do something about it if we could only stop attacking someone for simply disagreeing with us. Getting angry doesn't solve problems, it only creates bigger problems. Compromise is exactly what our founding fathers knew they had to do to get our constitution ratified by the states. This fact is seemingly ignored by our alleged leaders. The ones always quoting the founding fathers and the constitution need to actually read the constitution or a history book!

Accusing a fellow American of being anti-American solves nothing. Radio and television attack dogs spewing hate and blame solves nothing. Always taking a party line and not thinking for yourself solves nothing. Cynicism solves nothing. Hate solves nothing.

I simply believe that too many Americans are selfish, short-sighted and irresponsible at this point in our history. As I stated in opening this post, we’ve already had the catastrophic event. Look where we are now, not as a result of it but, in spite of it.
WE, THE PEOPLE won’t be able fix anything if we can’t even be civil in our national discourse. WE, THE PEOPLE shouldn’t expect politicians, corporations and other manipulators to actually help the middle class, the backbone of the American economy.

WE, THE PEOPLE can resolve ANY issue facing America today. But, government of, by and for the people is not what we have now. What will YOU do about it?

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