Redfish Village Beach Access

... That is what I am here for. I want my kids to be able to "experience" the beach without having to sift through people. This is about the future of BMB. ...

As stated in earlier post I like the Hard2Sell guys too. They are some nice folks.

So where is your property located, edroedrog? Unless your property is adjacent to lot #2, how will your kids have to sift through people? Lot #2 runs to the mean high water mark, so you shouldn't be on their property anyway, unless you are an owner or guest of Redfish Village.

On a similar note, the only way you will stop people from going to the beach is to blow up the bridges leading to SoWal. The beach is here and you will not stop them from coming. As previously mentioned, they are coming so we better figure out what we are going to do with them when they arrive.

From all of your posts calling those guys liars, and now you stating that they are nice folks, you make anything you say difficult to believe. I still cannot determine whether your abbreviations are for the ficticious names which you are giving people or if they are for the real names. You don't make it easy for us to understand you.

So where is your property located, edroedrog? Unless your property is adjacent to lot #2, how will your kids have to sift through people? Lot #2 runs to the mean high water mark, so you shouldn't be on their property anyway, unless you are an owner or guest of Redfish Village.

On a similar note, the only way you will stop people from going to the beach is to blow up the bridges leading to SoWal. The beach is here and you will not stop them from coming. As previously mentioned, they are coming so we better figure out what we are going to do with them when they arrive.

From all of your posts calling those guys liars, and now you stating that they are nice folks, you make anything you say difficult to believe. I still cannot determine whether your abbreviations are for the ficticious names which you are giving people or if they are for the real names. You don't make it easy for us to understand you.

SJ-I am talking about future. You obviously only take the points that you want to hear and make them into something I did not say. You must not walk on the beach. I do and when I walk down the beach I do not want to pass through all the PrivateBA area where folks are packed in like sardines. We have done the numbers early on in this thread and you posted something that was louder than words. The pictures you posted were great.

SJ-Go back and read my post. I have said in the past that I thought the Hard2Sell folks were nice too. I think I said they were nice in post 162 as well.

SJ-I am talking about future. You obviously only take the points that you want to hear and make them into something I did not say. You must not walk on the beach. I do and when I walk down the beach I do not want to pass through all the PrivateBA area where folks are packed in like sardines. We have done the numbers early on in this thread and you posted something that was louder than words. The pictures you posted were great.

SJ-Go back and read my post. I have said in the past that I thought the Hard2Sell folks were nice too. I think I said they were nice in post 162 as well.

Maybe, but how many times have you commented about them being liars, since they supposedly own part of what you refer to as "LyingFish?" I am not making that up. Those are your words and that is what most of us are reading.

You pointing out two posts of your numerous posts, saying that they are nice, is on the same level with a guy meeting a girl, falling in love and saying I love you once in their thirty year marriage. It doesn't add up. ;-)

SJ-I am talking about future. You obviously only take the points that you want to hear and make them into something I did not say. You must not walk on the beach. I do and when I walk down the beach I do not want to pass through all the PrivateBA area where folks are packed in like sardines. We have done the numbers early on in this thread and you posted something that was louder than words. The pictures you posted were great.

SJ-Go back and read my post. I have said in the past that I thought the Hard2Sell folks were nice too. I think I said they were nice in post 162 as well.

Jim do you have this in PDF? Would love to see it in a PrivateMail? Had someone call me out on the part about LyingFish the other day and would love to see that portion of the contract. That would definitely prove my point.

For the record, this your post number 162. You must once again be mistaken. Straighten up and fly right. ;-)

Sorry I should have used the word gathering not shredding. But in the end I am sure they made it to the recycle container in much smaller pieces. This does not really matter either.

Gathering of what for what purpose. Why? If it doesn't matter, why did you bring it up in the first place?

Update to my 20% ownership post actually NOG owns a portion of Hard2Sell. This does not really matter either in the grand scheme. Just wanted readers to know about the relationship that is all.

So what % is it? And at what % would it start to matter? Is it really surprising that a RE company would have % in a deal of this size?

Does anyone know why New Orchard Group did not use Hard2Sell to buy lot 2? Was that a tactical move or was it because of something else? Did the transaction already take place or is their a contingency clause.

Tactical? I think any transaction worth 4-5 million is tactical. Did which transaction take place? The acquisition of lot 2? We've been discussing lot 2 for 7 pages, I think it happened.

I am being told that we are not hear to talk about the trailer park that we are here to discuss how we are going to keep the big trucks off of Lot 2.

big trucks? Do you not want to hear them their?

edroedrog, this is a classic example of one of your posts that continues to confuse me, and raises more questions that it answers. Help me out, what point are you trying to get across here? And it seems you have moved from the factual posts. I got out my decoder ring to decipher your abbreviations, but it seems I'm going to need a bibliography soon. Please help me see your point.

For the record, this your post number 162. You must once again be mistaken. Straighten up and fly right. ;-)

post 167 sorry SJ.

Edroedrog

Where is your property?

Why is it that it used to be that you "had a book signing" and your special endeavors and you just wanted to attack the developer and now 49 posts later you decide that it is really that you just don't want your kids to "sift" through people.

Are you really saying now that it is just about too many people on the beach? Tell us all how we can stop that and we will be happy.

Remember that it is easier to keep it all straight in your head when you tell the truth. It is clear to us that you have woven a web of lies trying to smear people and now you don't even know who you are. Go back and reread your first posts so you can get back to the edroegrop persona we all were entertained by. Even if your facts were wrong and you misled everybody here.

The Redfish Village beach access in on the Technical Review Committee Agenda for 12/20. It is advertised in the legal section of the DeFuniak Herald, which is the only notification required for this committee. The purpose of the TRC is for the applicants and planning staff to go over issues prior to being scheduled for the Planning Commission and the Board of County Commissioners. It is a public forum where private citizens can either attend or write in with their concerns. The logical progression would be for the project to go to the next Planning Commission, which will be held the 2nd Thursday in January and then the Board of County Commissioners the 4th Tuesday in January. Both of these meetings will have to be noticed by a sign on the property, mail-out notification to property owners within 300 feet, and twice in the legal section of the DeFuniak Herald. These dates would occur only if everything goes smoothly, as is the case for any project. You can find out the results of the PC and BCC meetings by calling our office the day after. Minutes for all meetings will be available after they have been approved.

So I was curious to see edroe's first post, which is above. It doesn't appear that he is quoting someone, so it sounds like edroe works with the WalCo Planning Dpt where the result of the PC and BCC meetings can be obtained. Or, maybe you work with H2O Properties, where they would know the results of the meetings. From all of your code talk about Redfish Village, it sounds like you know inside information and that you are hoping we find it out. I guess if you let the information out, we would know who you are and your job could be at risk. Without useful information from you, this is my best guess as to why you are all over the place with your questionable "facts."

Edroedrog

Where is your property?

Why is it that it used to be that you "had a book signing" and your special endeavors and you just wanted to attack the developer and now 49 posts later you decide that it is really that you just don't want your kids to "sift" through people.

Are you really saying now that it is just about too many people on the beach? Tell us all how we can stop that and we will be happy.

Remember that it is easier to keep it all straight in your head when you tell the truth. It is clear to us that you have woven a web of lies trying to smear people and now you don't even know who you are. Go back and reread your first posts so you can get back to the edroegrop persona we all were entertained by. Even if your facts were wrong and you misled everybody here.

Trust me KT I have not "misled" anyone. If I am wrong why are you so upset KT.

I have the Letter on Lot 1 telling them to stop(I still do not have your letter telling them they can start back on Lot 1)

I do know from the bizJournal that Orchard and Hard2sell are in bed with some of the same money. My point in this is that they know what is going on with the development. They act like they do not know what the developer is doing but they do.

I do know that the website states Private Beach Access and other documents do as well.

I have heard but do not have the Condo Docs that show Lot 1 as being the Private Beach Access. And it came from this site. Guess I should call up Florida State.gov and get them to make me copies at 12-15 dollars a sheet. And post it for you to read but then you already have them so what's the point.

You still did not tell me why Hard2Sell did not get to make the transaction for Orchard Group on Lot 2.

Trust me KT I have not "misled" anyone. If I am wrong why are you so upset KT.

I have the Letter on Lot 1 telling them to stop(I still do not have your letter telling them they can start back on Lot 1)

I do know from the bizJournal that Orchard and Hard2sell are in bed with some of the same money. My point in this is that they know what is going on with the development. They act like they do not know what the developer is doing but they do.

I do know that the website states Private Beach Access and other documents do as well.

I have heard but do not have the Condo Docs that show Lot 1 as being the Private Beach Access. And it came from this site. Guess I should call up Florida State.gov and get them to make me copies at 12-15 dollars a sheet. And post it for you to read but then you already have them so what's the point.

You still did not tell me why Hard2Sell did not get to make the transaction for Orchard Group on Lot 2.

You are so wise to know what other people know. Maybe you can explain why the two representatives for Redfish Village contradicted each other at the meeting when asked if beach services would be provided at the Proposed Private Access. They represent the developer, and yet, they were not in agreement as to the answer. Please share with us how someone with only a supposed 20% interest is going to be on the same page with the developer. Do you honestly think they have much input or 100% knowledge of what the developer is doing, having such a small reported interest in the property?
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So why don't you stop asking us since we don't know if or why H20 Properties did not transact the sale of lot #2? Just tell us why. You really sound like you are dying to tell us.

This certainly has turned into a pissing in the wind thread! :boxing:

This certainly has turned into a pissing in the wind thread! :boxing:

With comments like that, you better watch out because BMBW and edroddrog will think you are the developer for Redfish Village.

This certainly has turned into a pissing in the wind thread! :boxing:

Sorry ATM. I know your position and I like you so I will stop pissing in the wind with these folks.

Gentlemen,

Enough is enough.

Smiling JOe, in a previous post you somewhat "smeared" the owner of the lot to the west of the 260 lot implying that he is doing everything wrong regarding his opposition to the RFV lot and his simultaneous desire to sell.

I dissected your post and clearly pointed out your misconceptions.

Not that I asked for a response from you, but it would be nice if you would at least acknowledge that you were a little off-base with your post.

Similing Joe, John R, KT, and others: you have clearly shown that edroedrog has an agenda. I may not be in complete alignment with edroedrog's motivations. Let's say, as an exercise, that edroedrog just wants to see RFV fail for whatever reason.

Would that change the core matter of this thread? That is the county approving a project on a piece of property that is not "compatible" with the existing neighborhood.

You guys keep throwing knives at each other while the real matter just gets ignored.

I challenge each and every one of you to post your CONCISE opinion of whether or not the county should approve the use of the residential lot on Blue Mountain Road as a "private deeded access" with bathrooms for 80 remotely condominium units.... Yes or No with any qualifiers and opinions.

I'll go first.
I'm against it.
The lot is residential and the proposed use in not compatible with the neighborhood.

I'll go first.
I'm against it.
The lot is residential and the proposed use in not compatible with the neighborhood.

Thank you BMBV for trying to organize this thread.

I'll go first.
I'm against it.
The lot is residential and the proposed use is not compatible with the neighborhood.

Ditto.

Thanks for getting this thread back on track BMBV.

Gentlemen,

Enough is enough.

Smiling JOe, in a previous post you somewhat "smeared" the owner of the lot to the west of the 260 lot implying that he is doing everything wrong regarding his opposition to the RFV lot and his simultaneous desire to sell.

I dissected your post and clearly pointed out your misconceptions.

Not that I asked for a response from you, but it would be nice if you would at least acknowledge that you were a little off-base with your post.

Similing Joe, John R, KT, and others: you have clearly shown that edroedrog has an agenda. I may not be in complete alignment with edroedrog's motivations. Let's say, as an exercise, that edroedrog just wants to see RFV fail for whatever reason.

Would that change the core matter of this thread? That is the county approving a project on a piece of property that is not "compatible" with the existing neighborhood.

You guys keep throwing knives at each other while the real matter just gets ignored.

I challenge each and every one of you to post your CONCISE opinion of whether or not the county should approve the use of the residential lot on Blue Mountain Road as a "private deeded access" with bathrooms for 80 remotely condominium units.... Yes or No with any qualifiers and opinions.

I have stated it before. I don't think the use of a private Beach Access for 80 condo owners is compatible by any stretch of the terms to the existing neighbors uses. Early on, I gave the lack of compatiblity of the use of the private access as something for the opponents to focus on.

For the record, posting verbatim information from 248 Blue Mtn Rd listing was not some crazy dream I had. Those words which I posted are actually written on the MLS listing. Read into it what you will. Sure, I get the idea, and never fully rely on anything I read in the MLS. I do my own DD. That listing was just like giving a loaded gun to a hunter. He set himself up for that one.

The fact is, that there is no new news on this issue, so we are just killing time by the dagger throwing competition. We are all a little hard headed. Did I say "little?" I mean "very."

For the complete record, contrary to what other people have posted on this thread, I have no personal interest in Redfish Village, the sale of any units of Redfish Village, nor any insider scoop on the project, or the County. I think Redfish Village screwed up by offering something that was not really needed. In the process, they could have saved themselves a good $10 million which could have reduced the price of the 80 units by $125,000 each, and now they wouldn't have people hoping it doesn't go through.

.....For the record, posting verbatim information from 248 Blue Mtn Rd listing was not some crazy dream I had. Those words which I posted are actually written on the MLS listing. Read into it what you will. Sure, I get the idea, and never fully rely on anything I read in the MLS. I do my own DD. That listing was just like giving a loaded gun to a hunter. He set himself up for that one. ....

"Those words which I posted are actually written on the MLS listing. Read into it what you will."
Remember you're the one that found it, posted it, and highlighted certain sentences and then you read into what you did (incorrectly as I have pointed out).

"He set himself up for that one."
I believe you set him up. I'm sure his real estate agent worded the MLS listing, not him, without too much thought regarding the RFV situation and the possiblity of someone ripping apart the listing word for word to cast doubt and confusion regarding the sincerity of his opposition of RFV's "private deeded access" bathroom lot.

SJ, it does appear that you're an ally in this situation. That much is appreciated by, at least, me.

Whow...This thread is long and very interesting.

Does anyone know how mosaic and new orchard group are related to one another?

Does anyone know how mosaic and new orchard group are related to one another?

Basically one and the same assuming Mosaic "version" II.
http://corp.sos.state.ga.us/imaging/12917369.pdf

Link doesn't work...

Basically one and the same assuming Mosaic "version" II.
http://corp.sos.state.ga.us/imaging/12917369.pdf

I don't see the connection to which you refer. I do see that R Bradley Carr is the registered agent for the New Orchard Group, LLC, but he doesn't show up under any Mosaic business, of which there are many registered. Interestly, R Bradley Carr is also the registered agent of NatureWalk Builders, LLC. As a reminder, NatureWalk is also trying to get a private Gulf front Club and access. :scratch:

Edit: After doing a bit more crossreferencing, I do find R Bradly Carr to also be the registered agent for Mosaic Capital Partners, LLC.

...but what this has to do with the private access(es), I don't have a clue. Maybe you can enlighten me.

I believe Brad Zeitlin was/is a partner in Mosaic.

Vagrant, you're right, this thread has shown it's dark side, not pretty. I think much of it was due to innuendo and illinformed posting, which hit some people personally, myself included. FWIW, I have never endorsed this issue for the RFV group, despite what some here would believe. Although, I have enjoyed picking apart the posts of some who post without backup, will not answer direct questions, or post with such arcane references as to be indecipherable.

Good luck with fight to keep your neighborhood intact. Hopefully our BCC will really look this thing in the eye for what it is and make the right decision. Bowing down to developers for the sake of RETT should not be the primary reason for many of the decisions made. If this happens it will open the door for developers to continue to push the envelope to what else they can try for the sake of the sale. I'm bummed I won't be able to make the meeting due to commitments with The Inconvenient Truth.

What I will say again, is that the county population is not getting any smaller and these people will be coming to the beach, and WE ALL need to prepare and plan for it. I hope we don't end up seeing a bunch of little signs out there, it would sure add to the visual polution we already have, re: uncapped walls, off color sand, crap on the beach, etc.