-Local Development Order Required
-State and Federal Permits Required
In my opinion, this is just another example of people not giving a crap and hoping they don't get caught.
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Smiling JOeSmiling JOeSoWal Expert31,643 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal Expert
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The last two issues of the Walton Sun featured reports of owners of property on Quiet Water Trail, who illegally filled their wetlands, and they were caught, stopped and ordered to remove all of the fill. Guess what? Today, I found another parcel of land which I had intended to show some customers as wetlands of which they should be aware. When we walked to the property which is usually soaking in water, we found it was filled in with several feet of sand. This property is located in Magnolia Beach S/D, on Indian Grass Trail (I am pretty sure about the name of the street, but it will show differently on maps). The Walton County Stop Work Order is issued to Fraine Development LLC, located in Niceville, FL, and I know that Fraine Development LLC owns other lots in this sub-division. The Stop Work Order notes:
-Local Development Order Required
-State and Federal Permits Required
In my opinion, this is just another example of people not giving a crap and hoping they don't get caught.
Photos are below:
-Local Development Order Required
-State and Federal Permits Required
In my opinion, this is just another example of people not giving a crap and hoping they don't get caught.
Photos are below:
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KurtKurtAdminSoWal2,470 postsJoined View profileMessageAdmin
KurtAdminSoWal2,470 postsJoined View profileMessageAdminSmiling JOe - there is a reason news reporters use words like "appears to be", "alleged", and so forth. You made the assumption the fill was improper because of the stop work order, but there is always room for error on the part of government and individuals. Please remember "innocent until proven guilty", and please be more careful about what you post.
I don't know what all the facts are but a lot can be learned from this thread. I think Smiling JOe and bfraine had good posts stating their case.
FYI to all - owners/operators of message boards are not libel for what is posted on the board, but rather the person(s) who post the libelous statement(s). But in this case there doesn't appear to be a case for libel since nothing untrue or malicious was posted.
I don't know what all the facts are but a lot can be learned from this thread. I think Smiling JOe and bfraine had good posts stating their case.
FYI to all - owners/operators of message boards are not libel for what is posted on the board, but rather the person(s) who post the libelous statement(s). But in this case there doesn't appear to be a case for libel since nothing untrue or malicious was posted.
30A Skunkape30A SkunkapeSkunkyBackatown Seagrove10,329 postsJoined View profileMessageSkunky
30A SkunkapeSkunkyBackatown Seagrove10,329 postsJoined View profileMessageSkunkySmiling JOe - there is a reason news reporters use words like "appears to be", "alleged", and so forth. You made the assumption the fill was improper because of the stop work order, but there is always room for error on the part of government and individuals. Please remember "innocent until proven guilty", and please be more careful about what you post.
I don't know what all the facts are but a lot can be learned from this thread. I think Smiling JOe and bfraine had good posts stating their case.
FYI to all - owners/operators of message boards are not libel for what is posted on the board, but rather the person(s) who post the libelous statement(s). But in this case there doesn't appear to be a case for libel since nothing untrue or malicious was posted.
Except the libel against the poor mosquitoes:lol:
BobBobSoWal InsiderO'Wal10,368 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal Insider
BobSoWal InsiderO'Wal10,368 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal InsiderLawyers rule the world
greenroomsurfergreenroomsurferBeach FanaticWhere Free Speech Is Allowed1,824 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
greenroomsurferBeach FanaticWhere Free Speech Is Allowed1,824 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach FanaticO.K. boys and girls, let me set the record straight. I live down the street from the wetlands that where filled in. The contractor , the property owner (an attorney who specialty is land development) and the people filiing in the high priority saltwater marsh did this on a holiday, knowing fully well what they were doing. Code enforcement and FDEP were closed and the cops said they could do nothing. The sad thing is, the county will not pull anyone's license, fine anyone, or repair what they have damaged. Life goes on till enough of us ***** and bug our county officials. The squeaky wheel gets the grease so to speak. Last and not least on the mosquito issue, the only time down here in our little swamp the little critters come out is after the spray truck comes down the strret. Anyone disagrees, you know where to find me. MAHALO AND HAPPY EASTER.
Bobby JBobby JBeach FanaticBlue Mountain beach4,041 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
Bobby JBeach FanaticBlue Mountain beach4,041 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach FanaticGreenRoom,
Now I am going to have to stalk you!!! :rolling:
Now I am going to have to stalk you!!! :rolling:
greenroomsurfergreenroomsurferBeach FanaticWhere Free Speech Is Allowed1,824 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
greenroomsurferBeach FanaticWhere Free Speech Is Allowed1,824 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach FanaticIt"s ok Bobby J. I know where ya keep your surfboards hahahahah!!!!
Bobby JBobby JBeach FanaticBlue Mountain beach4,041 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
Bobby JBeach FanaticBlue Mountain beach4,041 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic:nono1: Hey wait!!!! That is sacred!!! Just don't tell Shelly!!!
John RJohn Rneeds to get out moreConflictinator6,782 postsJoined View profileMessageneeds to get out more
John Rneeds to get out moreConflictinator6,782 postsJoined View profileMessageneeds to get out morethanks for that update greenroom, quite a sad way to do one's business. hopefully bfraine can clarify his position.
waltondudewaltondudeBeach LoverWalton County54 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Lover
I am late to this thread but from what I read I thought this information taken from a presentation at a chamber function on affordable housing my change some perspective.
The file is attached, I hope.
The file is attached, I hope.
Waltondude, how has this info changed your perspective? Please share.
seacrestkristiseacrestkristiBeach Fanatic3,538 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
O.K. boys and girls, let me set the record straight. I live down the street from the wetlands that where filled in. The contractor , the property owner (an attorney who specialty is land development) and the people filiing in the high priority saltwater marsh did this on a holiday, knowing fully well what they were doing. Code enforcement and FDEP were closed and the cops said they could do nothing. The sad thing is, the county will not pull anyone's license, fine anyone, or repair what they have damaged. Life goes on till enough of us ***** and bug our county officials. The squeaky wheel gets the grease so to speak. Last and not least on the mosquito issue, the only time down here in our little swamp the little critters come out is after the spray truck comes down the strret. Anyone disagrees, you know where to find me. MAHALO AND HAPPY EASTER.
:pissed:Inconsiderate and sneaky too! SPECIAL :shock: Can you spell SAATAN ? :twisted:
Bobby JBobby JBeach FanaticBlue Mountain beach4,041 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
Bobby JBeach FanaticBlue Mountain beach4,041 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach FanaticI am late to this thread but from what I read I thought this information taken from a presentation at a chamber function on affordable housing my change some perspective.
The file is attached, I hope.
:confused:
I am late to this thread but from what I read I thought this information taken from a presentation at a chamber function on affordable housing my change some perspective.Waltondude, again, I don't understand what you are suggesting. Please elaborate. Are you saying that because there is so little land left in SoWal, we should allow filling in of wetlands?
The file is attached, I hope.
I've never understood mitigation. So you buy more wetlands (unbuildable land) and reserve as mitigation (still unbuildable) so that you can build on the first parcel of wetlands. I understand that is legal, but it sure doesn't make sense. By protecting wetlands via mitigation, you are protecting wetlands which are already protected, yet it allows you to fill in other wetlands, which are supposed to be protected in the first place. Does anyone want to explain the logic in that?:idontno:
BdargBdargBeach FanaticPoint Washington341 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
BdargBeach FanaticPoint Washington341 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach FanaticWaltondude, again, I don't understand what you are suggesting. Please elaborate. Are you saying that because there is so little land left in SoWal, we should allow filling in of wetlands?
I've never understood mitigation. So you buy more wetlands (unbuildable land) and reserve as mitigation (still unbuildable) so that you can build on the first parcel of wetlands. I understand that is legal, but it sure doesn't make sense. By protecting wetlands via mitigation, you are protecting wetlands which are already protected, yet it allows you to fill in other wetlands, which are supposed to be protected in the first place. Does anyone want to explain the logic in that?:idontno:
I will give an explaination a try.
Politics!
There, did that help, or should I add the word lobbyist?
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