A twelve-month long drop in world temperatures erases global warming
http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Worldwide+Global+Cooling/article10866.htm
Gilles Langis, a senior forecaster with the Canadian Ice Service in Ottawa, says the Arctic winter has been so severe the ice has not only recovered, it is actually 10 to 20 cm thicker in many places than at this time last year.
http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/story.html?id=332289
Well, maybe not such good news in some circles:roll:
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116needs to get out more
You can post links, but don't be so stupid as to think that we aren't massively (and detrimentally) affecting both the planet, our environment, and our weather. One year's good crop o' sea ice doesn't change that.
But it's about me, now, today. What happens in the future doesn't matter. Stewardship? Don't be silly. Gore's a fraud, and my car has a full tank of cheap gas. What's the problem?
SkunkyAuthor
Yes, the sea ice is better than predicted - because nature reacted in a drastically different manner than we have logged in recorded history. I got frostbite in '79 (baby's first Christmas) and this Sunday - doesn't mean that no changes have occurred.
You can post links, but don't be so stupid as to think that we aren't massively (and detrimentally) affecting both the planet, our environment, and our weather. One year's good crop o' sea ice doesn't change that.
But it's about me, now, today. What happens in the future doesn't matter. Stewardship? Don't be silly. Gore's a fraud, and my car has a full tank of cheap gas. What's the problem?
As the Okaloosa-Walton 2008 Recycle Democrat of the Year, I am all about keeping our environment squeeky clean and have the 'hardware':roll: to back-up my concerns.
However, there is an increasing amount of data that contradicts the man made global warming theory, and to ignore this and spend tons o' money (or increase deficit spending if you prefer) to fix a problem that may not exist is folly.
Scooter-one good year of sea ice may not prove anything, but neither does the active 2005 hurricane season suggest man (or woman) is heating this planet as those who agree with you often assert.
SWGB
As the Okaloosa-Walton 2008 Recycle Democrat of the Year, I am all about keeping our environment squeeky clean and have the 'hardware':roll: to back-up my concerns.
However, there is an increasing amount of data that contradicts the man made global warming theory, and to ignore this and spend tons o' money (or increase deficit spending if you prefer) to fix a problem that may not exist is folly.
Scooter-one good year of sea ice may not prove anything, but neither does the active 2005 hurricane season suggest man (or woman) is heating this planet as those who agree with you often assert.
Say what you want, but most of these reports are showing time spans of 20-30 years. Climate wise that's a fraction of a blip on a time line. What's wrong with erring on the side of caution? If a bunch of sea ice melts at once and ocean levels rise do you really want to replay NOLA on your roof?
SkunkyAuthor
Say what you want, but most of these reports are showing time spans of 20-30 years. Climate wise that's a fraction of a blip on a time line. What's wrong with erring on the side of caution? If a bunch of sea ice melts at once and ocean levels rise do you really want to replay NOLA on your roof?
EXACTLY! The global warming alarmists don't seem to understand that the climate does change, and did so long before Noah failed to load the dinosaurs and unicorns on the ark:roll:
SWGB
EXACTLY! The global warming alarmists don't seem to understand that the climate does change, and did so long before Noah failed to load the dinosaurs and unicorns on the ark:roll:
The alarmists are up in arms because the current swings and drastic changes haven't been shown in history. Check out the artic research labs at FSU. ;-)
Beach Fanatic
But it's about me, now, today. What happens in the future doesn't matter. Stewardship? Don't be silly. Gore's a fraud, and my car has a full tank of cheap gas. What's the problem?
The problem is that the polar bear's habitat is being drastically impacted by man's selfish and greedy invention of the internal combustion engine. It's not silly to wish to turn back the tide on this dark period of our history by leveling substantial taxes on gasoline and/or milage so that the automobile, airplane, motorcycle, ship, boat, jet ski, scooter, et al are rendered economically unaffordable to the masses and we can return to horse drawn buggies and dirt roads and the schooner. Oh the nostalgia of it all and good stewardship to boot. Seeing as future travel is likely to be long and boring, can I power my sound system off the horse's flatulence?
needs to get out more
...meanwhile, my car is covered with pollen from the trees that think it's springtime in January.
SWGB
...meanwhile, my car is covered with pollen from the trees that think it's springtime in January.
Anybody want to come over and pick oranges off the neighbors tree or cut some Azalea's?
Beach Fanatic
Anybody want to come over and pick oranges off the neighbors tree or cut some Azalea's?
Only if you will bring me an umbrella and handwarmers? It's in the 30's here and we are having sleet and rain.
Moderator
Here comes some more...
Beyond the weekend, waves of arctic air will plunge over the eastern two-thirds of the nation. Blustery winds will usher the bitterly cold air southward, resulting in even colder and potentially dangerous temperatures.
http://www.accuweather.com/news-story.asp?partner=accuweather&traveler=1&article=5
Global warming? Oh, right...They call it climate change, now...
Beyond the weekend, waves of arctic air will plunge over the eastern two-thirds of the nation. Blustery winds will usher the bitterly cold air southward, resulting in even colder and potentially dangerous temperatures.
http://www.accuweather.com/news-story.asp?partner=accuweather&traveler=1&article=5
Global warming? Oh, right...They call it climate change, now...
Meow
Dear Al,
Here in Dallas, Texas, we have gone from freezing rain on Monday to pushing 80 degrees here today. WTF is happening?
Your cynical pal,
Miss Kitty
Here in Dallas, Texas, we have gone from freezing rain on Monday to pushing 80 degrees here today. WTF is happening?
Your cynical pal,
Miss Kitty
SoWal Expert
Dear Al,
Here in Dallas, Texas, we have gone from freezing rain on Monday to pushing 80 degrees here today. WTF is happening?
Your cynical pal,
Miss Kitty
Dear Al,
Please CC me when you answer MK.
Signed,
Frozen and Sweating
Meow
Dear Al,
Please CC me when you answer MK.
Signed,
Frozen and Sweating
sonofab!tch!

It's like that old saying...running hot and cold.

I am a believer in climate change now.
SoWal Expert
sonofab!tch!
It's like that old saying...running hot and cold.
I am a believer in climate change now.
I've got climate change going on right here--in my own body--and then the weather has to get involved. Sonofab!tch is right.

SoWal Insider
I've got climate change going on right here--in my own body--and then the weather has to get involved. Sonofab!tch is right.

Thought y'all might enjoy some pictures of global warming. It's been pretty, like a sparkly fairyland, but the trees have taken a beating. Lost lots of huge branches, too. I have some serious pick up sticks to do this Spring.
SoWal Expert
Absolutely beautiful, Mangy. One of those would make a great Christmas card for next year. 

SoWal Insider
Absolutely beautiful, Mangy. One of those would make a great Christmas card for next year.
I just posted the pretty pictures. I have mayhem pictures. The birch trees literally fell over from the ice and they were touching the ground in the roads from both sides. The first day, some had to be cut so people could pass to go to work. Then as the day progressed, it warmed up some and it melted enough and work crews came and tried to tie them back. If you look closely in one of the pictures above with the pine trees in the distance, they are almost twice the size. They just keeled over from the weight. They will bounce back eventually. I hope. Nothing worse than losing a beautiful pine from weather. I have a huge cherry tree (about 60 ft. tall, that fell over. :shock:
SoWal Expert
I'm sure. I remember some booger ice storms here too. Lots of lost trees, etc. It's a shame, but it sure is pretty.
SkunkyAuthor
Mango-Your pics make me wonder how the earliest colonists and natives survived such harsh cold. Amazing how hardy they were!
Meow
Mango-Your pics make me wonder how the earliest colonists and natives survived such harsh cold. Amazing how hardy they were!
That reminds me of what wusses we are today.
Mango...ice is so beautiful, yet so dangerous. Sorta' like me.

SkunkyAuthor
Al Gore is starting to tone it down!
Gore Pulls Slide of Disaster Trends - Dot Earth Blog - NYTimes.com

Gore Pulls Slide of Disaster Trends - Dot Earth Blog - NYTimes.com
Moderator
Al Gore is starting to tone it down!
Gore Pulls Slide of Disaster Trends - Dot Earth Blog - NYTimes.com
This was after it was discovered that a satellite that measures Artic ice had grossly underestimated the amount of ice due to what was called "sensor drift".

Beach Lover
Here comes some more...
Beyond the weekend, waves of arctic air will plunge over the eastern two-thirds of the nation. Blustery winds will usher the bitterly cold air southward, resulting in even colder and potentially dangerous temperatures.
AccuWeather.com - Weather News Headlines - Weather News
Global warming? Oh, right...They call it climate change, now...
Did SUVs cause the last warm up after the ice age.
Do they contribute to the ongoing continental shifts?
Could continental drift be the real cause of ice caps size change
How much gas is emitted by volcanoes, and is it measured against mans emissions, and if so, whats the ratio
Could the earths orbit getting closer to the sun every year be the main contributor to climate change (used to be called mother nature did she get fired or did she quit)
If the seas have been rising for the last 10 years by 2ft how come Key West is still above water
(highest point 14 ft)
Moderator
I think there should be a ban on distilled spirits (wink wink). I watched a show last night that showed a distillery making whiskey. They said that either 8 or 80 tons of CO2 is produced during the fermentation cycle, yet, I have never heard a global warming myrmidon call for limits on emissions from distilleries...
Hmmmm...

Hmmmm...

Beach Fanatic
The world has never faced such a predictably massive threat to food production as that posed by the melting mountain glaciers of Asia. China and India are the world?s leading producers of both wheat and rice?humanity?s food staples. China?s wheat harvest is nearly double that of the United States, which ranks third after India. With rice, these two countries are far and away the leading producers, together accounting for over half of the world harvest.
But the US is by far the largest wheat exporter. We continue to feed the world. China is a large importer of wheat. Lots of hungry mouthes to feed.
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