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Bobby J

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[quote="emeraldcoastdav, post: 317647"]Who do I have to call to get a jetty built at Western Lakes' outlet and then a boat access and trailer parking? 
 
Share the pros and cons all.[/quote]
 
 
That would sure create a nice surf break but it will never happen.  The coastal dune lakes are too rare.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="emeraldcoastdav">Who do I have to call to get a jetty built at Western Lakes&#039; outlet and then a boat access and trailer parking? 
 
Share the pros and cons all.</blockquote> 
 
That would sure create a nice surf break but it will never happen. The coastal dune lakes are too rare.

John R

needs to get out more

con:  jetty's actually promote erosion of sand at and around the jetty.  the sand is washed away.

con:  jetty&#039;s actually promote erosion of sand at and around the jetty.  the sand is washed away.

Smiling JOe

SoWal Expert

pro -- maybe the water would be deep enough that the kids would no longer catch and torture the crabs.

Pro: You gotta love what that rock does!  Good for surf!

NotDeadYet

Not legal under the present county codes which do not allow any armoring at the dune lake outlets. Those outlets are meant to open and close and meander - a permanent structure such as you are proposing would completely alter the lake ecology. I would suggest you educate yourself about coastal dune lakes and also the effects of jetties on beach erosion.
This is a terrible idea. :bang:

Not legal under the present county codes which do not allow any armoring at the dune lake outlets. Those outlets are meant to open and close and meander - a permanent structure such as you are proposing would completely alter the lake ecology. I would suggest you educate yourself about coastal dune lakes and also the effects of jetties on beach erosion. 
This is a terrible idea. :bang:

Scooter

We all know it is a crazy idea and bad for the lake but one can sure dream... I am still in favor of building up the second sand bar like a reef.  This would be great for surfing, fishing and help deflect wave energy off the beach!  Of course,  I am a little tainted and bias!

Bear

Beach Comber

I think a stone reef would be great all around.It would slow the storm surge create a great fishing environment and one heck of a wave. And would be cheaper than rebuilding the beaches every time we have storm. I think.:clap:

emeraldcoastdav

Beach Lover

[quote="Scooter, post: 317747"]Are you CRAZY!!!!!!![/QUOTE]

Was this once "crazy" at all the other jetty locations around fl?
I know these jetties are "man maintained" and likely would have opened and closed through the years, as storms have passed, if they were not. Why is it possible in all the other locations in fl.
What would the benefits to our community be, including the tremendous recreational perks Bobby J. mentioned? 
Would it, or the serious mention of it, spark another real estate boom?

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Scooter">Are you CRAZY!!!!!!!</blockquote> 
Was this once &quot;crazy&quot; at all the other jetty locations around fl? 
I know these jetties are &quot;man maintained&quot; and likely would have opened and closed through the years, as storms have passed, if they were not. Why is it possible in all the other locations in fl. 
What would the benefits to our community be, including the tremendous recreational perks Bobby J. mentioned? 
Would it, or the serious mention of it, spark another real estate boom?

[quote="emeraldcoastdav, post: 317800"]
Would it, or the serious mention of it, spark another real estate boom?[/quote]I have this image of surfers not being big into buying real estate. I have always thought of them as beach hippies, wanting to live out of a van or their Honda Element, parked somewhere near the beach. However, since FL is not like Cali, you cannot legally camp in your car on the roadside. ;-)

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="emeraldcoastdav">Would it, or the serious mention of it, spark another real estate boom?</blockquote>I have this image of surfers not being big into buying real estate. I have always thought of them as beach hippies, wanting to live out of a van or their Honda Element, parked somewhere near the beach. However, since FL is not like Cali, you cannot legally camp in your car on the roadside. ;-)

[quote="NotDeadYet, post: 317691"]Not legal under the present county codes which do not allow any armoring at the dune lake outlets. Those outlets are meant to open and close and meander - a permanent structure such as you are proposing would completely alter the lake ecology. I would suggest you educate yourself about coastal dune lakes and also the effects of jetties on beach erosion.
This is a terrible idea. :bang:[/QUOTE]

County codes are based on popular opinion! Popular opinion changes.
List some cons.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="NotDeadYet">Not legal under the present county codes which do not allow any armoring at the dune lake outlets. Those outlets are meant to open and close and meander - a permanent structure such as you are proposing would completely alter the lake ecology. I would suggest you educate yourself about coastal dune lakes and also the effects of jetties on beach erosion. 
This is a terrible idea. :bang:</blockquote> 
County codes are based on popular opinion! Popular opinion changes. 
List some cons.

[quote="Smiling JOe, post: 317802"]I have this image of surfers not being big into buying real estate. I have always thought of them as beach hippies, wanting to live out of a van or their Honda Element, parked somewhere near the beach. However, since FL is not like Cali, you cannot legally camp in your car on the roadside. ;-)[/QUOTE]

I am sensitive to the plight of the surfer. I was thinking bigger though. 
Baby Boomers, boat owners, that want to live on deep water access.
How long would the ditch be to connect the gulf to the bay near 283 and Bay drive?

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Smiling JOe">I have this image of surfers not being big into buying real estate. I have always thought of them as beach hippies, wanting to live out of a van or their Honda Element, parked somewhere near the beach. However, since FL is not like Cali, you cannot legally camp in your car on the roadside. ;-)</blockquote> 
I am sensitive to the plight of the surfer. I was thinking bigger though. 
Baby Boomers, boat owners, that want to live on deep water access. 
How long would the ditch be to connect the gulf to the bay near 283 and Bay drive?

[quote]Was this once "crazy" at all the other jetty locations around fl?
I know these jetties are "man maintained" and likely would have opened and closed through the years, as storms have passed, if they were not. Why is it possible in all the other locations in fl.
[/quote]
 
There are no coastal dune lakes anywhere else in Florida. A coastal dune lake opens and closes in a complicated sequence of events that does not take place in any of the jetty locations you have in mind. Coastal dune lakes are globally rare and classified as imperiled. This is not popular opinion, it is science, which is often not popular. There are jetties at Destin Harbor - the bay is not a coastal dune lake. Likewise the jetties in Panama City at St Andrews Bay.
 
You seriously want to dig a ditch to connect the bay to the gulf? :eek:
 
I have no opinion on an offshore reef, which is not what you are proposing.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="">Was this once &quot;crazy&quot; at all the other jetty locations around fl? 
I know these jetties are &quot;man maintained&quot; and likely would have opened and closed through the years, as storms have passed, if they were not. Why is it possible in all the other locations in fl.</blockquote> 
There are no coastal dune lakes anywhere else in Florida. A coastal dune lake opens and closes in a complicated sequence of events that does not take place in any of the jetty locations you have in mind. Coastal dune lakes are globally rare and classified as imperiled. This is not popular opinion, it is science, which is often not popular. There are jetties at Destin Harbor - the bay is not a coastal dune lake. Likewise the jetties in Panama City at St Andrews Bay. 
 
You seriously want to dig a ditch to connect the bay to the gulf? 😱 
 
I have no opinion on an offshore reef, which is not what you are proposing.

[quote="emeraldcoastdav, post: 317807"]I am sensitive to the plight of the surfer. I was thinking bigger though. 
Baby Boomers, boat owners, that want to live on deep water access.
How long would the ditch be to connect the gulf to the bay near 283 and Bay drive?[/quote]Why screw up one of the Lakes to do it? Rather than digging a 3.5 mile ditch along Bay Drive, why not start around Christian Ministries International, and go straight through? That would be a much shorter connection. Maybe St Joe will dig one through at WaterSound.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="emeraldcoastdav">I am sensitive to the plight of the surfer. I was thinking bigger though. 
Baby Boomers, boat owners, that want to live on deep water access. 
How long would the ditch be to connect the gulf to the bay near 283 and Bay drive?</blockquote>Why screw up one of the Lakes to do it? Rather than digging a 3.5 mile ditch along Bay Drive, why not start around Christian Ministries International, and go straight through? That would be a much shorter connection. Maybe St Joe will dig one through at WaterSound.

Jdarg

[quote="emeraldcoastdav, post: 317804"]County codes are based on popular opinion! Popular opinion changes.
List some[B] cons.[/B][/quote]

Good grief- I can't even believe you had to ask for cons.

Parking.

Changing a nice little beach town into more of a traffic nightmare than it already is on Friday and Saturday nights in the summer.

Screwing around with mother nature so you have easier boat access or better surfing is pretty selfish.  Why don't you work with what you have, or move somewhere that better fits your needs instead of artificially change the landscape to suit you?

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="emeraldcoastdav">County codes are based on popular opinion! Popular opinion changes. 
List some cons.</blockquote> 
Good grief- I can&#039;t even believe you had to ask for cons. 
 
Parking. 
 
Changing a nice little beach town into more of a traffic nightmare than it already is on Friday and Saturday nights in the summer. 
 
Screwing around with mother nature so you have easier boat access or better surfing is pretty selfish. Why don&#039;t you work with what you have, or move somewhere that better fits your needs instead of artificially change the landscape to suit you?

[quote="jdarg, post: 317859"]Good grief- I can't even believe you had to ask for cons.

Parking.

Changing a nice little beach town into more of a traffic nightmare than it already is on Friday and Saturday nights in the summer.

Screwing around with mother nature so you have easier boat access or better surfing is pretty selfish.  Why don't you work with what you have, or move somewhere that better fits your needs instead of artificially change the landscape to suit you?[/QUOTE]

Man has been "screwing around with mother nature" and "artificially changing the landscape" to suit us since the beginning. Of man that is. A perfect example is the house you live in. What was there years ago? 
List the pros and cons of the jetty/cut.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="jdarg">Good grief- I can&#039;t even believe you had to ask for cons. 
 
Parking. 
 
Changing a nice little beach town into more of a traffic nightmare than it already is on Friday and Saturday nights in the summer. 
 
Screwing around with mother nature so you have easier boat access or better surfing is pretty selfish. Why don&#039;t you work with what you have, or move somewhere that better fits your needs instead of artificially change the landscape to suit you?</blockquote> 
Man has been &quot;screwing around with mother nature&quot; and &quot;artificially changing the landscape&quot; to suit us since the beginning. Of man that is. A perfect example is the house you live in. What was there years ago? 
List the pros and cons of the jetty/cut.

What was the $829,000.00 proposed, or dedicated to western lake to be used for in the [U]Coastal Dune Lakes & Renourishment[U] letter @ beachtobay.org/html/lakes__renourishment.htm

What was the $829,000.00 proposed, or dedicated to western lake to be used for in the Coastal Dune Lakes &amp; Renourishment letter @ beachtobay.org/html/lakes__renourishment.htm

GoodWitch58

why don't you  go with Blue Mt Vagrant and :bang:live somewhere else full time....

why don&#039;t you  go with Blue Mt Vagrant and :bang:live somewhere else full time....

SHELLY

SoWal Insider

[quote="emeraldcoastdav, post: 317800"][B][SIZE="2"]Would it, or the serious mention of it, spark another real estate boom?[/SIZE][/B][/QUOTE]

:cool:

Yeah...that [B]and[/B] the Fed lowering the fed target rate to 1%; having appraisers manufacture comps that enable them to "hit the numbers;" mortgage brokers using the "fog a mirror--get a loan" process to approve loans; investment banks and bond rating agencies getting into cahoots to package and sell MBS to clueless investors; and BUNCH of gullible investulators who believe that the "serious mention" of a inlet will double the value of their condo-box before it is even built.

Otherwise...no.

.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="emeraldcoastdav">Would it, or the serious mention of it, spark another real estate boom?</blockquote> 
:cool: 
 
Yeah...that and the Fed lowering the fed target rate to 1%; having appraisers manufacture comps that enable them to &quot;hit the numbers;&quot; mortgage brokers using the &quot;fog a mirror--get a loan&quot; process to approve loans; investment banks and bond rating agencies getting into cahoots to package and sell MBS to clueless investors; and BUNCH of gullible investulators who believe that the &quot;serious mention&quot; of a inlet will double the value of their condo-box before it is even built. 
 
Otherwise...no. 
 
.

Who do I have to call to get a jetty built at Western Lakes' outlet and then a boat access and trailer parking? 

Share the pros and cons all.

Who do I have to call to get a jetty built at Western Lakes&#039; outlet and then a boat access and trailer parking? 
 
Share the pros and cons all.

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