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I find this one interesting.
Be sure to read the last paragraph in my post, and everyone needs to read the entire article at the link provided at the end. What's that old line? Follow the money.

As reported by the Associated Press:

"Gore, who won the Nobel Peace Prize last month for his work on climate change, joins Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers as it and dozens of other venture firms expand into so-called ‘clean-tech' investments worldwide.

...Also Monday, Kleiner Perkins partner John Doerr announced he's joining the advisory board of Generation Investment Management(GIM), the $1 billion investment firm that Gore founded with David Blood, who previously managed $325 billion in assets out of Goldman Sachs' London office. Doerr is one of Silicon Valley's most outspoken clean-tech advocates."

From HumanEvents.com:
The Money and Connections Behind Al Gore’s Carbon Crusade
by Deborah Corey Barnes
10/03/2007

...Gore’s Circle of Business

Al Gore is chairman and founder of a private equity firm called Generation Investment Management (GIM). According to Gore, the London-based firm invests money from institutions and wealthy investors in companies that are going green. “Generation Investment Management, purchases -- but isn’t a provider of -- carbon dioxide offsets,” said spokesman Richard Campbell in a March 7 report by CNSNews.

GIM appears to have considerable influence over the major carbon-credit trading firms that currently exist: the Chicago Climate Exchange (CCX) in the U.S. and the Carbon Neutral Company (CNC) in Great Britain. CCX is the only firm in the U.S. that claims to trade carbon credits.

CCX owes its existence in part to the Joyce Foundation, the Chicago-based liberal foundation that provided $347,000 in grant support in 2000 for a preliminary study to test the viability of a market in carbon credits. On the CCX board of directors is the ubiquitous Maurice Strong, a Canadian industrialist and diplomat who, since the 1970s, has helped create an international policy agenda for the environmentalist movement. Strong has described himself as “a socialist in ideology, a capitalist in methodology.” His former job titles include “senior advisor” to UN Secretary General Kofi Annan, “senior advisor” to World Bank President James Wolfensohn and board member of the United Nations Foundation, a creation of Ted Turner. The 78-year-old Strong is very close to Gore.

CCX has about 80 members that are self-confessed emitters of greenhouse gases. They have voluntarily committed themselves to reduce their emissions by the year 2010 to a level 6% below their emissions in 2000. CCX members include Ford Motor Company, Amtrak, DuPont, Dow Corning, American Electric Power, International Paper, Motorola, Waste Management and a smattering of other companies, along with the states of Illinois and New Mexico, seven cities and a number of universities. Presumably the members “purchase” carbon offsets on the CCX trading exchange. This means they make contributions to or investments in groups or firms that provide forms of “alternative,” “renewable” and “clean” energy.

CCX also has “participant members” that develop the carbon-offset projects. They have names like Carbon Farmers and Eco-Nomics Incorporated. Still, other participant member groups facilitate, finance and market carbon-offset projects to “sequester, destroy or displace” greenhouse gases. CCX aspires to be the New York Stock Exchange of carbon-emissions trading.

Along with Gore, the co-founder of GIM is Treasury Secretary and former Goldman Sachs CEO Hank Paulson. Last September, Goldman Sachs bought 10% of CCX shares for $23 million. CCX owns half the ECX, so Goldman Sachs has a stake there as well.

GIM’s “founding partners” are studded with officials from Goldman Sachs. They include David Blood, former CEO of Goldman Sachs Asset Management (GSAM); Mark Ferguson, former co-head of GSAM pan-European research; and Peter Harris, who headed GSAM international operations. Another founding partner is Peter Knight, who is the designated president of GIM. He was Sen. Al Gore’s chief of staff from 1977-1989 and the campaign manager of the 1996 Clinton-Gore re-election campaign.

Like CCX, the ECX has about 80 member companies, including Barclays, BP, Calyon, Endesa, Fortis, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and Shell, and ECX has contracted with the European Union to further develop a futures market in carbon trading. What’s in it for the companies? They will benefit either by investing in carbon credits or by receiving subsidies for doing so.

Front and Center

Clearly, GIM is poised to cash in on carbon trading. The membership of CCX is currently voluntary. But if the day ever comes when federal government regulations require greenhouse-gas emitters -- and that’s almost everyone -- to participate in cap-and-trade, then those who have created a market for the exchange of carbon credits are in a position to control the outcomes. And that moves Al Gore front and center. As a politician, Gore is all for transparency. But as GIM chairman, Gore has not been forthcoming, according to Forbes magazine. Little is known about his firm’s finances, where it gets funding and what projects it supports.

We do know that Goldman Sachs has commissioned the World Resources Institute (affiliated with CCX), Resources for the Future, and the Woods Hole Research Center to research policy options for U.S. regulation of greenhouse gases. In 2006, Goldman Sachs provided research grants in this area totaling $2.3 million. The firm also has committed $1 billion to carbon-assets projects, a fancy term for projects that generate energy from sources other than oil and gas. In October 2006, Morgan Stanley committed to invest $3 billion in carbon-assets projects. Citigroup entered the emissions-trading market in May, and Bank of America got in on the action in June.

Some environmentalist groups disparage Gore and his investment banker friends. They say the Gore group caters to others who share their financial interest in the carbon-exchange concept. The bulletin of the World Rainforest Movement says that members of a United Nations-sponsored group called the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) stand to gain by approving Gore’s carbon-trading enterprise. The IPCC has devised what it says is a scientific measure of the impact of greenhouse gases on global warming. In fact, the critics charge, the IPCC sanctions a mechanism that mainly promotes the sham concept of carbon exchange....

(full and very interesting article)
 
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:yikes:Be careful what you ask for. :shock:

Needless to say this will take a little while to look through. But I am and will.
 
SavvyT, I am going back through old threads where I have been posting stuff. This first repost sets the stage for the intimidation factor pointed at skeptics:

Weather Channel Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying Global Warming Skeptics
January 17, 2007

Related Links:

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.c...2-611ef8047a6b
INHOFE SPEECH ON POLAR BEARS AND GLOBAL WARMING

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.c...5-4B6CD20B983A
UN DOWNGRADES MAN'S IMPACT AND COW 'EMISSIONS' MORE DAMAGING THAN CO2 FROM CARS

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.c...B-3E3B04D8D444
SENATOR INHOFE ANNOUNCES PUBLIC RELEASE OF "SKEPTIC?S GUIDE TO DEBUNKING GLOBAL WARMING"

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.c...8-32A396031D73
INHOFE SAYS NEW UN ASSESSMENT PROVES FEARS OF MANMADE CATASTROPHIC GLOBAL WARMING ARE ?UNSUSTAINABLE?

None of these links work :idontno:.

Although I get your point with this post -- feeling like it is a little off topic.. :confused: Everything that it makes me think of, would only create a new argument and I don't know if I can handle more than one
intellectual conversation at time :blink:.

Still readin' :wave:
 
Another blast from the past, this one offering up speculation as to alternative cause of global warming. You can see the others in The Deniers' series by googling.

Look to Mars for the truth on global warming
The Deniers -- Part IX

Lawrence Solomon
Financial Post

Friday, February 02, 2007

January 26, 2007

Climate change is a much, much bigger issue than the public, politicians, and even the most alarmed environmentalists realize. Global warming extends to Mars, where the polar ice cap is shrinking, where deep gullies in the landscape are now laid bare, and where the climate is the warmest it has been in decades or centuries.

Abdusamatov claims that global warming results not from the emission of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, but from an unusually high level of solar radiation and a lengthy - almost throughout the last century - growth in its intensity."[2]. This view contradicts the scientific consensus on climate change. Abdusamatov also contends that even the natural greenhouse effect does not exist, stating "Ascribing 'greenhouse' effect properties to the Earth's atmosphere is not scientifically substantiated."[3] He further states that "Heated greenhouse gases, which become lighter as a result of expansion, ascend to the atmosphere only to give the absorbed heat away." The latter statement contradicts measurements of the chemical composition of the atmosphere, while the former violates Fourier's law of heat conduction.


I have honestly been poking through some of the articles on Solomon?s website. Some interesting ideas but nothing more for me personally. It is also a little questionable that his site continually asked you to register and pay to view the articles. Always a bit of a red flag when someone is making money off their opinions? Makes me question their fervor, regardless of the subject or their stance.

Solomon is accused on multiple places of not directly interviewing people, relying on old material (out dated articles) and even this case of using a website for quotes without the person's knowledge. Although he does apologize and the person seems to brush it off - it is a little unnerving to think of any journalist doing things like this. Doesn?t help with his creditability.

Well, the moral in this is case is that if you're a science reporter, consider running parts of your articles by your interviewees just to make sure you don't write rubbish, which is a smart thing to do, if you don't want to end up looking stupid. It is of course also a descent thing to do if you respect your readers.

Link for full info: http://www.sciencebits.com/NoInterview

The climate of Mars was first measured by the Viking space probes launched by NASA in 1975, which means that Mr. Solomon, like the rest of us, has no hard evidence as to what the Martian climate was like in past centuries.

He must instead rely on what current observations tell us about the Martian past, and what observed trends and well-understood mechanisms like planetary orbits tell us about the likely Martian future.

There is a slight irony in people rushing to claim that the glacier changes on Mars are a sure sign of global warming, while not being swayed by the much more persuasive analogous phenomena here on Earth.

Link: http://www.raisethehammer.org/index.asp?id=536

The two quotes above are from two sources off the linked page above.

It is late and I think my brain could explode.:yikes: I will read lots more soon -- and in spite of the stuff I'm sending to you know that I really am trying to see your side.
 
SavvyT, it isn't 'my' side, it is simply another voice that is totally ignored. Sorry if some of those links don't work, they are oldies I pulled off an old thread.
 
Are you seriously suggesting that it is not a political issue for liberals? Conservatives (and that term is not to be used interchangebly with Republicans) worry (rightly so) that there may be a rush for change that needlessly obligates OUR money (not government's money) to boondoggles. I don't think any one group advocates increased emissions or pollution. If you doubt that, please see some of Newt Gingrich's comments on global warming.
Conservatives took their eye off the collective boondoggle ball by rubber stamping a trillion dollar Iraq War, and doing nothing about interest on the debt, entitlement transfer payment growth, immigration, and ethics. The Repubs have been poor stewards of our country...quick to fight anyone but negotiate with no one, and for 7 plus years denying we have a potentially catastrophic ecological problem at hand. With Repubs, the priorities are making money regardless of the damage to our own country by labeling the dismantiling of our manufacturing base "free trade". It's breathtakingly embarrassing, and not a record of any major accomplishment. Global Warming is not conducive to being competitive in BushWorld.
 
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