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#3952
A poll? with 13 legal scholars? Sure would like to see that poll and who the scholars were. The very liberal professor was going good until he just had to inject his juvenile "we got Trump this time" comment at the end.

This is a "get on TV" faux "let's get Trump" escapade. Take a vote Nancy...
The last paragraph was mine. So sorry that wasn't clear. What is clear, and you can look this up in the Constitution, is "the House has the sole power to impeach and each House may determine the rules of its proceedings". There is no gotcha going on. The constitution is being used as it should be.

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#3953
Turkey, a NATO member country is now invading Syria, which is backed by Iran and Russia. When Syria, Russia, or Iran retaliate against Turkey, we are committed by treaty to retaliate against those countries that attack a NATO country. When we renege, then NATO as a viable entity ceases to exist. Have a happy day.

Do we know yet that Syria, Russia, or Iran are going to retaliate against Turkey.

Perhaps part of the plan is to shuffle the deck regarding NATO, or as you state "NATO as a viable entity ceases to exist". Maybe NATO will be broken up? The USSR no longer exists, which is why NATO was assembled in the first place. Alliances are shifting, the world order is changing..
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#3954
The last paragraph was mine. So sorry that wasn't clear. What is clear and you can look this up in the Constitution, "the House has the sole power to impeach and each House may determine the rules of its proceedings"

OK. Understood. Let's see how it plays out.
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#3955
Who said it was going to be kumbaya? Who are you saying is our ally? Kurds? Please present any document/treaty showing where America is a Kurdish ally.

There is conflict world wide, "wars and rumors of wars". If said country has not attacked us or one of our allies with whom we have a treaty, we should not be involved.

Turkey, a NATO member country is now invading Syria, which is backed by Iran and Russia. When Syria, Russia, or Iran retaliate against Turkey, we are committed by treaty to retaliate against those countries that attack a NATO country. When we renege, then NATO as a viable entity ceases to exist. Have a happy day.
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#3956
Do we know yet that Syria, Russia, or Iran are going to retaliate against Turkey.

Perhaps part of the plan is to shuffle the deck regarding NATO, or as you state "NATO as a viable entity ceases to exist". Maybe NATO will be broken up? The USSR no longer exists, which is why NATO was assembled in the first place. Alliances are shifting, the world order is changing..
Why wouldn't Syria retaliate? Russia and Iran don't have much to lose. It would be a great way to make the United States look like a pathetic loser. Are you really sure dismissing every ally we have ever had is a good idea? Do you really want to buddy up to Russia, Iran, and Syria, which have brutal totalitarian regimes?

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#3957
OK. Understood. Let's see how it plays out.
Lindsey Graham, Trey Gowdy, and Mike Pence have all been shown on television condemning any entity that challenges subpoenas and the withholding of documents relevant to an investigation. Oh wait, that was about the last investigation against the Clintons. Hypocrite is just too polite a term. Lying pigs sounds better.
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#3958
Are you really sure dismissing every ally we have ever had is a good idea? Do you really want to buddy up to Russia, Iran, and Syria, which have brutal totalitarian regimes?

Of course I am not suggesting we buddy up to Russia, Iran, Syria. I'm not naive to the point that we trust everyone. My concern is a Russian/Chinese alliance who can not only crash the dollar within 48 hours, but are becoming more aligned militarily. To my knowledge, our defenses are still under a directive called PDD 60, signed in 1997 by Clinton (the Clinton signing is irrelevant) whereby we are to ABSORB a nuclear first strike. No more "launch on warning". I would invite anyone to research this and see if any POTUS has rescinded PDD 60. This transcends politics. Info: Clinton Issues New Guidelines on U.S. Nuclear Weapons Doctrine | Arms Control Association

There was a time when we went to, fought against, and our guys died in Vietnam. What did we as a country gain by that? Now we trade with Vietnam.
Japan. We fought bitterly against Japan. They attacked us. We just this week signed a comprehensive trade agreement with Japan.

Point is we should "stay out of entangling alliances" like Jefferson advised.

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#3959
Of course I am not suggesting we buddy up to Russia, Iran, Syria. I'm not naive to the point that we trust everyone. My concern is a Russian/Chinese alliance who can not only crash the dollar within 48 hours, but are becoming more aligned militarily. To my knowledge, our defenses are still under a directive called PDD 60, signed in 1997 by Clinton (the Clinton signing is irrelevant) whereby we are to ABSORB a nuclear first strike. No more "launch on warning". I would invite anyone to research this and see if any POTUS has rescinded PDD 60. This transcends politics.

There was a time when we went to, fought against, and our guys died in Vietnam. What did we as a country gain by that? Now we trade with Vietnam.
Japan. We fought bitterly against Japan. They attacked us. We just this week signed a comprehensive trade agreement with Japan.

Point is we should "stay out of entangling alliances" like Jefferson advised.
We had a situation that was working for a minimum amount of manpower on the ground. Now we don't.
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#3960
Bullshit. Watch what happens and it ain't unicorns and leprechauns. 1000s of years of hate does not have a fairy tale outcome.
Massacre and genocide is in the Turks' blood.

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#3961
It’s a good thing trump doesn’t have any real estate holdings in Turkey because then we would need an investigation to see if he sold out our allies to save his development.
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#3962
It’s a good thing trump doesn’t have any real estate holdings in Turkey because then we would need an investigation to see if he sold out our allies to save his development.
Next thing he's going to want to move the capital to back Istanbul.
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#3963
It’s both sad and interesting to see trump slowly throwing the Kurds under the bus by denigrating them to justify his stupid decision. Just standard operating procedure for him.
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#3965
Nothing like junior high level insults to make you feel good about your elected officials.
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#3967
Fox News Poll - Impeach and Remove - 51%
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#3968
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Need an education Dennyk?
Trump received $10 million for Trump Towers Istanbul and continues to receive royalties.
Turkey has the highest number of foreign ventures in which the Trump family is at least a partial owner, at 119
Turkish officials are the top patrons at Trump properties worldwide.
This is money that directly goes into his pocket. Connecting the dots yet?
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#3969
Fox News Poll - Impeach and Remove - 51%
Tells me any Dem would beat Trump in the general. I'm sure it's 51% and rising.
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#3972
The insanity continues... wonder what Happy has to say about this. Emerald Drifter? Are you still in your little hole?

Again....what business did we have stationing our guys in Syria? Syria, while not an enemy, is not an ally. Kurds, Syrians, Turks, Persians have been over there for centuries. They will work this out themselves.

I'm willing to bet 1000 American wives/mothers are sleeping a little better in the last few days knowing their husband/son are out of Syria.
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#3973
Fox News Poll - Impeach and Remove - 51%

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#3974
"The threat of environmental crisis will be the international disaster key that will unlock the New World Order". - Mikhail Gorbachev (Monetary & Economic Review, 1996, p. 5)
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#3975
Again....what business did we have stationing our guys in Syria? Syria, while not an enemy, is not an ally. Kurds, Syrians, Turks, Persians have been over there for centuries. They will work this out themselves.

I'm willing to bet 1000 American wives/mothers are sleeping a little better in the last few days knowing their husband/son are out of Syria.
You'll be bitching when they start massacring Christians.
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#3976
Lol, for three years you’ve had your head up your ass hoping Prez* Shtstain wasn’t the lying prick they said he was. How is that working for you?

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