-Local Development Order Required
-State and Federal Permits Required
In my opinion, this is just another example of people not giving a crap and hoping they don't get caught.
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The last two issues of the Walton Sun featured reports of owners of property on Quiet Water Trail, who illegally filled their wetlands, and they were caught, stopped and ordered to remove all of the fill. Guess what? Today, I found another parcel of land which I had intended to show some customers as wetlands of which they should be aware. When we walked to the property which is usually soaking in water, we found it was filled in with several feet of sand. This property is located in Magnolia Beach S/D, on Indian Grass Trail (I am pretty sure about the name of the street, but it will show differently on maps). The Walton County Stop Work Order is issued to Fraine Development LLC, located in Niceville, FL, and I know that Fraine Development LLC owns other lots in this sub-division. The Stop Work Order notes:
-Local Development Order Required
-State and Federal Permits Required
In my opinion, this is just another example of people not giving a crap and hoping they don't get caught.
Photos are below:
-Local Development Order Required
-State and Federal Permits Required
In my opinion, this is just another example of people not giving a crap and hoping they don't get caught.
Photos are below:
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30A Skunkape30A SkunkapeSkunkyBackatown Seagrove10,329 postsJoined View profileMessageSkunky
30A SkunkapeSkunkyBackatown Seagrove10,329 postsJoined View profileMessageSkunky:banging: :banging:
HopHopBeach FanaticDune Allen2,228 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
HopBeach FanaticDune Allen2,228 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanaticwhat wetlands...if it's still wet...you just need more dirt:pissed: :bang: :nono1: :nono1: :nono1:
John RJohn Rneeds to get out moreConflictinator6,782 postsJoined View profileMessageneeds to get out more
John Rneeds to get out moreConflictinator6,782 postsJoined View profileMessageneeds to get out moreThe bummer is that removing all that crap is going to shred the wetlands even more.
TreeFrogTreeFrogBeach FanaticSeagrove1,793 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
TreeFrogBeach FanaticSeagrove1,793 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach FanaticThat looks just like the work done a couple of months ago on Gulf Drive near Eastern Lake. First, they clear-cut the entire lot. Then, they brought in about 3 feet of brown sand to build it up.
There was a stop-work order AFTER it all got done. But now they are building the house.
Guess they, ahem, cleared the approval process and it was really OK after all to do what they did. :bang:
It's not the same builder, although I don't remember the name.
There was a stop-work order AFTER it all got done. But now they are building the house.
Guess they, ahem, cleared the approval process and it was really OK after all to do what they did. :bang:
It's not the same builder, although I don't remember the name.
GoodWitch58GoodWitch58Beach Fanatic4,810 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
Another situation just off Sugar Drive. The Stop Work order was issued AFTER they dumped truck after truck after truckload of sand into an area of wetlands......now, it is all just sitting there and has been for at least two weeks!:confused:
Sometimes it seems as though Code Enforcement is more interested in removing signs from in front of businesses than it is in stopping destruction of the land.
Sometimes it seems as though Code Enforcement is more interested in removing signs from in front of businesses than it is in stopping destruction of the land.
KurtKurtAdminSoWal2,470 postsJoined View profileMessageAdmin
KurtAdminSoWal2,470 postsJoined View profileMessageAdminI think a post about hanging by body parts which also contains name and addresses (even though it is public record) is taking it too far, so I am editing.
I've seen a lot of listings in SoWal that contain wetlands that are 1/2 the price of dry parcels around them. Usually the wetlands are pointed out and potential buyers are told they will need to do proper permitting. I guess some people buy this type of stuff thinking they can make a bigger profit and, failing to obtain permits, get stuck with the proverbial "swampland in Florida".
Or are they not even trying to get permits?
I've seen a lot of listings in SoWal that contain wetlands that are 1/2 the price of dry parcels around them. Usually the wetlands are pointed out and potential buyers are told they will need to do proper permitting. I guess some people buy this type of stuff thinking they can make a bigger profit and, failing to obtain permits, get stuck with the proverbial "swampland in Florida".
Or are they not even trying to get permits?
John RJohn Rneeds to get out moreConflictinator6,782 postsJoined View profileMessageneeds to get out more
John Rneeds to get out moreConflictinator6,782 postsJoined View profileMessageneeds to get out moreI think a post about hanging by body parts which also contains name and addresses (even though it is public record) is taking it too far, so I am editing.
i understand. obviously i was speaking in metaphorical terms, since i don't think testicles could support the weight of the the body. so, it was as realistic as the county actually levying a binding and realistic fine, also, i can't even decipher the address, so they're safe:cool: .
i love it when you play the hard@ss;-)
how about whacking them in the head a couple of times with the shovel they need to use to hand clear the mistake? still too much?
Bobby JBobby JBeach FanaticBlue Mountain beach4,041 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
Bobby JBeach FanaticBlue Mountain beach4,041 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach FanaticThe typical process to "fix" wetlands on your property takes about 2 years. My client on Lake Drive went through this process and also had to purchase several acres of property to mitigate the wetlands. The mitigation land is given to the state. The property of mitigation also has to be in the same watershed. This can get very expensive. If done properly can be beneficial for the state and land owner. The problem is people do not want to go through the expense and time to do it properly. It seems the "fine" is the easier way to go. We will see more of this as people wake up and realize their purchase may be unbuildable....
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John RJohn Rneeds to get out moreConflictinator6,782 postsJoined View profileMessageneeds to get out more
John Rneeds to get out moreConflictinator6,782 postsJoined View profileMessageneeds to get out moreIt seems the "fine" is the easier way to go. We will see more of this as people wake up and realize their purchase may be unbuildable....
agreed, and therefor, neighbors need to be very diligent.
Beach RunnerBeach Runnerbeats on hoodNear the ATL and in SoWal as often as possible15,269 postsJoined View profileMessagebeats on hood
Beach Runnerbeats on hoodNear the ATL and in SoWal as often as possible15,269 postsJoined View profileMessagebeats on hoodI'm not environmentally educated, so could someone explain the wetlands issue to me? We looked at a lot on Grayton Trail, and it appears to have wetland issues. Also, due to the shape of the lot, I don't see how you could build on it without clear-cutting it most of it and doing some filling, but I know that SJ objects to this. Can anyone enlighten me?
John RJohn Rneeds to get out moreConflictinator6,782 postsJoined View profileMessageneeds to get out more
John Rneeds to get out moreConflictinator6,782 postsJoined View profileMessageneeds to get out morethis article is based on the wetlands of illinois, but the science is the same. very informative:
http://chicagowildernessmag.org/issues/summer1999/soggyplaces.html
http://chicagowildernessmag.org/issues/summer1999/soggyplaces.html
redrocketredrocketBeach Loverin constant turmoil135 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Lover
redrocketBeach Loverin constant turmoil135 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Loverwill there be a testical hanging tree at mayhem? that would be amusing enough for me to piss a lot full and create some wetlands. i'm an environmentalist.
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Beach RunnerBeach Runnerbeats on hoodNear the ATL and in SoWal as often as possible15,269 postsJoined View profileMessagebeats on hood
Beach Runnerbeats on hoodNear the ATL and in SoWal as often as possible15,269 postsJoined View profileMessagebeats on hoodthis article is based on the wetlands of illinois, but the science is the same. very informative:Interesting. I did not know any of that. Thanks for the link.
http://chicagowildernessmag.org/issues/summer1999/soggyplaces.html
I am glad that Kurt removed the comment, because at least one of the owners is a female, so we wouldn't want to penalize only one of the parties, plus, the owners will probably say that they didn't know it was wrong and they are really good citizens. :floor:
Bobby JBobby JBeach FanaticBlue Mountain beach4,041 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
Bobby JBeach FanaticBlue Mountain beach4,041 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach FanaticI'm not environmentally educated, so could someone explain the wetlands issue to me? We looked at a lot on Grayton Trail, and it appears to have wetland issues. Also, due to the shape of the lot, I don't see how you could build on it without clear-cutting it most of it and doing some filling, but I know that SJ objects to this. Can anyone enlighten me?
I try to avoid properties with wetland issues but sometimes there is no way around it. My advice is "buyer beware"! Get a complete understanding of the wetlands by a professional. Then talk to an engineer about what you can build on the remaining footprint. Setbacks can really hurt you here and they do not look kindly on variances because of wetlands.
Beach RunnerBeach Runnerbeats on hoodNear the ATL and in SoWal as often as possible15,269 postsJoined View profileMessagebeats on hood
Beach Runnerbeats on hoodNear the ATL and in SoWal as often as possible15,269 postsJoined View profileMessagebeats on hoodI try to avoid properties with wetland issues but sometimes there is no way around it. My advice is "buyer beware"! Get a complete understanding of the wetlands by a professional. Then talk to an engineer about what you can build on the remaining footprint. Setbacks can really hurt you here and they do not look kindly on variances because of wetlands.Thanks for the info.
John RJohn Rneeds to get out moreConflictinator6,782 postsJoined View profileMessageneeds to get out more
John Rneeds to get out moreConflictinator6,782 postsJoined View profileMessageneeds to get out morewill there be a testical hanging tree at mayhem? that would be amusing enough for me to piss a lot full and create some wetlands. i'm an environmentalist.
we could strap you to a tree, with a rope attached to yours, and a couple of the dogs on the other end. then throw a cat into the mix.
rapunzelrapunzelBeach FanaticPoint Washington2,514 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
rapunzelBeach FanaticPoint Washington2,514 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach FanaticSounds like someone has been reading too much A. N. Roquelaure.:floor:
John RJohn Rneeds to get out moreConflictinator6,782 postsJoined View profileMessageneeds to get out more
John Rneeds to get out moreConflictinator6,782 postsJoined View profileMessageneeds to get out moreSounds like someone has been reading too much A. N. Roquelaure.:floor:
you know, after queen of the damned, i kind of lost track of her. it seemed all recycled and predictable. i didn't even know she did any more until i googled her after you mentioned her, although i sort of remember her anne rampling handle from some years ago.
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