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15,441Beach Fanatic
Damn, just reading where once again the US is going to fck over the Kurds. Shame.
They must have told trump no on his Biden scam.
When did Syria OK the US to move our guys into their country?
Trump is trying to honor what he ran on: "no more senseless foreign wars". I sincerely hope he pulls us completely out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, and many others. The $989 BILLION that we devote to maintaining our foreign empire could be spent at home don't you think?
The healthcare you all want, elaborate coast to coast rail system, upgraded interstates, FAA upgrades, energy infrastructure. Much of this could be reality if we moved just 20% of the defense budget over.
SoWal Insider
You’re flailing because your man is a lying scamming crook. Face reality.
Beach FanaticAuthor
Until there is a vote in the House, this is just Democrat theater to keep their base engaged, and MSM ratings games. Let's see if Nancy arranges the vote.I think it's just that more time goes by, the bigger the hole Trump digs for himself. The case builds. Impeachment and removal require justification, but that's not enough. There has to be motivation. From the house, we have more than enough votes. It would be nice to tack on one or 2 GOP votes just to twist the knife a bit. I fully believe the speculation that the number of GOP senators favoring removal is in double digits. I think there are at least that many who have some semblance of a moral compass. Most of them, for political reasons choose to remain anonymous, but there have been at least a couple of tells so far. I would put Mitt Romney and even Lindsey Graham in that category, Time may tell if they ever develop any semblance of a spine. No one can be 100% sure that there will be an impeachment vote, but if this were Texas hold 'em, I'd be all in.
Good to know who we can ask when we need to know what Republican Senators "know deep in their hearts".
SoWal Insider
Until there is a vote in the House, this is just Democrat theater to keep their base engaged, and MSM ratings games. Let's see if Nancy arranges the vote.Fact, Neither house rules or the constitution require a vote to begin impeachment process. If you had “alternative” facts you would have presented them. You should have learned from trump that ranting does not make bullsht true.
Good to know who we can ask when we need to know what Republican Senators "know deep in their hearts".
Beach FanaticAuthor
And now we see....Team Obama started the Ukraine debacle back in 2014. Biden is on his way out.
Then-Vice President Joe Biden upon his arrival for a meeting with Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko Kyiv on Jan. 16, 2017. (GENYA SAVILOV/AFP/Getty Images)
US NEWS
Biden, Obama Officials Stood to Gain From Ukraine Influence
Newly released evidence suggests Ukraine played key role in creating Trump–Russia collusion narrative at behest of Obama officials
BY JEFF CARLSON
April 26, 2019 Updated: June 14, 2019
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Ukraine underwent dramatic changes in 2014, U.S. Vice President Joe Biden played a critical role in the Obama administration’s involvement in the revolution that ousted Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych.
Following the revolution, Biden would use his influence to help force the creation of the troubled National Anti-Corruption Bureau (NABU). Notably, during the 2016 election campaign, information leaked from NABU about Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort that helped to create the false narrative that Trump colluded with Russia to win the election.
Biden also would use the threat of withholding $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees to pressure Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to fire the prosecutor general. At the time, the prosecutor had been investigating Burisma, a Ukrainian natural gas giant that had appointed Biden’s son, Hunter, as a board member.
President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, recently said, “Keep your eye on Ukraine.” In his comments to the Washington Examiner, Giuliani highlighted the “plot to create an investigation of President Trump, based on a false charge of conspiracy with the Russians to affect the 2016 elections.”
Obama Administration’s 2014 Involvement
On or shortly before Feb. 4, 2014, Victoria Nuland, the assistant secretary for European and Eurasian affairs in the Obama State Department, had a conversation with the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, which was intercepted and leaked.
In the call, Nuland and Pyatt appeared to be discussing the ouster of Yanukovych and the installation of opposition leader Arseniy Yatsenyuk as prime minister.
Nuland favored opposition leader Yatsenyuk over his main rivals Vitali Klitschko and Oleh Tyahnybok, telling Pyatt: “I think Yats is the guy who’s got the economic experience, the governing experience. He’s the … what he needs is Klitschko and Tyahnybok on the outside.”
Toward the end of the conversation, then-Vice President Biden was discussed as being willing to help cement the changeover in Ukraine:
Geoffrey Pyatt: “We want to try to get somebody with an international personality to come out here and help to midwife this thing. The other issue is some kind of outreach to Yanukovych, but we probably regroup on that tomorrow as we see how things start to fall into place.”
Victoria Nuland: “So, on that piece Geoff, when I wrote the note [Biden’s national security adviser Jake] Sullivan’s come back to me VFR [direct to me], saying you need Biden, and I said probably tomorrow for an atta-boy and to get the deets [details] to stick. So Biden’s willing.”
Nuland and Pyatt met with Ukrainian opposition leaders Klitschko and Yatsenyuk, along with then-President Yanukovych, just days later on Feb. 7, 2014.
Events then moved swiftly. On Feb. 22, 2014, Yanukovych was removed as president of Ukraine and fled to Russia. On Feb. 27, 2014, Yatsenyuk, the candidate favored by Nuland, was installed as prime minister of Ukraine. Klitschko was left out. Notably, Yatsenyuk would later resign in April 2016 amid corruption accusations.
Rest of the article: Biden, Obama Officials Stood to Gain From Ukraine Influence

SoWal Insider
And now we see....Team Obama started the Ukraine debacle back in 2014. Biden is on his way out.The Epoch Times? Are you friken joking?
Then-Vice President Joe Biden upon his arrival for a meeting with Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko Kyiv on Jan. 16, 2017. (GENYA SAVILOV/AFP/Getty Images)
US NEWS
Biden, Obama Officials Stood to Gain From Ukraine Influence
Newly released evidence suggests Ukraine played key role in creating Trump–Russia collusion narrative at behest of Obama officials
BY JEFF CARLSON
April 26, 2019 Updated: June 14, 2019
Share
Ukraine underwent dramatic changes in 2014, U.S. Vice President Joe Biden played a critical role in the Obama administration’s involvement in the revolution that ousted Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych.
Following the revolution, Biden would use his influence to help force the creation of the troubled National Anti-Corruption Bureau (NABU). Notably, during the 2016 election campaign, information leaked from NABU about Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort that helped to create the false narrative that Trump colluded with Russia to win the election.
Biden also would use the threat of withholding $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees to pressure Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to fire the prosecutor general. At the time, the prosecutor had been investigating Burisma, a Ukrainian natural gas giant that had appointed Biden’s son, Hunter, as a board member.
President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, recently said, “Keep your eye on Ukraine.” In his comments to the Washington Examiner, Giuliani highlighted the “plot to create an investigation of President Trump, based on a false charge of conspiracy with the Russians to affect the 2016 elections.”
Obama Administration’s 2014 Involvement
On or shortly before Feb. 4, 2014, Victoria Nuland, the assistant secretary for European and Eurasian affairs in the Obama State Department, had a conversation with the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, which was intercepted and leaked.
In the call, Nuland and Pyatt appeared to be discussing the ouster of Yanukovych and the installation of opposition leader Arseniy Yatsenyuk as prime minister.
Nuland favored opposition leader Yatsenyuk over his main rivals Vitali Klitschko and Oleh Tyahnybok, telling Pyatt: “I think Yats is the guy who’s got the economic experience, the governing experience. He’s the … what he needs is Klitschko and Tyahnybok on the outside.”
Toward the end of the conversation, then-Vice President Biden was discussed as being willing to help cement the changeover in Ukraine:
Geoffrey Pyatt: “We want to try to get somebody with an international personality to come out here and help to midwife this thing. The other issue is some kind of outreach to Yanukovych, but we probably regroup on that tomorrow as we see how things start to fall into place.”
Victoria Nuland: “So, on that piece Geoff, when I wrote the note [Biden’s national security adviser Jake] Sullivan’s come back to me VFR [direct to me], saying you need Biden, and I said probably tomorrow for an atta-boy and to get the deets [details] to stick. So Biden’s willing.”
Nuland and Pyatt met with Ukrainian opposition leaders Klitschko and Yatsenyuk, along with then-President Yanukovych, just days later on Feb. 7, 2014.
Events then moved swiftly. On Feb. 22, 2014, Yanukovych was removed as president of Ukraine and fled to Russia. On Feb. 27, 2014, Yatsenyuk, the candidate favored by Nuland, was installed as prime minister of Ukraine. Klitschko was left out. Notably, Yatsenyuk would later resign in April 2016 amid corruption accusations.
Rest of the article: Biden, Obama Officials Stood to Gain From Ukraine Influence

This is as bad as your fake meme.

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Beach FanaticAuthor
Until there is a vote in the House, this is just Democrat theater to keep their base engaged, and MSM ratings games. Let's see if Nancy arranges the vote.
Good to know who we can ask when we need to know what Republican Senators "know deep in their hearts".
I'll add Nikki Haley and Ben Sasse to the list of senators.
Beach FanaticAuthor
The Epoch Times? Are you friken joking?
This is as bad as your fake meme.

Beach Fanatic
You’re flailing because your man is a lying scamming crook. Face reality.
Good one Trump Rain Main.
SoWal Insider
Good one Trump Rain Main.Wtf is a rain main?
Beach Fanatic
Fact, Neither house rules or the constitution require a vote to begin impeachment process. If you had “alternative” facts you would have presented them. You should have learned from trump that ranting does not make bullsht true.
Thank for proving my point. Now lets see if stuttering Nancy actually gets to a full House vote. That's when you know its fo realz..
SoWal Insider
Thank for proving my point. Now lets see if stuttering Nancy actually gets to a full House vote. That's when you know its fo realz..

SoWal Insider
Beach Fanatic
Not a trick question. There is buzz that Romney may switch to Democrat and run against Trump for 2020. Do you see Romney as a formidable candidate that could beat Trump in 2020?
Beach FanaticAuthor
Not a trick question. There is buzz that Romney may switch to Democrat and run against Trump for 2020. Do you see Romney as a formidable candidate that could beat Trump in 2020?
No, he would never get the nomination.
SoWal Insider
Not a trick question. There is buzz that Romney may switch to Democrat and run against Trump for 2020. Do you see Romney as a formidable candidate that could beat Trump in 2020?Why would a Democrat consider Romney? It’s a moot point because he is not going to run again.
Beach FanaticAuthor
Damn, just reading where once again the US is going to fck over the Kurds. Shame.Maybe Trump wants to revive the Ottoman Empire.
They must have told trump no on his Biden scam.
Beach Fanatic
I find it interesting that many GOP Senators and Representatives support the President and his current issues with regards to the impeachment process but all of a sudden have a backbone to criticize him on withdrawal from Syria. BTW I did not support the United States intervention into Syria but I am having issues with leaving the Kurds with 2 enemies, Turkey and Syria.
SoWal Insider
Until there is a vote in the House, this is just Democrat theater to keep their base engaged, and MSM ratings games. Let's see if Nancy arranges the vote.Don’t you get it? Pelosi and Schiff are just joking. Now relax and crack the seal on that trump branded vodka you’ve been hoarding.
Good to know who we can ask when we need to know what Republican Senators "know deep in their hearts".
Beach Lover
TRUMP HAS A MANDATE FROM HEAVEN SHUT UP DEMICANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Beach Fanatic
Re: Syria/Turkey
Here's what will happen:
Kurds will align with Syria; Russia will monitor them. Iran will be exited out of Syria and Lebanon. Syrian refugees who are now in Turkey will be able to return home. We, the US, our guys, will be able to come home. Not to mention the millions of dollars not spent in Syria by the US.
Now let's hear from Col. Douglas MacGregor, who has many years experience in that region break it down. Before you all have a mini freak out, it is on Fox with Tucker, but Tucker asks maybe two questions. MacGregor speaks for 90% of the clip.
Here's what will happen:
Kurds will align with Syria; Russia will monitor them. Iran will be exited out of Syria and Lebanon. Syrian refugees who are now in Turkey will be able to return home. We, the US, our guys, will be able to come home. Not to mention the millions of dollars not spent in Syria by the US.
Now let's hear from Col. Douglas MacGregor, who has many years experience in that region break it down. Before you all have a mini freak out, it is on Fox with Tucker, but Tucker asks maybe two questions. MacGregor speaks for 90% of the clip.
Beach FanaticAuthor
Re: Syria/TurkeyYou have to admit, that sounds like yarn board logic.
Here's what will happen:
Kurds will align with Syria; Russia will monitor them. Iran will be exited out of Syria and Lebanon. Syrian refugees who are now in Turkey will be able to return home. We, the US, our guys, will be able to come home. Not to mention the millions of dollars not spent in Syria by the US.
Now let's hear from Col. Douglas MacGregor, who has many years experience in that region break it down. Before you all have a mini freak out, it is on Fox with Tucker, but Tucker asks maybe two questions. MacGregor speaks for 90% of the clip.
SoWal Insider
I have to admire Minneapolis for demanding $500,000 up front for security from prez* Grifter before he is allowed to hold one of his hate fests. All his whining and moaning doesn’t erase the fact he still hasn’t paid El Paso the $569.000 he owes. Not paying bills is just SOP for him.
Beach Fanatic
I going to bet the Supreme Court will be involved in the process of enforcing subpoenas for any House Impeachment Hearings. Wonder how that vote will go. My feeling is it will fall to Chief Justice John Roberts to make a decision.
Impeachment process against Richard Nixon - Wikipedia
Impeachment process against Richard Nixon - Wikipedia
Beach Fanatic
I going to bet the Supreme Court will be involved in the process of enforcing subpoenas for any House Impeachment Hearings. Wonder how that vote will go. My feeling is it will fall to Chief Justice John Roberts to make a decision.
Impeachment process against Richard Nixon - Wikipedia
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