Security on 30-A Beaches

The "private" section of the beach is supposedly from the high tide line back toward the dunes. Unfortunately, few people know this. They are just looking for a spot to enjoy themselves.

I have a friend who owns a unit on Sand Trap Road at Miramar. The A-hole who lives next door waits for people to get completely set up in front of his house, then walks out and tells them they are on private property.

If you think about it, there is nowhere you can go and NOT be on private property unless you are in a state park.

IMO, this is a pretty major issue with no easy answers.

I have a few replies that I would like to address, but I don't know how to put them all in one post. So, please excuse me for multiple posts.

The A-Hole you are referring to is one of the SOB groups members. He not only put his own house in danger, but all of his neighbors. He doesn't seem to care. My understanding is the renourishment project skipped that ares and his neighbors are now sueing him for endangerment of private property. Good, I hope they win.

I find it a very sad commentary on their lives/personalities that these people have to be so territorial and mean-spirited. I could see asking people to leave an area clear for a special event like a wedding, or even asking people who are being obnoxious to leave if they are somehow interfering w/ your enjoyment, but if you're not actively using the beach, why can't others enjoy it?

For those urgently needing to stake their territory, the easiest way is to put out a chair or towel and plop yourself down. I don't select a beach spot that is already occupied ;-).

This kind of behavior makes me want to channel the most obnoxious beach goer ever and go park myself on the "public" portion!

It is sad, but disgusting as well. I ran into one of the opponents of the beach renourishment program, pointing out that tourism is our major business here, and without the beach, we wouldn't have any tourist. The reply I got was "We've made our money and don't care about tourism". I also pointed out the restaurant they were eating in would not be there if it was not for tourism, and they just grunted. NOTE again, it was ok for them to walk and set up their space on the beach anywhere they wanted, until they became property owners.

Beachbummet give us your address in bham and Seagrove we'll be more than happy to stop by! Are ya part of the green shirt cult?

Ask Bobby J, he knows! He also knows I would sit with him!

When should I do this.... I have not been in the paper in over two weeks so it must be time!

It's time, I will be there tonight...you know my numbers.

I do have a friend that lives on the gulf that a couple of years ago, she said someone walked beside her house to the edge of the dune, dropped his pants and mooned friends below. She said you should have seen his face when he looked up and saw her staring back at him through the window.

Some people do call this place home and live there full time. I think most folks don't say anything about people in front of theire homes.....there is always someone out there who is small minded and petty.

What happens if you refuse to leave? Is it just a fine? Will they haul you off?

The private beaches are only part of the problem. Once they receive dredged sand, that portion is public. But all along the beach, the parking limits your access to it. On 30a you pass many access points with limited or no parking.
PARKING EQUALS ACCESS!
The green shirt timeshare crowd is just the latest example of greedy people who want an empty beach to welcome their next visit. All along the beachfront corporate beach has been eliminating parking, unnoticed by most.
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If I am ever asked to leave a beach, I will consider it an invite to stay... They will need to arrest me! I feel that would be some real positive publicity for the issue. ;-)

If asked to leave, I will be asking for a copy of their deed and current survey, showing the corner posts of their property.

A homeless person once said...
Access to anyone's bathroom shouldn't be limited to just the owner.

I hadn't mentioned in my original post but I did respectfully refuse to leave the beach when the security guard requested that. He did call the Sherriff and when he arrived he asked me for ID (I tried to give him my business card but he scoffed at that and asked for my driver's license).

I never take my Driver's License to the beach.

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If asked to leave, I will be asking for a copy of their deed and current survey, showing the corner posts of their property.

Sad to see that you'd resort to such tactics even though you profess to generally understand (and sometimes inform us of) the rules and regulations of our great county. Would you do the same thing for a property owner on the bay? on Black Creek? a golf course home? ... anywhere you think you'd like to spread a blanket and join 100 of your friends because you like the view?

So if there are no fences or gates or survey markers on a piece of property, you apparently take it as an open invitation to make yourself at home. SJ, tell me I'm wrong.

I never take my Driver's License to the beach.

I was impressed she had a business card AND a driver's license!

My beach kit is more than complete if I've got a towel, sunglasses, a book, and some water.

Exactly where am I supposed to carry ID as I stroll the beach in a bikini?

Since only recently, Gulf-front land owners have began hiring the security and or posting signs of "private beach." If they have not defended this property up until now, and the public has been using it in the past, do you have any idea on how a Judge or jury would rule on it being public vs private?

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Sad to see that you'd resort to such tactics even though you profess to generally understand (and sometimes inform us of) the rules and regulations of our great county. Would you do the same thing for a property owner on the bay? on Black Creek? a golf course home? ... anywhere you think you'd like to spread a blanket and join 100 of your friends because you like the view?

So if there are no fences or gates or survey markers on a piece of property, you apparently take it as an open invitation to make yourself at home. SJ, tell me I'm wrong.

His point was that the sand they are escorting him off of might not even be theirs.

His point was that the sand they are escorting him off of might not even be theirs.

A good example of this would be the 6 homeowners on Montgomery Street who have erected "no tresspassing" signs between their homes on 20ft wide strips of public property deeded for beach access.

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All I can say is that Karma rules...Mother Nature will take care of those with private property signs on the beach.

All I can say is that Karma rules...Mother Nature will take care of those with private property signs on the beach

exactly!

A homeless person once said...
Access to anyone's bathroom shouldn't be limited to just the owner.

Are you advocating using our ocean as your toilet? Many of corporate beach have done so!


Clean water good for your soul

A good example of this would be the 6 homeowners on Montgomery Street who have erected "no tresspassing" signs between their homes on 20ft wide strips of public property deeded for beach access.

So logic follows your point above:
That because a very few may have improper signs (based on your observation - I don't know the facts there), that it's fair game to "play" with all private property owners?
You may make your point, but you lead the uneducated masses astray.

Once again you said,
"If asked to leave, I will be asking for a copy of their deed and current survey, showing the corner posts of their property." I MIGHT can understand your position on Montgomery street. But I think you should qualify such a brazen general statement. You owe that to your followers and more to yourself.

Are you advocating using our ocean as your toilet? Many of corporate beach have done so!


Clean water good for your soul

Geeze....
You never peed in the ocean?

From Black Hawk, Sauk
"How smooth must be the language of the whites, when they can make right look like wrong, and wrong like right."

greenroomsurfer:

Back in another thread out of nowhere you posted that you had PROOF that all beaches were public. I simply asked you to share your proof. Still haven't heard back from you. See SoWal Beaches Forum - View Single Post - Board of Commisioner's Mtg Monday at 4:00

Maybe you didn't see it?

greenroomsurfer:

Back in another thread out of nowhere you posted that you had PROOF that all beaches were public. I simply asked you to share your proof. Still haven't heard back from you. See http://www.sowal.com/bb/showpost.php?p=252656&postcount=32

Maybe you didn't see it?

Methinks you need to stick to seawall issues.

So logic follows your point above:
That because a very few may have improper signs (based on your observation - I don't know the facts there), that it's fair game to "play" with all private property owners?
You may make your point, but you lead the uneducated masses astray.

Once again you said,
"If asked to leave, I will be asking for a copy of their deed and current survey, showing the corner posts of their property." I MIGHT can understand your position on Montgomery street. But I think you should qualify such a brazen general statement. You owe that to your followers and more to yourself.

Some of the deeds and original plats are about as clear as mud as to who owns what. Even lawyers will tell you that. On top of that, "private ownership" of Gulf Front properties which extend to the mean high water mark, is so random, a normal person standing on the beach with a parcel map marked with those properties, would still find it fairly difficult to determine which parcel is which. So, I say prove which is which.

Methinks you need to stick to seawall issues.

I like it here just fine, thanks!

Isn't this suppose to be an exchange of ideas instead of telling people what to stick to? or where to stick it (as some would have it?) ....

It is the lack of understanding of the issue that truly creates the friction and resulting actions you describe in your first post. Some understand but won't admit it...some don't have a clue.

It's hard not to like a surfer dude.

But being one doesn't grant one the right to trespass on anyone's private property. Their suggestion that everyone should break the law is disappointing. I know a lot is said here in jest, but this is a serious topic.

By the way, someone's comparing this topic to Rosa Parks is a true insult to the struggle for everyone's civil rights.

If I'm going to be hassled by the Sheriff's department and fined for trespassing, I'd at least like to ACTUALLY be proven to be trespassing............that's just me though ;-).