Obama 08

What a Robin Hood, that John Edwards...litigating himself into the top tax bracket. He makes me sick. What a perverse tortaholic, suing the crap out of easy targets, banking megabucks and spreading a few crumbs to his clients. The last thing this country needs is a lawyer of his ilk steering the ship.

Thank you Skunky - you're my hero!!!!!!

What a Robin Hood, that John Edwards...litigating himself into the top tax bracket. He makes me sick. What a perverse tortaholic, suing the crap out of easy targets, banking megabucks and spreading a few crumbs to his clients. The last thing this country needs is a lawyer of his ilk steering the ship.

Like Clinton, Right??? Terrible president, bad lawyer, bad. If only he could pass off a worthless energy stock{Harken], make 850k, then invest 800k in the Texas Rangers plus be given the managing general partner's job, a job given because of daddy. Now that's my kind of President. Break off worthless oil stock in others, and ultimately net 15 million. Uhmerika, land of the oil rig!!!!!! Where the self-made are scrutinized, and the priviledged are given the good 'ole boy free pass!

How does one break off worthless stocks to others? Can I pass off some bad stock to these folks? Is that any thing like the Whitewater land deal in Arkansas? Clinton a bad president? Many think so, many do not. The male Clinton thought 20 year old interns were on the menu at the White House , sex in the office with the help was not a problem and that lying under oath was completely acceptable. For any of these transgressions you would have been fired by my corporation within 24 hours. Now many think we should look the other way. Others do not. Now the wife, who could not manage her own husband is asking us to vote for her to manage the country.

But all that aside, as a former Democrat, I am open to vote for any candidate with a legitimate track record from either party. Like all of you I have certain issues that are of paramount importance to me.

National defense, homeland security, Taxes, Taxes Taxes, the phase out of Affirmative Action, etc

Your list will be different because after all this is America.

How does one break off worthless stocks to others? Can I pass off some bad stock to these folks? Is that any thing like the Whitewater land deal in Arkansas? Clinton a bad president? Many think so, many do not. The male Clinton thought 20 year old interns were on the menu at the White House , sex in the office with the help was not a problem and that lying under oath was completely acceptable. For any of these transgressions you would have been fired by my corporation within 24 hours. Now many think we should look the other way. Others do not. Now the wife, who could not manage her own husband is asking us to vote for her to manage the country.

But all that aside, as a former Democrat, I am open to vote for any candidate with a legitimate track record from either party. Like all of you I have certain issues that are of paramount importance to me.

National defense, homeland security, Taxes, Taxes Taxes, the phase out of Affirmative Action, etc

Your list will be different because after all this is America.

I was referring to GW's Harken Energy background. Read up and be prepared to laugh. You or I would have been prosecuted and jailed. Of course, you or I, would have to have served our country in Vietnam. I say all this having voted for the man twice. What an error! Looking back on the Philanderer-in-chief[Clinton], I would now choose competence over morals for the person residing in the White House. I was disgusted by William Jefferson, but our country was better managed during his tenure. Can anyone even begin to debate this?

And here I thought the Republican Congress in power during that time may have had something to do with this.....(managing the country)

Clinton should have been removed from office immediately for what he did and the Democratic party should have initiated this. There are too many politicians in both parties who get away with things the average person would be put in jail for. In my opinion the ends do not justify the means when it comes to basic morality. But that's me. I respect your point of view, but we just have to disagree on that one...

And here I thought the Republican Congress in power during that time may have had something to do with this.....(managing the country)

Clinton should have been removed from office immediately for what he did and the Democratic party should have initiated this. There are too many politicians in both parties who get away with things the average person would be put in jail for. In my opinion the ends do not justify the means when it comes to basic morality. But that's me. I respect your point of view, but we just have to disagree on that one...

No, I agree with you. Clinton acted like the folks from which he came. My point was, agree or disagree about his affiliations, he was a good manager. The current decider is listening to no one, even his own party, and the results are not good. When we had Clinton we had opposing viewpoints, and compromises were forged. We've had 6 years of total Repub control of Federal government, and the legislative record is abysmal. Someone post on this board the gold standard legislation passed by the GOP since 2000. Does not exist. Like the decider says "you're either for us or against us". We need checks and balances, because that's the genius of our form of government. Arguing issues makes us strong, because the executive branch is less likely to act unilaterally.

No, I agree with you. Clinton acted like the folks from which he came. My point was, agree or disagree about his affiliations, he was a good manager. The current decider is listening to no one, even his own party, and the results are not good. When we had Clinton we had opposing viewpoints, and compromises were forged. We've had 6 years of total Repub control of Federal government, and the legislative record is abysmal. Someone post on this board the gold standard legislation passed by the GOP since 2000. Does not exist. Like the decider says "you're either for us or against us". We need checks and balances, because that's the genius of our form of government. Arguing issues makes us strong, because the executive branch is less likely to act unilaterally.

:clap_1: ... I couldn't agree more! Well put.

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I'm with you Bob ~ I've had enough of the "decider". :clap_1: 2009 is not coming quickly enough.

We can let our blood boil regarding Bill or W all we want, but neither is running for prez in '08. Edwards is, therefore, he is a fair and worthwhile object of scrutiny.

So what's the list of Edwards' transgressions. He's liberal. He's a lawyer. He apologized for his vote on Iraq?

So what's the list of Edwards' transgressions. He's liberal. He's a lawyer. He apologized for his vote on Iraq?

He says we must raise taxes!

(and he is probably right)

He says we must raise taxes!

(and he is probably right)

We have to pay for all this cut and spend that the conservatives have been doing. Better for us to pay as we go than to pass it onto our children and grandchildren

What ever happened to the old fashion fiscal conservatives?

We have to pay for all this cut and spend that the conservatives have been doing. Better for us to pay as we go than to pass it onto our children and grandchildren

What ever happened to the old fashion fiscal conservatives?

Good question. Bush has been spending way too much money to be considered conservative.

I'd take higher taxes if they fix AMT, and reduce spending. The deficits are making the dollar worthless in the marketplace. I believe 9 percent of our budget services the debt. Maybe we could balance the budget by taking 6 months of Iraq's oil production, and the entire '06 opium harvest in Afghanistan. Give one million each, and an apology for each family losing a son or daughter in Iraq. Sure thing.

On second thought, maybe Edwards would be worth half a damn if he could sue the Islamofascists into oblivion. Hmmmmmm...:roll:

John Edwards if very pro-union. Does anyone care to share their thoughts on the benifits and detriments of unions in the US?

I will not get started on that one for fear of getting my car blown up...and I was a union member in the 70s and the son of a union organizer.

John Edwards if very pro-union. Does anyone care to share their thoughts on the benifits and detriments of unions in the US?

If you read much about the history of the industrial revolution you see why unions came into existence. If there was a time and a place and that was it, big business run a muck destroying people and families for the good of the company. Watch John Sayles Matewan to get a good view of the circumstances the gave birth to unions. An excellent film.

Unions lost popularity with the common people, in my opinion, in the 60?s and 70?s when you had people sweeping the floor at Ford making six figures and complaining about the benefits, i.e. big unions were then running a muck. There were still reasons that people needed unions, primarily the promotion of safety and a safe work environment. Two things in which business had relatively little interest. (I have seen great strides in a safe work place in the past 30 years that I have been around construction and heavy industry.)

Now is an interesting time for unions I think mainly because big business has again run a muck. The worker chained to the coal mines of the 1920?s by the company housing, pay and store, has given rise to the office worker chained to the cubical by corporate and individual greed, as well as health benefits (a.k.a insurance, which can be otherwise unattainable). There are other forces working on the equation too. Company loyalty to the worker has gone, as has the worker?s loyalty to the company. Both severed sometime ago in the era of the corporate raiders. When pension funds were the prize and workers were robbed of their savings as the companies were bought, torn apart and sold. At the same time, unions were essentially doing the same to their members.

You also have to look at the individual and corporate greed factor. American?s enjoy more disposable income than anytime in the history of the nation, however, they feel less incline to pay the fee of being an American, i.e. taxes, preferring instead to pass those cost onto their children, or to buy extra houses, cars, toys etc. I guess in a way people have lost their true loyalty to their country, much like they have to their companies. And, Politian?s have lost their loyalty to the people. Raiding the coffers to support special interest of all kinds. Our grandparents would have never done that. Harry S. Truman, famous for saying ?the buck stops here?, did what he thought was the best for the country, not what he thought was best for his political career, or, god forbid, what was the best sound bite at the moment.

Off my soapbox and back to unions. I will say that in my experience that if I want an industrial facility constructed properly, I would take a union tradesman over a non-union just about any day. Whether, the guy sweeping the floor at the Ford plant should be making more than my doctor, is another story.

How is that, Smiling Joe?
Or did I ramble too much?

Bdarg you need to post more.

If you read much about the history of the industrial revolution you see why unions came into existence. If there was a time and a place and that was it, big business run a muck destroying people and families for the good of the company. Watch John Sayles Matewan to get a good view of the circumstances the gave birth to unions. An excellent film.

Unions lost popularity with the common people, in my opinion, in the 60?s and 70?s when you had people sweeping the floor at Ford making six figures and complaining about the benefits, i.e. big unions were then running a muck. There were still reasons that people needed unions, primarily the promotion of safety and a safe work environment. Two things in which business had relatively little interest. (I have seen great strides in a safe work place in the past 30 years that I have been around construction and heavy industry.)

Now is an interesting time for unions I think mainly because big business has again run a muck. The worker chained to the coal mines of the 1920?s by the company housing, pay and store, has given rise to the office worker chained to the cubical by corporate and individual greed, as well as health benefits (a.k.a insurance, which can be otherwise unattainable). There are other forces working on the equation too. Company loyalty to the worker has gone, as has the worker?s loyalty to the company. Both severed sometime ago in the era of the corporate raiders. When pension funds were the prize and workers were robbed of their savings as the companies were bought, torn apart and sold. At the same time, unions were essentially doing the same to their members.

You also have to look at the individual and corporate greed factor. American?s enjoy more disposable income than anytime in the history of the nation, however, they feel less incline to pay the fee of being an American, i.e. taxes, preferring instead to pass those cost onto their children, or to buy extra houses, cars, toys etc. I guess in a way people have lost their true loyalty to their country, much like they have to their companies. And, Politian?s have lost their loyalty to the people. Raiding the coffers to support special interest of all kinds. Our grandparents would have never done that. Harry S. Truman, famous for saying ?the buck stops here?, did what he thought was the best for the country, not what he thought was best for his political career, or, god forbid, what was the best sound bite at the moment.

Off my soapbox and back to unions. I will say that in my experience that if I want an industrial facility constructed properly, I would take a union tradesman over a non-union just about any day. Whether, the guy sweeping the floor at the Ford plant should be making more than my doctor, is another story.

How is that, Smiling Joe?
Or did I ramble too much?

Very nice post Bdarg.

Yeah, what he said. :clap_1:

bdarg - you can get on your soap box anytime!! Interesting thoughts.



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bdarg - you can get on your soap box anytime!! Interesting thoughts.



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Bdarg is our resident wise poster. :clap_1:

But, Rita...why do I have gutter thoughts when looking at that soapbox smilie?

bdarg - you can get on your soap box anytime!! Interesting thoughts.



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Nice soapbox- you are totally the Queen of Smilies.

Bdarg needs to SoWal more-he seems to like it. Last night I fell asleep early and well, while the cat's away.....

John Edwards if very pro-union. Does anyone care to share their thoughts on the benifits and detriments of unions in the US?

When you move manufacturing overseas, you don't much need unions. I believe the longshoremen in this country have the strongest union.