Jimmy Carter

Where is scooterbug? Haven't seen her lately.

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carry on

Her quote--"I took note of their style of dress and became uncomfortable".

Seems to me it had to do with the way they were dressed (or tatooed in my example), not with the fact that they were black. I bet she wouldn't have batted an eye if the two black guys, or two white guys, or two asians, or ... had been dressed in casual business attire or shorts and tshirts with flip flops or suits or other "normal looking" attire.

What I am talking about (and it appears that Kitty was feeling this too) is the fact that it has nothing to do with racism when your antennae goes up when someone that dresses like a badass makes you uncomfortable be they black, white, red, yellow or brown.

If you dress the part (or tattoo the part or groom the part or all of the above), you should expect some people to be uncomfortable. Doesn't have a thing to do with being racist.

We need to stop stepping on eggshells and be honest regardless of the color of someones skin.

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valid point!

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I am probably younger than most of you on this thread, so no disrespect intended. I will also say that most of you are also smarter than I am; that can probably be disputed, but I will save that for another time. I am 25, and have only had the priveledge to vote in 2 elections. I have noticed over my few years that when it comes to politics, no matter which party is sitting in the WH, all that happens is a bunch of finger pointing from the other side.

I remember the right ripping into President Clinton, and remember what happened to President Bush, but I have to say that none of that produced anything. When are we, as Americans(hope that isn't painting with too broad a brush), actually going to start doing something to fix what we see as wrong with Government.

I read an earlier post about someone's family being racist, I'm not picking on you, but doesn't that fall on you to help remedy. Who else better to address your/my family's racism than you/me. It starts with the decisions that we make everyday. It's a lot easier to come here with our secret identities and mouth off about what we "believe", but when it comes to real life situations we tend to shut up and look the other way.

Again, I hope noone is upset about this rant, but lets become proactive, and start doing things instead of just talking about them.

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I'm going to take a tad bit of offense here, because you do not know what I do to help remedy and educate. right? I most definitely have not been one to look the other way with my family. I challenge you, who does not know me, to show me where I have. Of course I could do better but actually do much more than I see many others around me do.

Please rethink your statement before labeling. With that said, welcome (and I sincerely mean that - unless you are just joining to be another flamer)

But, come on, you don't know me.

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Rita, I apologize. Offending you was not my intent. You are correct, I do not know you, and was just using your example, being that you posted it, to make a point. I know people don't like being clumped together, but, IMO, the people that post in this section tend to just mouth off to each other and try to piss each other off. That was the point I was trying to make. Not that you don't stand up to your family. Again, I apologize, and I am not here to just be a "flamer"(not quite sure what this is). I am concerned about the direction my country is going, and don't think that the status quo is working. I don't care what party affiliation someone has; it's their views and actions I'm concerned about.

For future reference my "We" refers to Republicans!

Please throw in Independants as well.

look at his past. he can't run from it. it's a lack of respect born of his prejudice. i voted for obama, and i'm republican, and the racist anger is easy to see.

Please keep telling all of us how "Republican" you are when every one of your posts reeks of not just Liberal but the far left. What spin you are capable of providing!!!

Rita, I apologize. Offending you was not my intent. You are correct, I do not know you, and was just using your example, being that you posted it, to make a point. I know people don't like being clumped together, but, IMO, the people that post in this section tend to just mouth off to each other and try to piss each other off. That was the point I was trying to make. Not that you don't stand up to your family. Again, I apologize, and I am not here to just be a "flamer"(not quite sure what this is). I am concerned about the direction my country is going, and don't think that the status quo is working. I don't care what party affiliation someone has; it's their views and actions I'm concerned about.

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TY - but I truly do not respond here to try to "piss people off". In fact that is when I get my hackles up the most - which I realize plays right into their hands but ....... You may consider me a "pisser offer" Ha! ...but I don't think of myself that way - I guess there is that old saying "the faults you see in other people are likely faults you have yourself." hmmm sorry if I come across that way.
Anyway, I agree with your concern for the direction of our country and believe the extreme right & left talking heads play a role in the vitriol that goes around.

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What a rude, but not unexpected question, which only deserves a smarta$$ response. (actually, it doesn't deserve one at all, but I am waiting for my coffee to brew- it's Fair Trade BTW.)

Yes FT, Bob is my only Republican friend. I only hang around with treehuggers, Obamalovers, atheists, Muslims, elitists, and ACORN employees.

I knew it! Glad to see you finally admitted it.

Sorry Sandy Pants. I have no respect for our present President!

Nor I for you. You are obviously not very well educated nor have you been raised by parents who taught you to respect people who have made great contributions to Americans and people of the world. What have you done that gives you the feeling that you are superior to a great humanitarian like Jimmy Carter? Won the Nobel lately? Started an organization that has fed and clothed thousands? Traveled to world centers of human right abuses to see that their elections are fair. What have you done to make this a better world Scooter? Can't WAIT to hear your reply.

Nor I for you. You are obviously not very well educated nor have you been raised by parents who taught you to respect people who have made great contributions to Americans and people of the world. What have you done that gives you the feeling that you are superior to a great humanitarian like Jimmy Carter? Won the Nobel lately? Started an organization that has fed and clothed thousands? Traveled to world centers of human right abuses to see that their elections are fair. What have you done to make this a better world Scooter? Can't WAIT to hear your reply.

Ok, this might be a trap, but I have to ask.

What great contributions have our current President made?

Ok, this might be a trap, but I have to ask.

What great contributions have our current President made?

I think whaddyasay was talking about Carter.

I think whaddyasay was talking about Carter.

But the quote she referenced was about President Obama, I think?

Ok, this might be a trap, but I have to ask.

What great contributions have our current President made?

At one point he was a leadership trainer for ACORN

I think I get it now. After really reading this thread, am understanding posters a little better. Thanks, Y'all!

Nor I for you. You are obviously not very well educated nor have you been raised by parents who taught you to respect people who have made great contributions to Americans and people of the world. What have you done that gives you the feeling that you are superior to a great humanitarian like Jimmy Carter? Won the Nobel lately? Started an organization that has fed and clothed thousands? Traveled to world centers of human right abuses to see that their elections are fair. What have you done to make this a better world Scooter? Can't WAIT to hear your reply.

Okay. He has donated time to some worthy causes. Clap, clap.

However, that does not mean you need to respect a man that is obviously off his rocker. His comments on Israel, Hamas and now the racist thing show just how out of touch this octegenarian is. He was a worthless president and he is worthless in his commentary on the world stage. His time is long passed. He should stick to swinging a hammer and keep his trap shut.

Carter is right to defend Obama. After all, it looks like Obama is his best hope to get rid of the "Worst President ever" moniker.

Whatdyyasay - I cannot respond to such an ignorant remark!!!!!!!! Now let's talk about Bill Cosby!!!!

I think I get it now. After really reading this thread, am understanding posters a little better. Thanks, Y'all!

You mean you didn't get them before?

Thankfully you seem to be one of the posters with some balance and happiness in your life.

I spent the last 8 years pissed at the Bush Administration, and all that did was upset my liver.

If you are outraged do something about it. Throwing a blanket of hate over the current administration only harms yourself and your ability to enjoy life.

Yes.

Huge numbers of people thought Nixon was an idiot, same for Ford, same for Carter, same for Reagan, same for Bush one, same for Clinton and same for Bush two. Now, lots of people think Obama is an idiot. Par for the course. Not racist in the least bit. But, the R word will be thrown at lots of us for saying he is an idiot.

I believe, but cannot confirm, that Bush two (and Clinton and maybe other presidents) were booed when they addressed congress. I see booing the president in the same light as calling him a liar. He did lie. Should he have been called a liar or booed in the halls of congress. No. Did it happen? Yes. Did he apologize? Yes. Did Obama accept the apology? Yes. Did the Prez call him racist? No.


Whether or not Wilson is racist or not cannot be determined by us on this forum. It is between him and his Maker.

Let it go libs. It's over.

you have some very good points. but I think people (white) are denying the racial/prejudice issue regarding the country's first African American president. (people have always denied racism.. even during the worst of times in our history)... there is a minority far right/extreme segment right now who absolutely cannot and will not accept Obama as their president. The kind of behavior I've seen and read about is truly vitriolic to the extreme. If this group causes a big discussion on racism in America, then perhaps it is what is really needed. Are we really past racism in America? I personally do not think so.

If parents refuse to let their children watch the President of the United States give a speech about the importance of school and hard work - at school - well, I have to believe that racism is involved at least to an extent. maybe it is at the root of why white parents across the country reacted in such a way. maybe not.

Maybe Wilson is not racist... maybe he was motivated to act in such a way for some other reason. maybe he's just an ahole. we can't really know what motivated him to do such a thing. we all agree that what he did was unacceptable. We can only have our own opinions as to why he would do such a thing.

I believe Wilson's disrespectful outburst, and parents keeping their children home from watching the President make a speech at school, and a segment of extremists who wholeheartedly reject Obama as President - well I just suspect something other than merely political disagreement. and although I believe racism may play a part of what is going on in our society today, there are many other reasons people behave as they do.

people are complicated. none of us can truly say what motivates others. we can only offer our own thoughts.
we all have our different ways of viewing these things. all we can do is share our opinions, listen with respect and learn something from others that may help us have better understanding.

you have some valid points. but I think people (white) are denying the racial/prejudice issue regarding the country's first African American president. (people have always denied racism.. even during the worst of times in our history)... there is a minority far right/extreme segment right now who absolutely cannot and will not accept Obama as their president. The kind of behavior I've seen and read about is truly vitriolic to the extreme. If this group causes a big discussion on racism in America, then perhaps it is what is really needed. Are we really past racism in America? I personally do not think so. (whenever you hear someone start a sentence with "I'm not prejudice, but..." you can just about bet that person is prejudice as hail!).

If parents aren't going to let their children watch the President of the United States give a speech about the importance of school and hard work - at school - well, I have to believe that racism is involved at least to an extent. maybe it is at the root of why white parents across the country reacted in such a way. maybe not.

Maybe Wilson is not racist... maybe he was motivated to act in such a way for some other reason. maybe he's just an ahole. we can't really know what motivated him to do such a thing. we all agree that what he did was unacceptable. We can only have our own opinions as to why he would do such a thing.

I believe Wilson's disrespectful outburst, and white parents keeping their children home from watching the President make a speech at school, and a segment of extremists who uncategorically reject Obama as President - well I just suspect something other than merely political disagreement. and although I do believe racism may play a part of what is going on in our society today, there are many other reasons people behave as they do.

people are complicated. none of us can truly say what motivates others. we can only offer our own thoughts.
we all have our different ways of viewing these things. all we can do is share our opinions, listen with respect and learn something from others that may help us have better understanding.

Tootsie, I tend to agree with your post above. Here is another take on it...can't say this makes me feel any better than the idea of continued racism, though:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/18/opinion/18brooks.html?_r=1

"What we?re seeing is the latest iteration of that populist tendency and the militant progressive reaction to it. We now have a populist news media that exaggerates the importance of the Van Jones and Acorn stories to prove the elites are decadent and un-American, and we have a progressive news media that exaggerates stories like the Joe Wilson shout and the opposition to the Obama schools speech to show that small-town folks are dumb wackos.

?One could argue that this country is on the verge of a crisis of legitimacy,? the economic blogger Arnold Kling writes. ?The progressive elite is starting to dismiss rural white America as illegitimate, and vice versa.?

It?s not race. It?s another type of conflict, equally deep and old. "

Tootsie, I tend to agree with your post above. Here is another take on it...can't say this makes me feel any better than the idea of continued racism, though:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/18/opinion/18brooks.html?_r=1

"What we’re seeing is the latest iteration of that populist tendency and the militant progressive reaction to it. We now have a populist news media that exaggerates the importance of the Van Jones and Acorn stories to prove the elites are decadent and un-American, and we have a progressive news media that exaggerates stories like the Joe Wilson shout and the opposition to the Obama schools speech to show that small-town folks are dumb wackos.

“One could argue that this country is on the verge of a crisis of legitimacy,” the economic blogger Arnold Kling writes. “The progressive elite is starting to dismiss rural white America as illegitimate, and vice versa.”

It’s not race. It’s another type of conflict, equally deep and old. "

its very interesting stuff, and very valid, imo. that is why I can't say that racism is the root of the problem, or even the primary problem for these groups. there are so many factors. and what about all the other really wonderfully positive segments all across the country who are eager for President Obama to bring it on? we need to hear a lot more from them through the news media..

I've heard similar reports to above. unrelated, but another report I heard was talking about news sources such as Fox News. Some of the Mid to Left leaning folks may view Fox News as entertaining, but not a serious news source due to the kind of programming offered (sensationalism, extreme views, etc)... but Fox is giving the people (certain groups anyway) what they want - its how they think, and what they enjoy. People will watch. Fox is really quite brilliant in catering to a segment that will not only relate to and appreciate the programming but remain totally loyal forever. many will tune in occasionally or regularly just because they have to see what they perceive to be horrible programming which is totally entertaining!

many media sources are delivering news in a sensationalist manner (think Geraldo)- some more than others. Americans just love reality TV. I guess real stories have to be highly exaggerated in order to be interesting enough to keep us engaged.

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David Brooks is nearly always insightful. Certainly a take on this that I hadn't thought about.


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I knew it! Glad to see you finally admitted it.

My wise, very well educated, and Republican father was also pretty good at sarcasm.

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David Brooks is nearly always insightful. Certainly a take on this that I hadn't thought about.


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Yeah, I have been following his OpEds pretty regularly and I am impressed with the approach he has taken lately.

As he says, if one looks(reads) back in history to the populist movement (Wm Jennings Bryan, etc.) there were some pretty awful times.

I think a big difference these days is the 24-7 news and all the other means of communication. Everyone has instant everything, and many react without ever considering, much less checking, the source.

Many look at Fox News, et al, as entertainment and assume that everyone looks at it that way...when the fact is too many look at it as gospel...this is
what I think the Speaker was getting at in her remarks yesterday--even if one chooses to consider the source and do not think anything she says is important or accurate--I do think that the message she tried to convey is an important one: most of us are well balanced and able to filter most of the hateful stuff--some are not well balanced and often tend to believe everything from someone they consider to be "an authority figure". Those of us who have lived through some horrible events, know that it only takes one unbalanced person to cause a tragedy...

I don't know what to call all of this hate filled talk, and I really don't care what it's called, I just wish it would stop!