Pattern In Sheriff Candidates

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  1. RebelRider

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    Well he is a little arrogant - but he has definitely gotten people to think and research the candidates.

    Quit frankly I am enjoying this unfold.
     
  2. Citizen

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    Coyote,
    You are obviously an Adkinson supporter. There is no doubt in my mind about that. Possibly even someone in his camp, who knows. I would like to know your qualifications to judge someone in law enforcement. You know, your experience in the law enforcement, past leadership experience that would give you the ability to judge a true leader, administrative experience that would give you the insight needed to tell if someone has the ability to properly run an administration, budgetary experience, etc. Who are you to speak out on the behalf of ruffly 30,000 + voters? Did I miss some election where the citizens of Walton County gave you the right to judge for them who should be sheriff? I would think that we could find out more from the candidates if they weren't so busy trying to overcome the rumors that people like you start. Things like what they actually hope to accomplish in the positions they seek. Maybe you should just ask questions and then make a decision for yourself. Politics in this county gets very dirty because of people like you. I sincerely hope that people like Rick Brown and Jimmy Macon can over look ignorant individuals whose only interest in this world is to tear honest people apart. These two candidates have the years of experience and I believe that they truly want to be the Sheriff for the greater good of the county. I was an Imfeld supporter until someone black balled him. I must now choose someone else and I am leaning towards these two. Atleast they are honest with the people and have the background and experience to be a good Sheriff. Even though I don't agree with him, I believe approximately 30 years ago the people voted someone who by your standards was unqualified to be Sheriff and he held office for 20 years. The last thing I want is to have another McMillan in office again but he was proof in the pudding that you do not have to be the perfect package in order to get elected in this county.
     
  3. wrobert

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    I certainly hope that you realize this is just a discussion forum and that the posts of WileCoyote matter only to those still working at Acme.

    But you do bring up an interesting point, that I have asked with only the Watcher responding in the past.

    What are the qualifications that you are using to pick your candidate for Sheriff? Is it just longevity in the job? This is going to be a very tough decision without some very clear standards. I have met and personally know most of the candidates. I have spoken to most. I truly believe, with all my heart, that they truly believe that they would be the best person for the job. But I am still trying to see how that is articulated to the public in a manner to set them apart from each other.
     
  4. WileCoyote

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    Acme is a great company ! Believe me - at one time I was the President. Hired a guy to develop a spokesperson for the company and he came up with "Wile Coyote". I now write under that "ghost name" out of respect for his 30 years of service to the company.

    He was a fine individual that actually believed that he could catch the road runner - "everyone encouraged him" - everyone told him he was "the man for the job" - "everone encouraged him to run".

    I have reviewed all of the mini-movies he starred in tonight and one things struck me right off the bat - "That son-of-a-gun never caught the Road Runner".

    He never won !

    I have never started a rumor about any of these fine people.

    I have no candidate at this time. I am simply inviting people to tell me why they are supporting a candidate or which way they are leaning.

    I am going through a process of eliminating those that are not qualified when no one gives me reason to rethink my own analysis of their qualifications to straighten out this mess.

    Remember that "Life Is Like A box of Choclolates".


    Remember "Wise" supporters - 12:00 Noon Saturday.
     
  5. Badges?

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    A sheriff is just a face. In most well organized and respected sheriff's offices, the sheriff is no more important than the team picked to actually run the orgaization. The most important aspect of the sheriff's job is to surround himself with the best organizer, the best budget manager, the best public relations consultant, etc. Very little of that has to do with law enforcement, but a successful sheriff will need a well respected, highly educated and professional trained "chief deputy." and command staff. I would like to hear more about the entire team. I think that would speak volumes about what you could expect from a future sheriff. Just think of the grief that could have been saved in previous elections. A sheriff sets the tone for the administration but rarely has the ability to cover the many aspects required to be appreciated and respected.
     
  6. Andy A

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    I guess I'm going to have to change my signature line. It was meant to be humorous but some on this board have decided to take it seriously, and when they have no other comeback, they quote it back to me as being the essence of my attitude. I am very opinionated, but I am also teachable and my mind can, on rare occasions, be changed. (the last part about "on rare occasions" is also meant to be humorous.) Back to the subject at hand. If Bill Imfeld changes his mind and files to run, he has my vote. Is that succinct enough for you, WC.
     
  7. WileCoyote

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    I would also be considered opinionated by many.:floor:

    I feel that I should not rush to a conclusion on a vote for a position that has the impact on the citizens of Walton County such as this race. I learned many years ago that making such a decision in a vacuum can be disasterous. I research and then try to elicit other view points to either confirm or deny my initial thought process.

    Bill Imfield was a very qualified candidate. He would be "In the Pool", but our current Sheriff chose to involke a never before used law to remove him from the race. Bill was faced with a decision that was difficult, but one that he faced straight on and decided that his financial well being was key to his current situation. I have talked to him 2 times trying to get him to get back in the race when he could. He tells me that is not going to happen.

    I am now moving own trying to find someone to replace Ralphie.

    I have been looking for a dialogue to find a candidate. Been accused of many things, but I'm a tough old bird. I can stand the criticism -deserved or undeserved.

    I am not impressed with "Campaign Bio's". They are mere marketing tools that are written to place that candidate in the best light possible.

    I vet candidates. I seek not only how long they have served, but what their duties and responsibilities were, how they were perceived by the general public.

    First and foremost I seek what they plan to do if chosen and even more specifically how they plan to accomplish it, what the associated cost would be, and a time table for implementation. When you look closely most of the current crop of candidates just want to be Sheriff - see that the field is really weak and diluted by many just seeking to win the "Election Jackpot".

    I just simply throw them "Out of the Pool" when noone gives me reason to reconsider. It's really my list and thought that some others might be going through a similar "vetting" process.

    I finish what I start.
     
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  8. ShallowsNole

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    Badges, :welcome: and you speak the truth.
     
  9. Andy A

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    WC, I now understand where you were coming from. I, too, would like to see the present sheriff replaced. I am sorry about the "arrogant" remark but it did seem you came across high-handed if one did not know what your purpose was and simple minded me hadn't figured it out yet. I needed some help and you supplied it. BTW, I'm a pretty tough old bird myself.
     
  10. WileCoyote

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    Dennis Wise Becomes the third (3) person officially thrown out of the available pool of "Candidates" by the Coyote.

    Out of 1319 people that have viewed this thread not 1 person came forward with any type of endorsement for Dennis Wise not a single reason to keep him in the pool. No one came forward with qualifications. There is obviously no interest in this individual serving as our next Sheriff.

    Mr. Wise !

    "You Are Not Qualified"
    "You Can Not Win"
    "No - I Will Not Support You"

    I hereby issue the Orange Card on your candidacy.

    View attachment 8304

    I now invite all of the Josh Sconiers supporters to step forward !

    You have until 12 noon Wednesday!
     
  11. WileCoyote

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    Josh withdrew !

    I was really going to have a hard time throwing him out of the pool because I really like him. He realized that the objective is to win and not divide the vote. He talked to his closet friends and realized that it would be best to get out of the race.

    Now on with the quest for a candidate. Next up is Jimmy Macon.

    Jimmy you have until Saturday at noon to come forward with your platform and invite your supporters to show the Coyote that you can win.

    Been thinking about letting Tom Cooper back into the pool. Have developed a very specific list of questions concerning his "Bio" as published on this thread. Mr. Cooper I invite you to PM me directly. I will give you the list of questions to answer and I will post you answers. If they are truthfully answered with verifiable supporting documents or sources I will "Put You Back In The Pool" for consideration.

    Are you game - are you a "Contender" or a "Pretender".
     
  12. WileCoyote

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    Well Jimmy Macon is now officially "Out of the Pool". No one came forward with any discussion concerning his qualifications, or defended his electability.

    Tom Cooper did not contact the "Coyote" by PM requesting reconsideration. It is strange that he stormed through this thread and then has not been heard from. Makes me renew my curiosity concerning his filing for Sheriff.

    It is interesting that Idlewild has issued a prediction of the current state of the campaign and places Cornman,Adkinson and Cooper tied at 25%, Johnson at 10% and the others at marginal percentages.

    This is how I currently see the viability of the candidates:

    Adkinson, Johnson & Cornman - Top Tier - This would make for an interesting race

    Cooper, Wise -2nd tier - should withdraw

    All others - 3rd tier - Should have never gotten in the race.

    Many believe Johnson is "toast" - he's not - he is the incumbent - many people that are unaware of all that a candidate brings to the table simply vote for whomever is currently in Office.

    This process has gone on long enough.

    I have decided to put the remaining two "real candidates" on stage at the same time.

    Accordingly they need the most time to allow people to step forward and save their candidate from exiting the pool.

    Mr. Adkinson and Mr. Cornman have until Friday night April 4th to send your legions of supporters forward with your qualifications, merits, and platform.

    The clock is ticking !
     
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  13. idlewind

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    Wile,

    Sometimes I think we are on the same page, and then you issue diatribes like this one. :bang: Why is Cooper bound to PM you? :confused: It is obvious that you have a problem, probably personal with him so why should he seek your favor when it is so obviously not forthcoming? I have tried to understand where you are coming from, and agree to a large extent, but this entire process is arrogance run amok.:D For what it is worth, I endorse BOTH Adkinson and Cornman. From what I have read about both men, they have education, practical experience and management experience to make outstanding sheriffs. While I have not decided whom I will vote for, either would do.:yikes: I think we who wish for change should educate ourselves and then seek to inform others of our findings. Who knows, one of the 3rd tier guys may actually be the best choice.:funn:

    You seem to have the same opinion of the race as I, but think that ralphie is ahead of Cooper at this time. Can you give us any basis for that opinion, because I find no one who will tell me they would consider voting for ralphie regardless of who the other candidate is.:eek:
     
  14. WileCoyote

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    Nothing arrogant about it. Straight forward is the word I would use. I truly believe that a person listens to a small group of people and decides to run.

    Most people when contacted are very polite and encourage when they are really saying "I choose not to be honest with you". That is exactly the process that Josh Sconiers went through. Read his post and you will find that some of his thought process in deciding to withdraw was in part based on this thread. It caused him to redefine his real goal - get Ralph out ! Could he have won - maybe, but I doubt it. I respect him for being honest with himself. He has class and for that I give him credit.

    I have made no bones about my goal - If you are unclear let me restate it " I want Ralph Johnson out of Office". I truly believe that wanna be candidates can prevet this from happening. I try to seek input from anyone to reinforce my notion about each candidates chance of helping me reach my goal.

    I threw "Ralphie" out to get this thread started. I have also used the thread to hopefully cause some of the wanna be's to get out or at least convince me that they could win.

    I really do not want Ralph out of the Race ! I want him humiliated when he dares to run again. A seven man race will not provide the appropriate level of humiliation.

    Whichever candidates stand a chance of doing that - will provide the "Voters" of Walton County a clear choice.

    Cornman, Adkinson, and Johnson is the race I want to see. Two qualified, vetted candidates against the big mistake made years ago.

    Ralph Johnson has proven to the voters of Walton County he is not qualified, he is arrogant enough to run again.

    Cooper is a "pretender". He is not capable of meeting the desired objective - he will not pass 'GO'. I simply gave him a chance to be reconsidered when some stated that I had acted to hastily when I threw him out of the pool the same day he entered. He chose not to "engage" in the process - that was his right.

    Quote : Many believe Johnson is "toast" - he's not - he is the incumbent - many people that are unaware of all that a candidate brings to the table simply vote for whomever is currently in Office.
     
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    Wile, a much more reasoned approach. You scare me when you start screaming like you've drank the koolaid or snorted the white horse. I agree 100% with ralphie going to the retirement village and 100% with humiliation as his just punishment for what he has inflicted on our citizens. I think a 3 man race is optimum and a 4 man is ok. I also think Cooper is great for the race because he can hit ralphie where he can least stand it- Santa Rosa Beach and the South Walton area. If humiliation is the goal this is a critical factor. I am not sure which candidate is strong in the north area but I assume it would not be Wise, Brown or Macon. It would be nice for someone up there to let us know for sure. The only thing I strongly disagree about is ralphie being "toast." He probably could not win a race against Josf Stalin or Fidel Castro.
     
  16. csbeard

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    There is a pattern - it is a fact that Sheriff Johnson has openly stated to his deputies and other colleagues that there will be no retaliation if they run against him. It is my understanding that Tom Cooper was not running and then met with RJ (Hitler) and Stan Sunday and coincidentally has now thrown his name in the hat.

    It is unfortunate that so many contenders are running because it will increase RJ (Hitler?s) chance of getting in - I will personally state that just because you have worked for or had dealings with (RJ) Hitler does not mean you would not be an excellent candidate. I can tell you first hand that RJ runs his ship based solely on fear - you are in or you are fired. He is absolutely pathetic and should have never been elected to anything in Walton County. He has single handedly ruined our EOC, Jail, SO, and working relationship with other branches of first responders.

    Honestly, there are several great candidates within the SO that cannot run for fear of losing their retirement.

    I am not going to stand on a soap box; however, if we look back to the issues between Chief Adkinson and RJ(Hitler) you will see that the Chief is the only individual that has had the brass to stand up to (RJ) Hitler. I recall the Sheriff looking for ways to have the Chief ousted ?

    I, more or less, know every candidate and we should insist that the candidates with the least amount of support kindly exit the race to help restore public safety in Walton County. I can tell you some crazy stories about the lack of response the citizens? of Walton County get for their tax dollars ? especially, South Walton residents.

    Leaders are born to lead ? Ralph Johnson is unable to lead himself, not to mention, one of the largest and most important departments in Walton County.
     
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    Excellent post. A few observations- I understand that Stan Sunday hates ralphie with a passion, therefore this meeting between him, ralphie and cooper sounds inplausable. Can you give more details or how you know this? This would be crucial information to help us make our minds up.
    Please do not encourage others to run! I am sure there are several men/women who are qualified but I think we have enough. I believe everyone has a right to run, but we do not have to tell them to do it. :yikes:
     
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    "Met with ralphie and threw his hat in the ring" (loosely quoted)....sounds like hitler propaganda.......you are more harmful to the sheriff race than the multiple candidates!:bang:
     
  19. WileCoyote

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    I believe there were two meetings and that is what he implied (read the post carefully)

    I know that Tom met with Ralph. I have heard that Tom met with Sunday seeking his support. This was after Sunday(former Capt. WCSO) received notice that the "Hatch Act" applied to him. He cannot run without resigning.

    I find it 100% plausable that Tom met with Sunday. He would simply be seeking support from someone that does not like Ralph.
     
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    It has finally dawned on me. I have come to believe that WileCoyote is Deputy Dawg.
     

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