PJ's Coffee & Planet Smoothie - both locations closed permanently

I heard someone say the one in Watercolor closed as well? I drove by today around 4pm and it was closed. What up?

the seasonality of 30-a makes owning many businesses brutal .

If I were going to develop the property, I'd look around to surrounding areas and see which businesses are thriving and pick a type of business that Sowal lacks. Actually a Thai restaurant might be quite good. FWB has a LOT of Thai restaurants due to the large Thai population there. (We like Daddy's in ME, Thai House off Racetrack, Mahkong Thai downtown...but there's also Thai Hut, Ractrack Cafe Thai, Orchid House, Thai Kitchen, Thai Saree, Bankok House, and many others that I've seen but cannot name.) There are also a few thriving Thai markets. I think those markets are missing an opportunity of their own, so here's an idea...

Combo Thai restaurant, and Thai market that offers cooking classes and demonstrations on how to use the Thai ingredients. If you've been into any of the markets, it's very intimidating. Through trial and error (and one very kind woman who doesn't mind helping me when she's there ), I've been able to scratch the surface of Thai cooking and ingredients, but I'd buy a lot more ingredients if I knew what to do with them.

We've seen an influx of Mexican markets in Sowal, and Vietnamese markets in Pensacola. What about an International market bringing all of them (and others) together?

If I were going to develop the property, I'd look around to surrounding areas and see which businesses are thriving and pick a type of business that Sowal lacks. Actually a Thai restaurant might be quite good. FWB has a LOT of Thai restaurants due to the large Thai population there. (We like Daddy's in ME, Thai House off Racetrack, Mahkong Thai downtown...but there's also Thai Hut, Ractrack Cafe Thai, Orchid House, Thai Kitchen, Thai Saree, Bankok House, and many others that I've seen but cannot name.) There are also a few thriving Thai markets. I think those markets are missing an opportunity of their own, so here's an idea...

Combo Thai restaurant, and Thai market that offers cooking classes and demonstrations on how to use the Thai ingredients. If you've been into any of the markets, it's very intimidating. Through trial and error (and one very kind woman who doesn't mind helping me when she's there ), I've been able to scratch the surface of Thai cooking and ingredients, but I'd buy a lot more ingredients if I knew what to do with them.

We've seen an influx of Mexican markets in Sowal, and Vietnamese markets in Pensacola. What about an International market bringing all of them (and others) together?

What a cool idea!

I agree. They would regularly have my business...

Question-

How does the monthly rent compare on 30A in a place like Redfish to a storefront along 98 in SoWal???

the seasonality of 30-a makes owning many businesses brutal .

Yes, having a limited off season makes things difficult, but all of this stems from high rents and bad economy. If people were still making easy money, many businesses would still be bumping.

Again, there may be businesses which can make the numbers work, but there are probably more businesses that cannot make the numbers work.

I agree. They would regularly have my business...

Question-

How does the monthly rent compare on 30A in a place like Redfish to a storefront along 98 in SoWal???

I'm not positive, but I think that all of the businesses in Redfish Village actually own the business condo unit, so you'll have to do some math after looking at the tax rolls to see what they paid for each unit, then add insurance, taxes and any HOA fees.

On Hwy 98, rents fluctuate quite a bit, depending on whether the strip mall is older (crappy) or whether it was developed after 2003 and must charge enough to cover costs.

I heard someone say the one in Watercolor closed as well? I drove by today around 4pm and it was closed. What up?

Yes - the WaterColor location is also empty.

That's too bad. My daughter's favorite place for smoothies.

That's too bad. My daughter's favorite place for smoothies.

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If the WaterColor PJ's is really closed for good, this makes it their third location to fold. It seems like it was under construction longer than it was open.

JOE can't be happy about this.

I seriously doubt that anyone is happy about the closings. It hurts everyone a little bit.

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I shamelessly plug stuff I like. I do appreciate sponsors.

I think the term "shamelessly plug" stems from plugging your stuff (why not?), or stuff you don't really like or believe in? Or does it mean plugging so often it is spam?

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If the WaterColor PJ's is really closed for good, this makes it their third location to fold. It seems like it was under construction longer than it was open.

JOE can't be happy about this.

Third? I thought they just had the Redfish and WaterColor locations?

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That was pretty shameless.

Just teasing, not being snarky or negative.

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They had a PJ's in Celebration, FL at Water Tower Place. Closed in early 2008, I think.

I guess water towers and coffee shops are a bad combo.

PJ's coffee closed?

heard yesterday that pj's coffee in watercolor closed. really sad. i loved when it was at redfish village, and i could walk there if i wanted. wish the best for sarah and jackson - great people!

There is another thread on this subject which is very long. Search for PJ's Coffee.

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Sad to hear about PJ's. I don't think the landscaping has anything to do with Redfish Village retail shops being unsuccessful. Tourists get out and about and drive into new developments. I think its lack of success has more to do with the timing, 2007-present, than anything. Additionally, the unfortunate issues surrounding the development and rumors of lawsuits from purchasers, etc.

I've really enjoyed all of the businesses there and miss them all.

By the way, the natural vegetation which buffers Redfish Village from 30A is required to be preservation by the Walton County Comp Plan, and fortunately, unlike some other developers, they did follow the rules and keep the vegetation as required. I can give you examples of other property developers which decided to violate the County rules, and clear cut the entire property. If anything, we should support the developers who play by the rules.

I am glad that we don't have to look at big parking lots when driving through such a cool place as Blue Mtn Beach.

Redfish Village will survive, and businesses will eventually go in there and I'm sure the residential condos will one day be filled. They, like so many developments, completed the buildout at the peak of the market, so it is no surprise that they have been stuck in this transition period -- most everyone was caught in it. We are seeing lot sales in the development to it's north, which connects into Redfish Village to access the merchants, and that will be a good centralized location in the future, when the commercial and residential units are filled.

By the way, the natural vegetation which buffers Redfish Village from 30A is required to be preservation by the Walton County Comp Plan, and fortunately, unlike some other developers, they did follow the rules and keep the vegetation as required. I can give you examples of other property developers which decided to violate the County rules, and clear cut the entire property. If anything, we should support the developers who play by the rules.

I am glad that we don't have to look at big parking lots when driving through such a cool place as Blue Mtn Beach.

Redfish Village will survive, and businesses will eventually go in there and I'm sure the residential condos will one day be filled. They, like so many developments, completed the buildout at the peak of the market, so it is no surprise that they have been stuck in this transition period -- most everyone was caught in it. We are seeing lot sales in the development to it's north, which connects into Redfish Village to access the merchants, and that will be a good centralized location in the future, when the commercial and residential units are filled.

Great post Murray! You are dead on. We will all survive and be better of as well!