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These are Not Good Reasons to be Against Health Insurance Reform

Beach Fanatic
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I wish that the Democrats had used these as talking points months ago:


Greetings to my conservative readers, who have vented and philosophized about President Obama's health reform drive in countless comments and e-mails. I want to talk today to you.

Obviously, it is your perfect right to oppose what Obama and Democrats are trying to do. And there are legitimate reasons to do so. Maybe you think the government shouldn't be in the business of trying to make sure all Americans have health coverage. Maybe you think that would be nice, but we can't afford it. Maybe you oppose raising any taxes or fees to help finance changes in the health care system, or you think any savings we can wring out of it should be used for other priorities.

Yet these are not always the reasons readers offer for their (sometimes ALL-CAPS, often vitriolic) opposition -- as anyone can see in the comments sections of every column I write about health care. Here are some of the charges and claims, and why I think they are not the right reasons to oppose the health overhaul before Congress:
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1. It is socialism. The Democratic plan would add about 15 million people over 10 years to Medicaid, the existing federal-state program now serving about 60 million poor and low-income Americans. It also would provide subsidies to middle-income families to help them buy private coverage. The bottom line, however, is there is no new government health program in the bill. The House passed a government-run plan (the "public option") in its health bill, but the Senate bill doesn't have one and the final product won't, either. Private insurance companies would not only survive under this bill, they would get millions of new customers. That doesn't sound like socialism.

2. It is a government takeover. The federal government would certainly be more involved in regulating insurance companies. The government would also set up and regulate a competitive new exchange, or marketplace, where small businesses and the uninsured could buy coverage. But the coverage would all be plans offered by private companies. The bill is, in fact, designed to preserve employer-based health benefits and the private insurance industry. So, increased government role, yes. Government takeover, no.

3. It is being "rammed through." There's a 100-year history of failed presidential attempts to achieve universal health coverage. The topic was discussed at length throughout the 2007-2008 presidential campaign. Since last January, it has consumed 15 months of hearings, legislating and debate in Congress. The House passed its bill in November and the Senate, by a 60-40 super-majority, passed its version in December. Take your pick -- a century, three years, 15 months -- but this doesn't meet any definition of "ramming."

4. Reconciliation is "ramming" AND cheating. Reconciliation is a Senate budget process instituted 30 years ago. Since reconciliation bills can't be filibustered, they need only 51 votes to pass -- so everybody uses them to get things done. A chart of 15 major reconciliation initiatives in last weekend's New York Times shows that Republicans have used the process many more times than Democrats. And we're not talking small ball. Republican presidents have signed reconciliation bills that, among other things, cut welfare benefits, expanded health coverage, raised taxes, reduced taxes and overhauled the student aid system. In this case, reconciliation will be used to amend a bill that's already passed the Senate with 60 votes. Cataclysmic, as Sen. John McCain put it? I think not.

5. It is unconstitutional. The bill requires every American to buy health insurance, including healthy people, and offers subsidies to help middle-income families. Insurance companies sought the mandate, saying it is the only way to keep premium costs from skyrocketing once they are not allowed to deny coverage to people with pre-existing medical conditions, drop sick people or limit annual and lifetime coverage (all popular provisions of the health bill). The mandate would not be the first imposed by state or federal governments -- they already require people to buy car insurance, buckle seat belts and wear motorcycle helmets, not to mention make sure their children are educated. Conservatives used to promote the health insurance mandate on grounds of personal responsibility. It's the law in Massachusetts.

6. It has sleazy special deals. The most notorious are the Cornhusker Kickback for Nebraska (permanent federal payments for Medicaid expansion) and the Florida exemption (seniors there would get to keep private Medicare Advantage plans that cost more than regular Medicare and are subsidized by taxpayers). The final package will not have these special deals. For procedural reasons, House members must first approve the Senate bill, which does include them, but the "fix" package -- possibly to be voted on the same day -- will remove them.

7. It would penalize senior citizens by cutting Medicare. The Senate bill would save more than $400 billion over 10 years by ending subsidies to Medicare Advantage and reducing projected payments to insurance companies, hospitals, drug companies and other players (some have already agreed to keep prices down). Seniors in regular Medicare would get the same benefits they have now, as well as additional services, like free preventive care. The AARP, which has 40 million members over age 50, says it supports health reform because it will put Medicare on a sounder fiscal footing.

8. It would do too little to curb costs. Amazingly, some people argue both No. 7 and No. 8. There are, in fact, many provisions intended to control costs. They include financial incentives for doctors and hospitals to provide efficient, coordinated care (rather than getting reimbursed for every test, procedure and hospital readmission); research into what treatments work best; a focus on preventive services and chronic care; pilot programs on ways to limit malpractice suits and awards; and an independent advisory board to recommend cost-saving changes in Medicare. These and other cost-cutting steps are described here.

9. It isn't popular. Did voters in Virginia, New Jersey and Massachusetts send clear messages -- by electing Republicans -- that they don't want this health package? Inconclusive at best. The economy is almost always the primary factor in election outcomes. Beyond that, Democrats had exceptionally weak candidates in all three states. The latest national poll from Gallup found slightly more people saying they'd advise their representative to vote against rather than for health reform. In a new poll from The Economist, 53 percent said they support Obama's proposed changes to the health care system. It's fair to say the country is split. In any case, Obama and Congress are not bound by polls.

10. It doesn't give us the same coverage as Congress. Actually, Congress is trying to provide similar coverage through these state exchanges. They are modeled on the Federal Employees Health Benefits Plan, which looks like this. The offerings are mostly from private insurers and every federal employee -- including members of the House and Senate -- pays for his or her own coverage. In time, I'm betting people who get coverage at work will be jealous of those who get it on the exchanges. They'll have choices, just like Congress does. Eventually the exchanges may open up to the rest of us as well.




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RayStar avatar
Beach Lover
#27
What are they thinking

I wonder how is it possible for so many republicans to be against the better health of so many people. Being from so different parts of the country, how can they all think alike. I asked myself when the health summit was going on did any of the Republicans have people in their states who need health care since so tragedy was mentioned by any of them. This is so scary to see the country divided by party lines. Where is the humanity?

When these Republicans were elected to serve the people, did they promise to the people they would say no to anything to help them? I doubt cancer is selective. Why are we not hearing from their constituents?

Yes, this vote is historic. When in this country have we had such division since the Civil War? God Bless the United States of America.
Lynnie avatar
SoWal Insider
#28
I don't think this is an us vs. them for the politicians. I see Democrats, Libertarians and Independents who are for reform, yet opposed to this bill. A lot of the opposition has to do with the 'rush,' content and cost. I certainly expect my representatives to read the bill and be thoughtful for Americans, especially those who need the help the most.
Here4Good avatar
Beach Fanatic
#29
I did read the Senate bill, which this basically is. That bill has been sitting there since December, so I think all members of Congress have had time to read and digest it. If they can't read, they each have staff members to read and summarize the bill, but since Congress is heavily populated with lawyers, I think they can probably understand it.

Yes, it's 1000 pages, but it's in legal form, so it probably actually has fewer words than a Harlequin romance.

I read four or five different summaries today, all of which agreed on the main points.

And I wouldn't call something rushed that has been on the front pages, been discussed in Town Hall meetings and been analyzed comprehensively by all of the affected professional organizations for the last 12 months.
Lynnie avatar
SoWal Insider
#30
I did read the Senate bill, which this basically is. That bill has been sitting there since December, so I think all members of Congress have had time to read and digest it. If they can't read, they each have staff members to read and summarize the bill, but since Congress is heavily populated with lawyers, I think they can probably understand it.

Yes, it's 1000 pages, but it's in legal form, so it probably actually has fewer words than a Harlequin romance.

I read four or five different summaries today, all of which agreed on the main points.

And I wouldn't call something rushed that has been on the front pages, been discussed in Town Hall meetings and been analyzed comprehensively by all of the affected professional organizations for the last 12 months.

Good. Anything in this bill that, in your opinion, shouldn't be? Anything that should be included?
Here4Good avatar
Beach Fanatic
#31
Good. Anything in this bill that, in your opinion, shouldn't be? Anything that should be included?

Throwing in the student loan thing was insanity.

I would have liked to have seen cross-state insurance, and personally, I would have phased out the incentive for employer-provided health insurance plans, but I'm an extremist. I want people to have to shop for their own coverage and insurers to be responsible to the end customer instead of selling to employers.

Alan Grayson's idea of allowing anyone to buy into Medicare is interesting, but I have no financial analysis of that proposal so it is hard to evaluate.

I would have liked some standardization of insurance laws between states, because I would like to see standardization of basic policies that would allow the consumer to compare apples to apples.

The Medicare cost containment issue did not need to be in any special bill, we just need to enforce the existing fraud laws.

I think that this is much less pervasive that many had hoped, or feared.
Beach FanaticAuthor
#32
I agree. Each member has a staff of very well qualified people -- many of whom wrote this language. They all know what is in it; and to say it is rushed is nothing but an oppositon party talking point.

The fact is the opposing party has stated that they want to kill this to make it "Obama's Waterloo"...they are not interested in governing; they are not interested in people's health; they (and some of the Democrats) are interested in campaign contributions and getting re-elected.

And shame on the American people if we let them get away with this strategy of obstruction.

No one seemed very concerned with rushing to invade Iraq! I am so tired of the double standard.

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ellen avatar
Beach Lover
#36
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I agree. Each member has a staff of very well qualified people -- many of whom wrote this language. They all know what is in it; and to say it is rushed is nothing but an oppositon party talking point.

The fact is the opposing party has stated that they want to kill this to make it "Obama's Waterloo"...they are not interested in governing; they are not interested in people's health; they (and some of the Democrats) are interested in campaign contributions and getting re-elected.

And shame on the American people if we let them get away with this strategy of obstruction.

No one seemed very concerned with rushing to invade Iraq! I am so tired of the double standard.

We're entering out 8th year of the war in Iraq. Over 6300 coalition soldiers have been killed and tens of thousands wounded. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan cost nearly $1 billion every two days.

Surely we can make sure everyone in the this country has heath care.

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30ashopper avatar
SoWal Insider
#37
We're entering out 8th year of the war in Iraq. Over 6300 coalition soldiers have been killed and tens of thousands wounded. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan cost nearly $1 billion every two days.

Surely we can make sure everyone in the this country has heath care.

Cost of War Calculator: COSTOFWAR.COM - The Cost of War

We can't afford all three.
Kayak Fish avatar
Beach Lover
#38
You are welcome.

Having been a single mom with a son for many years and being self-employed for much of that time, I am completely empathetic with this writer. And, she is only one of many.

It is beyond time that the private-for-profit insurance industry in this country is called to account. The current situation is unsustainable, and is totally geared to profit that is earned from the illness of American citizens.

While the current bill may not be as good as it could be, and IMO does not go nearly far enough, it is at least a start...and would immediately help this Mom and her child.

It is completely shortsighted for Americans to allow these kinds of situations to exist--and why so many can not understand that, and be willing to do something positive about it, is beyond my grasp.

It may cost too much, but that will not matter in 20 years if children like this woman's son are allowed to languish and, some die, simply to allow another CEO of another insurance company to take home a billion $$ bonus.

And the drug industry is not blameless...I just heard from a deal friend right here in Santa Rosa Beach...she is also self-employed and was just diagnosed with cancer...her chemo started last week, and Tuesday when she went to the pharmacy to get the prescription for the shot she has to have after the chemo...the bill for ONE SHOT WAS OVER $3600.00...and that was after her insurance had paid its portion!

If any of you feel strongly about passing this bill, I would suggest that you call Congressman Allen Boyd who represents us. He voted no before and says he will again...he is also voting against students getting their student loans without going through the middle-man banks, so that students are paying more and waiting longer....I am not sure who is representing, but it's not people without insurance or students in NW Florida who are trying to educate themselves...you can reach him at 202 225-5235 or through this toll free # 1-877-445-1317.

I completely agree with you and couldn't say it any better. I wish the bill was far different, but it does contain some good things that are a definite improvement over the status quo.
Beach Lover
#41
I think any decent person would agree that health care should be accessible for everybody and in many ways some of it is but it is not taken advantage of. When I say that there are many forms of health care in my community that are offered such as our free clinic, free mammograms, free skin cancer screenings, free hearing screenings, vaccinations at our health department, etc. I have talked to people who have insurance and go to the health department for their children's vaccinations because it costs less than their co pay. My point being there is so much in place now that people could use but how do we educate the populace to know what is out there. Not everyone is proactive. I think everyone forgets that there is a huge part of this that people forget and that is the the providers. Not all providers are getting rich providing health care. Quite the contrary. Physicians are getting out of private practice because they are tired of dealing with the regulatory issues put upon them by the government. As reimbursements decrease, regulatory requirements increase costing more money to the providers. I am supportive of help for everyone but I am hoping that our government will go back to the drawing board and think this through appropriately so that everyone may benefit.
Matt J avatar
SWGB
#42
We can't afford all three.

I can think of two that are pointless.
Matt J avatar
SWGB
#43
Groovy. No, I haven't read it. Have you? Nor have I based my opinion on the insurance industry lobbying, GOP or Teabaggers. Right now, our politicians NEED to listen to the American People.

So you have no real information about the bill, but you're against it?

Have you contacted one of your representatives to tell them you're against it? I've contacted mine to let them know I'm for it. Oddly those "idiots in Washington" follow what people tell them. Most representatives are given a daily breakdown of contacts from constituents and they generally vote accordingly if they want to get re elected. You can site all the polls you want, but apparently America wants this.
Lynnie avatar
SoWal Insider
#44
So you have no real information about the bill, but you're against it?

Have you contacted one of your representatives to tell them you're against it? I've contacted mine to let them know I'm for it. Oddly those "idiots in Washington" follow what people tell them. Most representatives are given a daily breakdown of contacts from constituents and they generally vote accordingly if they want to get re elected. You can site all the polls you want, but apparently America wants this.

OK. :wave:
30ashopper avatar
SoWal Insider
#45
Says the guy from the state with universal health care.


Maybe he's speaking from experience? The current health bills are modeled after Massachusetts system. How is MA's universal coverage system doing you might ask?
  1. premiums have risen by more than twice the national average.
  2. government costs have risen by almost 10% a year, way above what was originally esitmated.
  3. consumer choice is becoming increasing restricted.
  4. wait times for care have increased.
Maybe we should listen to this guy, he's quite familiar with the successes and failures of the system they'll likely vote on tomorrow.
Matt J avatar
SWGB
#46
Maybe he's speaking from experience? The current health bills are modeled after Massachusetts system. How is MA's universal coverage system doing you might ask?
  1. premiums have risen by more than twice the national average.
  2. government costs have risen by almost 10% a year, way above what was originally esitmated.
  3. consumer choice is becoming increasing restricted.
  4. wait times for care have increased.
Maybe we should listen to this guy, he's quite familiar with the successes and failures of the system they'll likely vote on tomorrow.

Could you link to a source on this?

Just got off the phone with my Aunts. One is a nurse in a mental health hospital and the other is a social worker. Both were stunned when I asked them about these stats you listed. Both also stated quite clearly that universal health care in Massachusetts has been a god send, especially for the poor and under privileged.
Lynnie avatar
SoWal Insider
#47
I think I posted the MA stats a few months ago, but I can't remember which thread. I think I also posted OR stats. Coverage provided to those who truly need assistance is nothing but a God-send.

It looks like as of now, there are enough votes to pass, but they have halted on Deem and Pass, which is causing some upheaval. However, Americans are very split and too close to determine true numbers, but are very vocal in DC right now as to whether they want or do not want.

Thirty-six states (Dem and Rep governed) are seeking legal relief for rights and how far the Fed can go with legislation like this. If you think about this and take healthcare out of the title, the Feds are attempting to strip States' Rights.

If this does pass, I predict an amendment for states to provide coverage for all and supersede Fed Law, which is exactly how this should be handled. Follow the guidelines and receive federal funding.

More to come on this massive monolithic pivotal point in our legislative history. Great news on coverage for all starting 2014.
30ashopper avatar
SoWal Insider
#48
Could you link to a source on this?

Just got off the phone with my Aunts. One is a nurse in a mental health hospital and the other is a social worker. Both were stunned when I asked them about these stats you listed. Both also stated quite clearly that universal health care in Massachusetts has been a god send, especially for the poor and under privileged.

Google is your friend.

Massachusetts' Obama-like Reforms Increase Health Costs, Wait Times | Michael F. Cannon | Cato Institute: Commentary
Mass. healthcare reform is failing us - The Boston Globe
Massachusetts: 26% Consider State’s Health Care Reform a Success - Rasmussen Reports?
[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_health_care_reform]Massachusetts health care reform - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
sunspotbaby avatar
SoWal Insider
#49
Maxine on Healthcare:

Let me get this straight......
we're trying to pass a health care plan written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it,

passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it,

to be signed by a president that also hasn't read it and who smokes,

with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay
his taxes,

all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese,

and financed by a country that's broke.

What the h*ll could possibly go wrong?

:idontno:

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