Crybabies

Poppy, In case you missed this thread on Rick Sanchez of CNN calls out Fox ...
http://www.sowal.com/bb/politics-current-events/40470-rick-sanchez-cnn-calls-out-fox.html#post611776

the woodshed

In this & your video Fox is shown to be more about "promotion" than news "coverage" as Sanchez puts it.

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Of course I saw it and thought it was relevant to this thread.

A Pew Research survey done in August 2008 looked at the partisan make up of cable news network viewership.

CNN: 51% Democrats, 18% Republicans, 23% independents

MSNBC: 45% Democrats, 18% Republicans, 27% independents

Fox News: 33% Democrats, 39% Republicans, 22% independents

The most well rounded audience of all the major networks. Plus they beat other networks regularly by 2 to 1 margin, or more, in viewership, host nine of the top ten weekly news shows, and are currently making major gains in the younger more cynical democraphic.

Not sure what you trying to convey here, I watch Fox news to get another perspective. If you add up the percentages you will find 129% of Democrats watch all three networks, but only 75% of Republicans and 72% of independents watch all three. From this survey it appears that the Dems are more willing to listen to other viewpoints.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/20/nyregion/20paterson.html


Politricks as usual?

an unelected, in over his head governor

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/20/nyregion/20paterson.html


Politricks as usual?

I'm not sure what you're trying to convey on this thread, and what this article has to do with anything?

Politricks, yes, but most likely not from the Obama camp. First off, I find the whole article highly suspect, especially since they claim it came from an anonymous source. Why would Obama go through a Queens Congressman to convey a message to Paterson? Secondly, why would Guiliani scare Obama? Guiliani is about as tired as an over ripe banana and has fruit flies circling his rep, and isn't very popular anymore, especially upstate. Paterson doesn't have a chance in hell in winning Governor and it has nothing to do with race or party, it has to do with him being a poor administrator and a ambitious, aggressive Coumo. The politics in NY are mafia style and if you saw some of the antics of the Republicans here, they make Chicago look like Disney.

Besides, I thought you didn't give much credence to the NYT? :roll:

Of course I saw it and thought it was relevant to this thread.

Not sure what you trying to convey here, I watch Fox news to get another perspective. If you add up the percentages you will find 129% of Democrats watch all three networks, but only 75% of Republicans and 72% of independents watch all three. From this survey it appears that the Dems are more willing to listen to other viewpoints.

It's a bunch of flapdoodlin' bullsurly.

Not sure what you trying to convey here, I watch Fox news to get another perspective. If you add up the percentages you will find 129% of Democrats watch all three networks, but only 75% of Republicans and 72% of independents watch all three. From this survey it appears that the Dems are more willing to listen to other viewpoints.

I think the stats were to illustrate the viewership of each network; for example, 51% of CNN's viewers are Democrats, not 51% of all Democrats watch CNN.

Wasn't that visit when he was running for office...when he was out there trying to get votes? He was in his "running" mode.

What about now when there are questions about his czars, his health plan, his lack of support for the CIA, his costly plan to change how our government works, his future taxes on wealthy and middle class his ACORN ties, etc? A gold standard is a standard that says, I will defend my programs and talk about them and take questions from all...not just a few hand picked newscasters. Perhaps if Fox agreed to submit questions before hand, and allowed him to read his prepared answers and do any do-overs ...then maybe just maybe he would agree to be on their cable. It is very obvious that he is is afraid of them, because they ask the hard questions, the questions that many Americans want the answers to...... so in my book he is still in the fraidy cat status. His lack of appearing on Fox...gives me all the answers I need.

I don't dispute that Obama hasn't appeared on Fox in a while. I dispute why. I do not believe it is because he is afraid nor do not believe it is because he or his administration are behaving like children...

I have always watched Fox in addition to other new outlets. Lately I am in utter shock and disbelief at what I am seeing and hearing on the network...

Of course I saw it and thought it was relevant to this thread.





Not sure what you trying to convey here, I watch Fox news to get another perspective. If you add up the percentages you will find 129% of Democrats watch all three networks, but only 75% of Republicans and 72% of independents watch all three. From this survey it appears that the Dems are more willing to listen to other viewpoints.

Has Lucifersam been giving you statistics lessons?

I think the stats were to illustrate the viewership of each network; for example, 51% of CNN's viewers are Democrats, not 51% of all Democrats watch CNN.

Nevertheless, it's clear that Dems are more willing to watch Fox than Republicans are willing to watch the other networks. So maybe one could say that Fox news is more "well rounded" based on variety of viewership, but the same cannot be said of Republicans vs. Democrats based on their viewing habits. The bottom line for me is screw Fox News. There's no benefit in pandering to this exploitative group of mis-reporters. The only reason to watch them is some of the ladies have some really nice tendentious.

Nevertheless, it's clear that Dems are more willing to watch Fox than Republicans are willing to watch the other networks. So maybe one could say that Fox news is more "well rounded" based on variety of viewership, but the same cannot be said of Republicans vs. Democrats based on their viewing habits. The bottom line for me is screw Fox News. There's no benefit in pandering to this exploitative group of mis-reporters. The only reason to watch them is some of the ladies have some really nice tendentious.

:roll: You watch the news to stare at women, ok. I watch to get the news. If you're only reading the NY Times and watching MSNBC, your view of the world is isolated to a particular view point. If that's what you prefer, so be it, but don't denigrate one of the few news outlets out there calling the current administration to the mat. The reporting on Fox, especially in the last few months, has been exceptional. If it bothers you that they question Obama, I get it, switch the channel. The rest of us are trying to educate ourselves as to what's going on in the world.

I'm not sure what you're trying to convey on this thread, and what this article has to do with anything?

Politricks, yes, but most likely not from the Obama camp. First off, I find the whole article highly suspect, especially since they claim it came from an anonymous source. Why would Obama go through a Queens Congressman to convey a message to Paterson? Secondly, why would Guiliani scare Obama? Guiliani is about as tired as an over ripe banana and has fruit flies circling his rep, and isn't very popular anymore, especially upstate. Paterson doesn't have a chance in hell in winning Governor and it has nothing to do with race or party, it has to do with him being a poor administrator and a ambitious, aggressive Coumo. The politics in NY are mafia style and if you saw some of the antics of the Republicans here, they make Chicago look like Disney.

Besides, I thought you didn't give much credence to the NYT? :roll:

This thread took a few turns - I posted this because I was suprised Obama basically threw an african american, blind, governor under the bus because he was concerned Patterson would negatively impact the democrats ability to get votes next year. That seemed pretty unbelievable to me, but apparently, it's true, he really did ask him to step down.

:roll: You watch the news to stare at women, ok. I watch to get the news. If you're only reading the NY Times and watching MSNBC, your view of the world is isolated to a particular view point. If that's what you prefer, so be it, but don't denigrate one of the few news outlets out there calling the current administration to the mat. The reporting on Fox, especially in the last few months, has been exceptional. If it bothers you that they question Obama, I get it, switch the channel. The rest of us are trying to educate ourselves as to what's going on in the world.

No, I don't watch it for that reason. I rarely watch it at all anymore. I'm merely saying that any possible value in Fox news is of a pornographic nature as opposed to journalistic. When I say pornographic I mean quite literally it has no redeeming social value.

This thread took a few turns - I posted this because I was suprised Obama basically threw an african american, blind, governor under the bus because he was concerned Patterson would negatively impact the democrats ability to get votes next year. That seemed pretty unbelievable to me, but apparently, it's true, he really did ask him to step down.

Cuomo has been gunning for Governor since his first breath. Not only that, he is a Democrat, very popular, polls show him beating Paterson by 4 to 1. Guiliani wouldn't stand a chance against Cuomo. If, and that's a big if, there was a conversation between Paterson and Obama, it would more likely be to tell him to stop being a cry baby and playing the race card. Bottom line: Paterson is disliked because of policies, like major cuts to education funding and taxing the bejeebers out of everything. We are waiting for air to be next. :roll:

I think the stats were to illustrate the viewership of each network; for example, 51% of CNN's viewers are Democrats, not 51% of all Democrats watch CNN.

I was having fun with the stats expecting fisher to ask for more variables to be included.

Tendentious views

Nevertheless, it's clear that Dems are more willing to watch Fox than Republicans are willing to watch the other networks. So maybe one could say that Fox news is more "well rounded" based on variety of viewership, but the same cannot be said of Republicans vs. Democrats based on their viewing habits. The bottom line for me is screw Fox News. There's no benefit in pandering to this exploitative group of mis-reporters. The only reason to watch them is some of the ladies have some really nice tendentious.

I for one, when watching the news...want to see it as just that NEWS...if I listened, to ABC, CBS, NBC, or CNN ...am not sure that those reporters are really fair and not bias in their reporting...so many times in watching them it is very obvious that they are "Obama Leaning", they ignore many issues out there...ABC was un-aware of the recent ACORN mess, I consider myself as intelligent, so why would I want to listen to "Democratic Talking Points" coming out of a news show...would rather here both sides and then make my own decision... some folks don't like to be verbally challenged they only want to hear the same views that are the same as their own...perhaps the more they hear it the easier it is to believe...as Lucifer is always talking about drinking those kool-aid drinks....I rather pour my own drink and not be served by others....

LUCIFER'S WORD: The only reason to watch them is some of the ladies have some really nice tendentious (tendentious --marked by a tendency in favor of a particular point of view)

watch pbs news...it's about the most boring, bland, straightforward news out there. Those other news sources are about ratings...nothing else.

I was having fun with the stats expecting fisher to ask for more variables to be included.

Just keep adding variables until he's happy with the results.

I for one, when watching the news...want to see it as just that NEWS...if I listened, to ABC, CBS, NBC, or CNN ...am not sure that those reporters are really fair and not bias in their reporting...so many times in watching them it is very obvious that they are "Obama Leaning", they ignore many issues out there...ABC was un-aware of the recent ACORN mess, I consider myself as intelligent, so why would I want to listen to "Democratic Talking Points" coming out of a news show...would rather here both sides and then make my own decision... some folks don't like to be verbally challenged they only want to hear the same views that are the same as their own...perhaps the more they hear it the easier it is to believe...as Lucifer is always talking about drinking those kool-aid drinks....I rather pour my own drink and not be served by others....

LUCIFER'S WORD: The only reason to watch them is some of the ladies have some really nicetendentious (tendentious --marked by a tendency in favor of a particular point of view)

Do you still think a car makes a good safe deposit box? http://www.sowal.com/bb/all-about-sowal/37452-lock-cars-night.html#post580955

A Pew Research survey done in August 2008 looked at the partisan make up of cable news network viewership.

CNN: 51% Democrats, 18% Republicans, 23% independents

MSNBC: 45% Democrats, 18% Republicans, 27% independents

Fox News: 33% Democrats, 39% Republicans, 22% independents

Fair and Balanced.....

The ratings don't lie...check em out sometime

Lucifer Lucifer, Lucifer

Just keep adding variables until he's happy with the results.



Do you still think a car makes a good safe deposit box? http://www.sowal.com/bb/all-about-sowal/37452-lock-cars-night.html#post580955

My my......yea my coin purse of change was a big lost for me that night...I must be getting to you, for you to go back in time to a totally different posted event to try and "get me"....Gee, Lucifer you can dish it but you can't eat it!!!!!!!!!

Fair and Balanced.....

The ratings don't lie...check em out sometime

Another fantastic skew of data. C'mon. It's a joke, right? You were only kidding, yes?

First of all-
fair and balanced is intended to refer to their content/reporting (not the breakdown of viewership by party)

Second-
Let's assume the numbers are true and a third of Fox viewers are democrats. How many of those left leaning viewers watch Fox just for shock value as I do?

I used to watch to better understand people who do not think like me and to try and make myself balanced because I also watch CNN. Now I watch because it is a guilty pleasure- like watching Jerry Springer. If it was fair and balanced I would probably watch Fox less!

Another fantastic skew of data. C'mon. It's a joke, right? You were only kidding, yes?

First of all-
fair and balanced is intended to refer to their content/reporting (not the breakdown of viewership by party)

Second-
Let's assume the numbers are true and a third of Fox viewers are democrats. How many of those left leaning viewers watch Fox just for shock value as I do?

I used to watch to better understand people who do not think like me and to try and make myself balanced because I also watch CNN. Now I watch because it is a guilty pleasure- like watching Jerry Springer. If it was fair and balanced I would probably watch Fox less!

I used to watch them all the time too for the Jerry Springer effect. I got totally burned out on it where it's not even fun anymore. I don't recall the exact moment, but I think it was when I made myself watch a full half hour of "Red Eye" and then I realized that the whole network is 24 hour "Red Eye".:sick:

Another fantastic skew of data. C'mon. It's a joke, right? You were only kidding, yes?

First of all-
fair and balanced is intended to refer to their content/reporting (not the breakdown of viewership by party)

Second-
Let's assume the numbers are true and a third of Fox viewers are democrats. How many of those left leaning viewers watch Fox just for shock value as I do?

I used to watch to better understand people who do not think like me and to try and make myself balanced because I also watch CNN. Now I watch because it is a guilty pleasure- like watching Jerry Springer. If it was fair and balanced I would probably watch Fox less!

theses are the numbers in the post above....why assume?

Explain why Fox has the 5 or 6 most watched shows in cable news...
it is fact....I'm not assuming anything

theses are the numbers in the post above....why assume?

Explain why Fox has the 5 or 6 most watched shows in cable news...
it is fact....I'm not assuming anything

Blair, I was calling BS on your assertion that these statistics back up how "fair and balanced" Fox is...

I don't dispute that Fox has the 5 or 6 most watched shows on cable if that's what the data says. But this means nothing.

Some other examples of highly rated crap (some of which I like):

Real Housewives of Atlanta
Who Wants to Marry a Millionaire
Howard Stern

Blair, I was calling BS on your assertion that these statistics back up how "fair and balanced" Fox is...

I don't dispute that Fox has the 5 or 6 most watched shows on cable if that's what the data says. But this means nothing.

Some other examples of highly rated crap (some of which I like):

Real Housewives of Atlanta
Who Wants to Marry a Millionaire
Howard Stern

I thought we were talking about news......



Dancing with the Stars...American Idol....the list goes on....
What's that got to do with who's watching Fox News?

I thought we were talking about news......



Dancing with the Stars...American Idol....the list goes on....
What's that got to do with who's watching Fox News?

UGH.

Post 24
Margarita posts stats on Fox viewership

So you respond with-
"Fair and Balanced..... The ratings don't lie...check em out sometime"

MY POINT- ratings and breakdown of viewers by party affiliation don't mean squat with respect to how fair or balanced a programming is...

UGH.

Post 24
Margarita posts stats on Fox viewership

So you respond with-
"Fair and Balanced..... The ratings don't lie...check em out sometime"

MY POINT- ratings and breakdown of viewers by party affiliation don't mean squat with respect to how fair or balanced a programming is...

Not entirely sure if I agree with you Geo. People tend to watch the news programs they trust to do the best job and provide the best coverage. I'm not sure why you would chose a news show otherwise.

Fox News has nine of the top ten most watched news programs. Some of those programs I watch specifically because they offer up the best commentary and analysis without all the yelling and *****ing you see on CNN. Special Report is a good example, you always have smart people from both the left and the right on that show who respect each other's opinions. There's a lot of value in that.

1. "The O'Reilly Factor" (Fox News): 3,498,000 total viewers
2. "Hannity" (Fox News): 2,566,000 total viewers
3. "Glenn Beck" (Fox News): 2,230,000 total viewers
4. "On the Record with Greta van Susteren" (Fox News): 2,173,000 total viewers
5. "Special Report with Bret Baier" (Fox News): 2,047,000 total viewers
6. "The Fox Report with Shepard Smith" (Fox News): 1,915,000 total viewers
7. "The O'Reilly Factor" (Fox News, repeat): 1,723,000 total viewers
8. "Your World with Neil Cavuto" (Fox News): 1,520,000 total viewers
9. "America's Newsroom" (Fox News): 1,505,000 total viewers
10. "Studio B with Shepard Smith" (Fox News): 1,314,000 total viewers
11. "Happening Now" (Fox News): 1,247,000 total viewers
12. "Countdown with Keith Olbermann" (MSNBC): 1,237,000 total viewers
13. "The Live Desk" (Fox News): 1,210,000 total viewers
14. "Larry King Live" (CNN): 1,093,000 total viewers
15. "Anderson Cooper 360" (CNN): 1,058,000 total viewers
16. "The Rachel Maddow Show" (MSNBC): 1,042,000 total viewers
17. "Situation Room" (CNN): 898,000 total viewers
18. "Lou Dobbs Tonight" (CNN): 826,000 total viewers
19. "Campbell Brown: No Bias, No Bull" (CNN): 786,000 total viewers
20. "CNN Newsroom" (CNN): 725,000 total viewers