Which God do you serve?

Enter religion, the soul, and devine intervention. People used to say the earth was flat and that it was at the center of the universe, and thunder and lightning were a sign the gods were angry at you. Over time explanations for things seen first as supernatural trend toward explanations based on scientific theory and proof.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_(scientific_views)

what in the hail are you talking about 30AShop! who cares! Didn't you hear who just joined the board?

what in the hail are you talking about 30AShop! who cares! Didn't you hear who just joined the board?

Who joined? Did I miss a thread?

Who joined? Did I miss a thread?

Jesus! he's in the bible/gun thread. and I gave him "thanks" and cracked myself up completely when I did it.

i have freedom of thought, and freedom to choose boar's head deli meat when ordering a sub at publix.

And what is your favorite bread, meat, at publix

You need to try their hot dogs, the ones that come in the plastic and are all linked together. The bratwurst is pretty good too!

Man types and bratwurst - never understood it.

I don't buy into the 'chemical computer' theories as it simplifies things far too much. Indeed our brain is made up of complex chemicals and neurons and synapses that work to process information very similar to a computer.However a computer, regardless of complexity, is a device of pure logic. It is fed data, processes it and comes out with an answer or end result. As long as the data stays the same and the program is unchanged, the answer is always the same. With humans another factor comes into play...self awareness. Negative and positive feedback systems no longer hold sway as being a contrary creature, humans can make decisions outside of the normal parameters of a situation based on abstractions and concepts and even emotions. Sure, evolution has ensured much of our makeup is based on logical constructs of survival, but somewhere along the line we became something more. Consciousness and self awareness take us beyond the realm and predictability of standard systems. Moral and ethical concepts and emotions such as love are much more than a chemical reaction, they are part of our transcendence to something greater.

Dang - nice post.

I think 30AShopper is a he. but I couldn't swear to it.

I really don't follow this conversation at all! sorry! I'm lost!!! no, I won't use the siggy - it is a classic though. wouldn't want to have people see it out of context - addressed to 30AShopper - it sorta looks like you were saying HE is going to hell.. but we know you were just responding to his statement about hell.

what/where is hell anyway?

Sorry, thought you might have seen 30ashoppers siggy that says the path to hell is paved with good intentions. I certainly didn't say he? is going to hell. I have no idea where hell is, but you would think people would know as much as the word is used. Study the bible if you want to find out. The other post should make sense now

I don't buy into the 'chemical computer' theories as it simplifies things far too much. Indeed our brain is made up of complex chemicals and neurons and synapses that work to process information very similar to a computer.However a computer, regardless of complexity, is a device of pure logic. It is fed data, processes it and comes out with an answer or end result. As long as the data stays the same and the program is unchanged, the answer is always the same. With humans another factor comes into play...self awareness. Negative and positive feedback systems no longer hold sway as being a contrary creature, humans can make decisions outside of the normal parameters of a situation based on abstractions and concepts and even emotions. Sure, evolution has ensured much of our makeup is based on logical constructs of survival, but somewhere along the line we became something more. Consciousness and self awareness take us beyond the realm and predictability of standard systems. Moral and ethical concepts and emotions such as love are much more than a chemical reaction, they are part of our transcendence to something greater.

I tend to think that awareness and consciousness might just be produced by chemicals bouncing around, but the question for me is does your awareness of things affect the way the chemicals bounce around which affects your awareness which affects your chemistry and on and on and on......?

You need to try their hot dogs, the ones that come in the plastic and are all linked together. The bratwurst is pretty good too!

i will try them. are they better than hebrew national?

And what is your favorite bread, meat, at publix

dark bread, white turkey

i will try them. are they better than hebrew national?

I haven't had Hebrew National in a long time, but I believe I like these better. They've got the skins, they're very tasty, You can get pork or beef. I would bet Hebrew National are better for you, but that's not the question. I rarely buy these dogs because I tend to eat them serially in a matter of hours. They are not as thick as a lot of other brands, that might be their only drawback. I'll have to get some Hebrew national next time I'm in the store.

I haven't had Hebrew National in a long time, but I believe I like these better. They've got the skins, they're very tasty, You can get pork or beef. I would bet Hebrew National are better for you, but that's not the question. I rarely buy these dogs because I tend to eat them serially in a matter of hours. They are not as thick as a lot of other brands, that might be their only drawback. I'll have to get some Hebrew national next time I'm in the store.

YouTube- Robert Palmer - Simply Irresistible hebrew nationals are simply irresistible

YouTube- Robert Palmer - Simply Irresistible hebrew nationals are simply irresistible

I just remember thinking they were overrated, but I will revisit.

I just remember thinking they were overrated, but I will revisit.

no buns, beer, and dipping condiment of choice.

dark bread, white turkey

YouTube- Robert Palmer - Simply Irresistible hebrew nationals are simply irresistible

A classic, the video not the weiners.

I find it interesting that if Jesus actually did show up in Sowal a bleach blond woman who's face had been stretched and injected into clown proportions would dial 911 on her iPhone, faint, and the "vagrant" would be arrested and escorted to the county line.

I find it interesting that if Jesus actually did show up in Sowal a bleach blond woman who's face had been stretched and injected into clown proportions would dial 911 on her iPhone, faint, and the "vagrant" would be arrested and escorted to the county line.

My ears were ringing...

hey ya'll! You'll never guess who just showed up on the other religious (gun) thread! and I just gave him "thanks".

Yes you did. Thx for giving thx.

I know that you know that I know that you knew I have always been here. Man, that made my head hurt. It's really not easy being me sometimes.

wow, i do worship jesus afterall. who knew.

WOW what a thread this has turned out to be. Hot dogs, hell, Jesus, chemicals in the brain, Annie Laurie Gaylor (I've met her husband Dan Barker - he has such an interesting story to his "conversion".) She can be a bit pushy though. I've seen her in action too.

1st - Jesus - welcome to the forum but.... "Prove to me that you're no fool - walk across my swimming pool!"

2nd - never had a Hebrew National Hot Dog

3rd - Regarding HELL. Einstein said, "I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives his physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egoism, cherish such thoughts."

Personally, I don't see why any benevolent Creator would create HELL for his/her creation - and don't forget, one could be tossed there for a thought crime! We are talking torture for eternity! Come on, this is 2010!!

But basically I'm with Ross Perot when asked years ago about God and he said "That's too cosmic for me!"

Here's the rest of what Einstein said to close out my contribution to this interesting thread:

"I am satisfied with the mystery of the eternity of life and with the awareness and a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the existing world, together with the devoted striving to comprehend a portion, be it ever so tiny, of the Reason that manifests itself in nature."

Now, that calls for a walk in Nature today We certainly have our little piece of Heaven right here don't we!

TTFN
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Oh SNAP - I almost forgot. The Virgin of Guadalupe turned up at MY house yesterday!! That's right. In a piece of wood that I was staining. Check it out!

WOW what a thread this has turned out to be. Hot dogs, hell, Jesus, chemicals in the brain, ...

TTFN
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Oh SNAP - I almost forgot. The Virgin of Guadalupe turned up at MY house yesterday!! That's right. In a piece of wood that I was staining. Check it out!

wow, it is the virgin of Guadal! I do adore the Virgin of Guadalupe and she lives in my kitchen! we also like to make virgin mary toast whenever we get a chance, thanks to the handy dandy virgin mary toast cutter/stamp thingy jdarg gave me for christmas one year.

1st - Jesus - welcome to the forum but.... "Prove to me that you're no fool - walk across my swimming pool!"

Hopefully you kid. It's too cold for the pool thing. Maybe after March.

3rd - Regarding HELL. Einstein said, "I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives his physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egoism, cherish such thoughts."

Personally, I don't see why any benevolent Creator would create HELL for his/her creation - and don't forget, one could be tossed there for a thought crime! We are talking torture for eternity! Come on, this is 2010!!

You and Al are right. And wrong.

Hope this answers your questions. Have a nice day, Gidget.

P.S. That's not the Virgin of Guadalupe on the wood you were staining. It's an octopus I saw on a recent fishing trip.

I don't buy into the 'chemical computer' theories as it simplifies things far too much. Indeed our brain is made up of complex chemicals and neurons and synapses that work to process information very similar to a computer.However a computer, regardless of complexity, is a device of pure logic. It is fed data, processes it and comes out with an answer or end result. As long as the data stays the same and the program is unchanged, the answer is always the same. With humans another factor comes into play...self awareness. Negative and positive feedback systems no longer hold sway as being a contrary creature, humans can make decisions outside of the normal parameters of a situation based on abstractions and concepts and even emotions. Sure, evolution has ensured much of our makeup is based on logical constructs of survival, but somewhere along the line we became something more. Consciousness and self awareness take us beyond the realm and predictability of standard systems. Moral and ethical concepts and emotions such as love are much more than a chemical reaction, they are part of our transcendence to something greater.

Well said. This is actually pretty darn close to how it works. Keep up the good work. Take Sunday off.

Douglas gets Sunday off. no fair.