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An Oregon apartment complex is banning its residents from flying American flags, not only from their dwellings but also their vehicles, KATU in Portland reported.
Residents' outrage started when Jim Clausen, whose son is in the military and on his way back to Iraq, was told he couldn't fly an American flag from the back of his motorcycle.
If he didn't take the flag down, he was told he'd face eviction, the station reported.
"It floored me," Clausen told the station. "I can't believe she was saying what she was saying. It [the flag] stands for the people that can no longer stand - who died in wars. That's why I fly the flag."
Sharron White, a long-time resident, was told by management to take down the flag she's flown on her car for eight years because "someone might get offended."
"I just said to her, 'They'll just have to get over it,'" White told the station.
The ban also applies to flag stickers on cars, as well as sports flags.
KATU attempted to contact management at the apartment complex, but no one returned their calls.
Click here to read more on this story from KATU.
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SoWal Expert
This is very complicated- which is probably why the news story was pretty short and sweet- way above most TV news quickies. This stuff would put most people to sleep.
From the following article, I am still reading that apartment complex owners are not the same as residential real estate management associations. And also, there are apparently several individual state rules that trump the fed rules. (I think it said to not assume that the federal law preempts the state law).
Guidance for Complying with the Freedom to Display the American Flag Act of 2005
Mermy I don't know how you did so much HOA research-- your eyes must have glazed over.
From the following article, I am still reading that apartment complex owners are not the same as residential real estate management associations. And also, there are apparently several individual state rules that trump the fed rules. (I think it said to not assume that the federal law preempts the state law).
Guidance for Complying with the Freedom to Display the American Flag Act of 2005
Mermy I don't know how you did so much HOA research-- your eyes must have glazed over.
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Beach Fanatic
In my online community in Pa. (my former residence) personal attacks like that were deemed not acceptible and inappropriate--I guess that is just not the case here.
edit: Personal attacks are not allowed on SoWal.com
picky
This is very complicated- which is probably why the news story was pretty short and sweet- way above most TV news quickies. This stuff would put most people to sleep.
From the following article, I am still reading that apartment complex owners are not the same as residential real estate management associations. And also, there are apparently several individual state rules that trump the fed rules. (I think it said to not assume that the federal law preempts the state law).
Guidance for Complying with the Freedom to Display the American Flag Act of 2005
Mermy I don't know how you did so much HOA research-- your eyes must have glazed over.
It was actually condominium law I was studying, not HOAs--in Florida there are slight but important nuances between the two. I am glad to say, however, that Florida legislature passed the following last fall, for condominiums:
FS 718.113(4) Any unit owner may display one portable, removable United States flag in a respectful way and, on Armed Forces Day, Memorial Day, Flag Day, Independence Day, and Veterans Day, may display in a respectful way, portable, removable official flags, not larger than 4 1/2' by 6', that represent the United States Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, or Coast Guard, regardless of any declaration rules or requirements dealing with flags or decorations.
BTW, my statutes booklet also states that the Florida legislature says it is now perfectly legal for condo owners in this state to have wash lines to dry their clothes. Somehow I think a person exercising his rights in a million dollar plus condo development would draw far more ire doing that than displaying an American flag.
Banned
If while renting a condo on the beach one were told to remove their American flag towel draped over the railing or be evicted, would Fox News get up in arms over this when in fact all towels on railings are banned? Of course they would because it feeds to the "America is being destroyed" crowd they pander to.
Beach Fanatic
I like this part in the second article:
"KVAL News asked whether she had talked to the resident who originally went to the media with the story. Holcomb said no, although she said she would talk to him -- and would have talked to him before he went to the media. Holcomb said he did not approach her before talking to KVAL News partner KATU. "He's just a romping, stomping patriot," Holcomb said."
So, instead of contacting the landlord and talking to him about it, this guy immediately calls Fox News.
This is not a story, this is a made-up issue.
"KVAL News asked whether she had talked to the resident who originally went to the media with the story. Holcomb said no, although she said she would talk to him -- and would have talked to him before he went to the media. Holcomb said he did not approach her before talking to KVAL News partner KATU. "He's just a romping, stomping patriot," Holcomb said."
So, instead of contacting the landlord and talking to him about it, this guy immediately calls Fox News.
This is not a story, this is a made-up issue.
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ou.
Are you suggesting we now vote people off the board because we disagree with their posts? Suck it up and reply with a lengthy rebuttal or a one liner instead of calling them names and acting like a child. There would be no fun in posting if we all held the same views.
Beach Fanatic
Are you suggesting we now vote people off the board because we disagree with their posts? Suck it up and reply with a lengthy rebuttal or a one liner instead of calling them names and acting like a child. There would be no fun in posting if we all held the same views.
No poppy, I wasn't suggesting anything. I was just reacting to every thought that this guy has being a slam to conservatives, George Bush, Fox News, etc. It seems to me that everyone having the same views is exactly what you want.
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No poppy, I wasn't suggesting anything. I was just reacting to every thought that this guy has being a slam to conservatives, George Bush, Fox News, etc. It seems to me that everyone having the same views is exactly what you want.
You need to read and comprehend my entire post before responding. Here's my viewpoint you failed to grasp - -
There would be no fun in posting if we all held the same views.
Beach Comber
OK... I just read this whole thread and whether you are liberal conservative or neither, whether you were born in America or chose to move here, we are all given one unalienable right that is protected by the flag...
IF YOU DON"T LIKE IT YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.
The american flag stands for whichever side you believe and it also stands for the diversity of this great country whether you agree with Alpha or Santiago.
The American Flag should be the only symbol of such that is truly 100% protected by the law as we ALL live in America, this right should be protected unconditionally anywhere and everywhere within our borders. MANY HAVE DIED FOR THAT RIGHT.
IF YOU DON"T LIKE IT YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.
The american flag stands for whichever side you believe and it also stands for the diversity of this great country whether you agree with Alpha or Santiago.
The American Flag should be the only symbol of such that is truly 100% protected by the law as we ALL live in America, this right should be protected unconditionally anywhere and everywhere within our borders. MANY HAVE DIED FOR THAT RIGHT.
Beach Comber
It IS news when someone tries to take that right from someone else no matter which side reports it, you all should be offended if someone tells you that you can not fly the flag or if someone says something derogatory about our country.
You may have a problem with the right or with the left, but if you have a problem with America as a whole then you just don't belong here.
You may have a problem with the right or with the left, but if you have a problem with America as a whole then you just don't belong here.
Banned
The last line from the article reads - - -
"We're told the ban includes sports flags and even flag stickers on cars."
So it seems they ban all flags of all types, it isn't a ban on the American flag so put your weapons away and calm down.
these people were told that it might offend someone. how does an american flag offend someone unless your a left wing loon that blames america for everything because some leftist on tv tells you too. quit defending such stupidity and look at this for what it is
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No. What is "serious" is how Fox "Noise" has now quickly becomes Sowal "Noise". I am inclined to believe Fox Noise is now becoming the mouth piece of Sowal.Com. :angry: ..and part of the vast right wing conspiracy here in the Panhandle!
fox noise? did olby teach you that one? right wing conspiracy? did hillary teach you that one? do you have thoughts of your own or are you happy to be the victim of political bomb throwers? im sure glad im not a robot to hate. you only do a disservice to yourself by not knowing whats going on in the world around you
Beach Fanatic
Right Wing Conspiracy
I think someone got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. Its a flag for pete sake!!!!! Nothing right or left. A FLAG!!!!!!
No. What is "serious" is how Fox "Noise" has now quickly becomes Sowal "Noise". I am inclined to believe Fox Noise is now becoming the mouth piece of Sowal.Com. :angry: ..and part of the vast right wing conspiracy here in the Panhandle!
I think someone got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. Its a flag for pete sake!!!!! Nothing right or left. A FLAG!!!!!!
SoWal Insider
No Lie:
After 9/11/01, when this nation was unified for a moment and there was a run on American Flags, someone made the statement, "Why would anyone make a pledge of allegiance to a flag anyway?"
I challenged the PhD candidate to review the words right after, "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America........"
After 9/11/01, when this nation was unified for a moment and there was a run on American Flags, someone made the statement, "Why would anyone make a pledge of allegiance to a flag anyway?"
I challenged the PhD candidate to review the words right after, "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America........"
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No poppy, I wasn't suggesting anything. I was just reacting to every thought that this guy has being a slam to conservatives, George Bush, Fox News, etc. It seems to me that everyone having the same views is exactly what you want.
Sorry for the double post, but I have to ask. What are your thoughts on this individual, an extreme right winger with an obvious mental deficiency or right on the money with these rants that are a rewording of every response they ever posted?
kkddbb these people were told that it might offend someone. how does an american flag offend someone unless your a left wing loon that blames america for everything because some leftist on tv tells you too. quit defending such stupidity and look at this for what it is
kkddbb fox noise? did olby teach you that one? right wing conspiracy? did hillary teach you that one? do you have thoughts of your own or are you happy to be the victim of political bomb throwers? im sure glad im not a robot to hate. you only do a disservice to yourself by not knowing whats going on in the world around you
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these people were told that it might offend someone. how does an american flag offend someone unless your a left wing loon that blames america for everything because some leftist on tv tells you too. quit defending such stupidity and look at this for what it is
I have never defended you.
Beach Fanatic
Serioiusly, you guys, if Mr. Offended had simply gone to the landlord and stated his objections, this would have been solved and Fox would not have had a story.
Instead, it's another manufactured problem which could have been solved at a much lower volume, if everyone had acted like a human being instead of leaping at the opportunity to get their panties in a wad.
We are becoming a nation of Jerry Springer loving drama queens.
Instead, it's another manufactured problem which could have been solved at a much lower volume, if everyone had acted like a human being instead of leaping at the opportunity to get their panties in a wad.
We are becoming a nation of Jerry Springer loving drama queens.
SoWal InsiderAuthor
OK... I just read this whole thread and whether you are liberal conservative or neither, whether you were born in America or chose to move here, we are all given one unalienable right that is protected by the flag...
IF YOU DON"T LIKE IT YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.
The american flag stands for whichever side you believe and it also stands for the diversity of this great country whether you agree with Alpha or Santiago.
The American Flag should be the only symbol of such that is truly 100% protected by the law as we ALL live in America, this right should be protected unconditionally anywhere and everywhere within our borders. MANY HAVE DIED FOR THAT RIGHT.
Thanks for your post and
(to the lion's den) I do think flying our American flag should be protected. Granted, there could be restrictions on size, etc for private property, but our flag represents our freedom and men & women die every day for that freedom. No one is going to tell me what i can put on my car for sure. :roll:
SoWal Insider
do you wish to live in a country of blind, hyper patriotism that kindles hate for anyone who is different?
Beach Lover
It IS news when someone tries to take that right from someone else no matter which side reports it, you all should be offended if someone tells you that you can not fly the flag or if someone says something derogatory about our country.
You may have a problem with the right or with the left, but if you have a problem with America as a whole then you just don't belong here.
Yeah, either that or you may love the first amendment to the Constitution of our country and ALL that it entails....
SoWal InsiderAuthor
do you wish to live in a country of blind, hyper patriotism that kindles hate for anyone who is different?
huh?
SoWal Insider
huh?
there can be too much of a good thing....the omnipresent flag helped fuel two unnecessary wars.
SoWal InsiderAuthor
I agree, but we're not talking about the entire country marching around with our flags... don't go extreme on me bob.
Beach Fanatic
do you wish to live in a country of blind, hyper patriotism that kindles hate for anyone who is different?
i see the nurses forgot to make bob take his pills this morning
SoWal Insider
i see the nurses forgot to make bob take his pills this morningthe laundry called, they want to know, starch or no starch?
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