Public's beach rights being attacked
Bulletin from South Walton Community Council
www.southwaltoncc.org
Dear SWCC Member,
I apologize for this late notice. I received the agenda for the county commission meeting via email on Friday. It is a packed agenda which I will send by separate email. The meeting is Tuesday, November 13 at the courthouse in south Walton starting at 4 PM.
There is an item that will potentially impact the publics use of the beach and I want to make you aware of it. The SWCC position is at the end of this email.
As you may recall from my past emails, the county attorney made a presentation to the commissioners in which he offered four options for the county to consider regarding the issue of gulf front property owners excluding the public from using the beach in front of their structure. The county commissioners directed the county attorney to research two of the options. They were (1) preparing an ordinance that recognized the ancient and historical right of the public to use all or a portion (e.g., the first 20 feet) of the beaches under the Tona-Rama Florida Supreme Court case known as the customary use doctrine and (2) consider an easement from private beach front property owners for public access and use of the beach. The county attorney was to make a subsequent presentation on these options. As of this date he has not made a follow-up report to the commissioners.
The issue has now been placed on the agenda by a private attorney representing certain gulf front property owners. The agenda item is identified as:
4:40 PM Matthew W. Burns, Attorney representing Gulf front property owners
1. Request the Commission adopt resolutions or ordinances reconfirming Walton Countys commitment to preserving private property rights and recognizing the private property rights which exist with regard to Gulf front properties in the county
2. Request the Commission reconsider instruction to the County Attorney to draft a proposed county-wide customary use ordinance
Anyone who is concerned about public use of the beach should try to attend this meeting. More information will undoubtedly be presented by the gulf front property owners at the meeting. If you cannot attend you can direct your comments or questions to the commissioners. Their email address are provided below.
SWCC Position
SWCC would like the county commissioners to make a determination of the historic and ancient use of the dry sand beach by the public. We were concerned about one suggested proposal to limit the publics use to a specified distance, e.g., 20 feet, from the high water mark. The following is a letter sent by SWCC to the commissioners some time ago on this issue:
Dear Commissioners,
We want to express our concern with the two proposals currently being reviewed by the county attorney as a resolution of the issue of establishing public access over private beach.
With regard to the proposal to define the publics right of access and use to a specified footage from the high water mark (e.g. 20) we feel the adoption of such a limited public area in fact diminishes the publics rights of access and use under both the Tona-Rama Florida Supreme court case and the Stevens U.S. Supreme Court case.
As indicated in the county attorneys memorandum, the Tona Rama case recognized a right of customary use. The court stated: The interest and rights of the public to the full use of the beaches should be protected. The court concluded (t)he general public may continue to use the dry sand area for their usual recreational activities... (emphasis added)
The U.S. Supreme Court affirmed the holding of the Oregon Court in the Stevens case which concluded when plaintiffs took title to their land they were on notice that exclusive use of the dry sand areas was not part of the bundle of rights that they acquired. (emphasis added)
Both cases, and others, recognize the ancient and historical right of the public to access and use the dry sand beach area. The courts did not limit the publics customary use to a small strip of land measured from the high water mark. Why would the county want to narrow the area of the beach which has always been customarily used by the public?
There are logistical problems with trying to squeeze the public onto a strip of beach that is measured from the high water mark. First of all, the high water mark changes daily and in response to any storm. Who will measure the distance and how often? How will the public know where their strip is located? Typically, particularly in the large condos, the rows of private beach chairs and umbrellas are set up as the first tier from the high water mark for view. How much room will be left for the public?
Is this the best solution in light of the projected future population boom and the focus of the TDC to attract more tourists to the area?
The second proposal being considered is to get the beach front property owners to grant an easement to the public to allow the public to use all or a specified part of the beach. If the courts have so strongly upheld a right of customary use, why would the public need an easement? The easement would be granting a right that the public already has. It may also be construed as a rejection by the county of the publics right of customary use. Would the easement be perpetual or would it be revocable by the property owner? Would the public have to pay for the easement right?
An approach that was not discussed is to get the state legislature involved. In 2005 State Senator Carey Baker proposed a bill that would recognize the right of customary use of Florida beaches. His office indicated it did not get out of committee as it was blocked by the committee chairman. While such a bill may run afoul of the Tona-Rama approach which requires a case-by-case determination, it would seem worthwhile to explore this avenue through the countys state representative in Tallahassee. The Texas Open Beach Act has been in effect for years.
In the absence of a state legislative action, we would like to see the county follow the directive in the Tona-Rama case and initiate the case-by-case analysis required to establish the publics right of customary use for each particular beach area within its jurisdiction. The beach area would be a recognition of the dry sand beach historically and currently used by the public.
The proliferation of private beach signs on the beach has increased substantially, even in the current beach nourishment area. The overwhelming users of the beaches are tourist and locals. (Undoubtedly, at one time, many, if not all of those who have objected to people on their private beach were also visitors to the area and enjoyed the rights that they are now wanting to prohibit to others.) This issue must be resolved not only for the economic health of tourism but also for the people who live here and have always used the beach for recreation and spiritual renewal. We do recognize and appreciate that the overwhelming majority of beach front property owners whose deeds go to the high water mark have not in any way attempted to exclude the public from using the beach in front of their structures. Unfortunately, though, the few who have asserted exclusive rights of use have necessitated that this issue must now be addressed.
We believe the U.S. Supreme Court got it right. A beachfront property owner did not acquire the exclusive right to use the beach as a property right. The right of use is a shared right.
We appreciate the commitment of the Board to address this issue and hope that your decision will maintain the current use by the public and not diminish it.
Respectfully submitted,
The Board of Directors of the South Walton Community Council
Alan Newsome-President
Commissioner Contacts
Commissioner Ken Pridgen Commissioner Larry Jones
prikenneth@co.walton.fl.us jonlarry@co.walton.fl.us
Commissioner Cindy Meadows Commissioner Scott Brannon
meacindy@co.walton.fl.us brascott@co.walton.fl.us
Commissioner Sara Comander
comsara@co.walton.fl.us
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244Beach Fanatic
Re: Private Property Owner's Rights Being Attacked
I sent my e-mail to the commissioners yesterday asking for them to please vote public as the Gulf and south Walton beaches should be free to all for spiritual renewal to all who journey to her.
Hope ya'll have a grayt meeting today. Wish I was there to help more. I bet that building will be bustin' at the seams. I am proud of you all and want to thank all of you who do go and fight for freedom of our beaches.
Thanks
sowallers!!!
I sent my e-mail to the commissioners yesterday asking for them to please vote public as the Gulf and south Walton beaches should be free to all for spiritual renewal to all who journey to her.
Hope ya'll have a grayt meeting today. Wish I was there to help more. I bet that building will be bustin' at the seams. I am proud of you all and want to thank all of you who do go and fight for freedom of our beaches. Thanks
sowallers!!!SoWal Expert
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Do you think we can save some seats in advance like we did for Mt. Film?
like waiting in line for tickets to a dead show. better get over there quick. i'm heading over to pay an inspection fee, I'll report back. maybe i'll meet bmbv while i'm there.
Do you think we can save some seats in advance like we did for Mt. Film?
needs to get out more
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scott was just laying out the sign asking people to wait until 7pm to save seats.
Do you think we can save some seats in advance like we did for Mt. Film?
scott was just laying out the sign asking people to wait until 7pm to save seats.
Beach Fanatic
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Should I just go ahead and park at the school at 2:30, make the kids walk home and see if I can get in line then? *half-serious*
Should I just go ahead and park at the school at 2:30, make the kids walk home and see if I can get in line then? *half-serious*
SoWal Expert
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No, make the kids sit there and save our seats. They could do their homework (if they had any!)
Should I just go ahead and park at the school at 2:30, make the kids walk home and see if I can get in line then? *half-serious*
No, make the kids sit there and save our seats. They could do their homework (if they had any!)
Beach Fanatic
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it!!! Wish I was there to hear ya'll. (and finally meet ya'll too) . Thanks everybody.
Hubba and I will be rootin' ya'll on in spirit! Thanks ya'll for representin' . 
















There is strength in numbers!
it!!! Wish I was there to hear ya'll. (and finally meet ya'll too) . Thanks everybody.
Hubba and I will be rootin' ya'll on in spirit! Thanks ya'll for representin' . 
















There is strength in numbers!needs to get out more
Re: Private Property Owner's Rights Being Attacked
help.
help.
Beach Fanatic
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The private beach owners have a legal document issued by the State of Florida stating that "we own to the Gulf of Mexico". That means that we own the beach. The beach is our front yard.I want to SEE that document. Until I actually see that document I wont believe it. I will be at this meeting and if you want to bring that document and protest the public/counties stand on this matter I am sure there will be more than a few people there that will be happy to examine it. I would also like to see the latest survey and the maps used by the surveyor to make sure they were the latest maps available.
Yes, it is a mystery ... and the beachfront folks have the luxury of having the county pick up their trash and keep their 'front yard' clean ... who cleans up ourFOR REAL! I I think I will have to bring up that fact at the meeting.
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Beach Comber
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Unfortunately I can not be at the meeting tonight. My husband is out of town earning money so we can afford to keep our property on the beach and I need to stay in town to take care of my 9 and 11 year old. But trust me, if he was in town, I would be down at that courthouse already, sitting in the front row. I have traveled 5 1/2 hrs. both ways twice before to attend County meetings. If you don't believe that people own property up to the Gulf of Mexico, I'm sure you can go to the public records office and they will help you understand.
Assuming from the comments made since my last entry, the majority of you are for public beach rights along 30-A. Consider why you feel so strongly towards this wonderful area and why you LIVE there -it's quiet, very little traffic, not many people. Great reasons!! Why don't you live in Destin or Panama City? Because it's crowded, lots of traffic-right?
Well guess what? Destin and Panama city use to be just like 30-A, BEFORE THEY MADE THE BEACHES PUBLIC!!!! Developers have stayed away from 30-A because the beaches are private. 30-A is the last horizon in the panhandle.
If the beaches go public, than they can develop all around 30-A. Once they get public beaches approved, the next thing will be eliminating the height restrictions (which will a PIECE OF CAKE next to the beach issue) and putting up 40 story high developments in your front and back yards.
The developers have you right where they want you-you are being sucked in by them.
Keep the beaches private, the developers will go away because they can't sell the property and we all have our pristine beaches back.
Some people like the crowds, the college kids at spring etc... Hey, I use to and I went to Panama City, Daytona, Ft. Lauderdale, Destin. I didn't want to go to some boring place like 30-A, there's no action there!! But now, we have a chance to preserve this quiet stretch of beach that we all love. Once it goes like Panama City and Destin, we can't get it back.
Unfortunately I can not be at the meeting tonight. My husband is out of town earning money so we can afford to keep our property on the beach and I need to stay in town to take care of my 9 and 11 year old. But trust me, if he was in town, I would be down at that courthouse already, sitting in the front row. I have traveled 5 1/2 hrs. both ways twice before to attend County meetings. If you don't believe that people own property up to the Gulf of Mexico, I'm sure you can go to the public records office and they will help you understand.
Assuming from the comments made since my last entry, the majority of you are for public beach rights along 30-A. Consider why you feel so strongly towards this wonderful area and why you LIVE there -it's quiet, very little traffic, not many people. Great reasons!! Why don't you live in Destin or Panama City? Because it's crowded, lots of traffic-right?
Well guess what? Destin and Panama city use to be just like 30-A, BEFORE THEY MADE THE BEACHES PUBLIC!!!! Developers have stayed away from 30-A because the beaches are private. 30-A is the last horizon in the panhandle.
If the beaches go public, than they can develop all around 30-A. Once they get public beaches approved, the next thing will be eliminating the height restrictions (which will a PIECE OF CAKE next to the beach issue) and putting up 40 story high developments in your front and back yards.
The developers have you right where they want you-you are being sucked in by them.
Keep the beaches private, the developers will go away because they can't sell the property and we all have our pristine beaches back.
Some people like the crowds, the college kids at spring etc... Hey, I use to and I went to Panama City, Daytona, Ft. Lauderdale, Destin. I didn't want to go to some boring place like 30-A, there's no action there!! But now, we have a chance to preserve this quiet stretch of beach that we all love. Once it goes like Panama City and Destin, we can't get it back.
Beach Comber
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Here is more food for thought- Consider why you feel so strongly towards this wonderful area and why you LIVE there -it's quiet, very little traffic, not many people. Great reasons!! Why don't you live in Destin or Panama City? Because it's crowded, lots of traffic-right?
Well guess what? Destin and Panama city use to be just like 30-A, BEFORE THEY MADE THE BEACHES PUBLIC!!!! Developers have stayed away from 30-A because the beaches are private. 30-A is the last horizon in the panhandle.
If the beaches go public, than they can develop all around 30-A. Once they get public beaches approved, the next thing will be eliminating the height restrictions (which will a PIECE OF CAKE next to the beach issue) and putting up 40 story high developments in your front and back yards.
Those of you who want the beaches to go public-the developers have you right where they want you-you are being sucked in by them.
Keep the beaches private, the developers will go away because they can't sell the property and we all have our pristine beaches back.
Some people like the crowds, the college kids at spring etc... Hey, I use to and I went to Panama City, Daytona, Ft. Lauderdale, Destin. I didn't want to go to some boring place like 30-A, there's no action there!! But now, we have a chance to preserve this quiet stretch of beach that we all love. Once it goes like Panama City and Destin, we can't get it back.
Here is more food for thought- Consider why you feel so strongly towards this wonderful area and why you LIVE there -it's quiet, very little traffic, not many people. Great reasons!! Why don't you live in Destin or Panama City? Because it's crowded, lots of traffic-right?
Well guess what? Destin and Panama city use to be just like 30-A, BEFORE THEY MADE THE BEACHES PUBLIC!!!! Developers have stayed away from 30-A because the beaches are private. 30-A is the last horizon in the panhandle.
If the beaches go public, than they can develop all around 30-A. Once they get public beaches approved, the next thing will be eliminating the height restrictions (which will a PIECE OF CAKE next to the beach issue) and putting up 40 story high developments in your front and back yards.
Those of you who want the beaches to go public-the developers have you right where they want you-you are being sucked in by them.
Keep the beaches private, the developers will go away because they can't sell the property and we all have our pristine beaches back.
Some people like the crowds, the college kids at spring etc... Hey, I use to and I went to Panama City, Daytona, Ft. Lauderdale, Destin. I didn't want to go to some boring place like 30-A, there's no action there!! But now, we have a chance to preserve this quiet stretch of beach that we all love. Once it goes like Panama City and Destin, we can't get it back.
Meow
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help.

Beach Fanatic
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Just like the land you live on? I assume you or your landlord "own" this land.
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What about the land the American Indian lived on? (Since you want to get spiritual here). They never owned ANY of it. They shared it. Yet they are gone. What happened there? Did they lose their land because they did not believe in the same God you do?
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Ms. SeacrestK, you have succeeded in forcing me to abandon all hope of helping you see the light that you so appropriately "try" to hold in your hand above.
:How can the county take something away that YOU AND GOD KNOW never belonged to you in the first place ???
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"...never belonged to you in the first place."
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Just like the land you live on? I assume you or your landlord "own" this land.
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What about the land the American Indian lived on? (Since you want to get spiritual here). They never owned ANY of it. They shared it. Yet they are gone. What happened there? Did they lose their land because they did not believe in the same God you do?
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Ms. SeacrestK, you have succeeded in forcing me to abandon all hope of helping you see the light that you so appropriately "try" to hold in your hand above.
Beach Fanatic
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In my experience, Slippery Slope arguments tend to be the favorite fallback response when the original argument is too weak.
You are trying to suggest that if we re-affirm the public?s right to beach access then what? ?we will have high rise condos and SoWal will be Panama City West?
Public access to the beach is in no way linked to the 50? building height restriction.
Furthermore; Developers are buying inland sites and advertising access to PUBLIC (OR PRIVATE) BEACH ACCESSES. I don?t recall ever seeing any developer care whatsoever about what people did once they get to their beach access.
This issue is not a place for scare tactics.
Well guess what? Destin and Panama city use to be just like 30-A, BEFORE THEY MADE THE BEACHES PUBLIC!!!! Developers have stayed away from 30-A because the beaches are private. 30-A is the last horizon in the panhandle.
If the beaches go public, than they can develop all around 30-A. Once they get public beaches approved, the next thing will be eliminating the height restrictions (which will a PIECE OF CAKE next to the beach issue) and putting up 40 story high developments in your front and back yards.
The developers have you right where they want you-you are being sucked in by them.
Keep the beaches private, the developers will go away because they can't sell the property and we all have our pristine beaches back.
In my experience, Slippery Slope arguments tend to be the favorite fallback response when the original argument is too weak.
You are trying to suggest that if we re-affirm the public?s right to beach access then what? ?we will have high rise condos and SoWal will be Panama City West?
Public access to the beach is in no way linked to the 50? building height restriction.
Furthermore; Developers are buying inland sites and advertising access to PUBLIC (OR PRIVATE) BEACH ACCESSES. I don?t recall ever seeing any developer care whatsoever about what people did once they get to their beach access.
This issue is not a place for scare tactics.
Beach Fanatic
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GREAT POST!!!! and right on the "money"!!!!
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People, this is it in a nutshell. You can't fight your enemy unless you understand who your true enemy is.
Here is more food for thought- Consider why you feel so strongly towards this wonderful area and why you LIVE there -it's quiet, very little traffic, not many people. Great reasons!! Why don't you live in Destin or Panama City? Because it's crowded, lots of traffic-right?.
Well guess what? Destin and Panama city use to be just like 30-A, BEFORE THEY MADE THE BEACHES PUBLIC!!!! Developers have stayed away from 30-A because the beaches are private. 30-A is the last horizon in the panhandle.
If the beaches go public, than they can develop all around 30-A. Once they get public beaches approved, the next thing will be eliminating the height restrictions (which will a PIECE OF CAKE next to the beach issue) and putting up 40 story high developments in your front and back yards.
Those of you who want the beaches to go public-the developers have you right where they want you-you are being sucked in by them.
Keep the beaches private, the developers will go away because they can't sell the property and we all have our pristine beaches back.
Some people like the crowds, the college kids at spring etc... Hey, I use to and I went to Panama City, Daytona, Ft. Lauderdale, Destin. I didn't want to go to some boring place like 30-A, there's no action there!! But now, we have a chance to preserve this quiet stretch of beach that we all love. Once it goes like Panama City and Destin, we can't get it back.
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GREAT POST!!!! and right on the "money"!!!!
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People, this is it in a nutshell. You can't fight your enemy unless you understand who your true enemy is.
SoWal Expert
Re: Private Property Owner's Rights Being Attacked
Development and its subsequent density ARE part of the issue (mainly because no one wants to share the swing set now that there are more kids on the playground), but we aren't advocating tearing down fences and gates so bikini clad masses can charge the dunes - we are just wanting people to be able to use the beaches as they have for YEARS.
Many of the people who want the beaches to be officially declared public are the same ones who are opposed to dense developments and any change or leeway in the height restrictions.
Development and its subsequent density ARE part of the issue (mainly because no one wants to share the swing set now that there are more kids on the playground), but we aren't advocating tearing down fences and gates so bikini clad masses can charge the dunes - we are just wanting people to be able to use the beaches as they have for YEARS.
Many of the people who want the beaches to be officially declared public are the same ones who are opposed to dense developments and any change or leeway in the height restrictions.
Beach Fanatic
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Thank you, Uncle Timmy!
Where you been?
Thank you, Uncle Timmy!
Where you been?Beach Fanatic
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Regarding surveys, the private beach property line changes on a daily basis based on the amount and elevation of sand at that moment in time. That's why they use the "wet sand" as an approximation especially during the summer when the tides are at their highest.
This is trivial stuff compared to the big picture, though.
BeachSiO2 gave me a lesson on this a while back.
I want to SEE that document. Until I actually see that document I wont believe it. I will be at this meeting and if you want to bring that document and protest the public/counties stand on this matter I am sure there will be more than a few people there that will be happy to examine it. I would also like to see the latest survey and the maps used by the surveyor to make sure they were the latest maps available.I don't quite understand why you disbelieve this. If it were not so, there would not be all this turmoil. What part do you believe is not true?
Regarding surveys, the private beach property line changes on a daily basis based on the amount and elevation of sand at that moment in time. That's why they use the "wet sand" as an approximation especially during the summer when the tides are at their highest.
This is trivial stuff compared to the big picture, though.
BeachSiO2 gave me a lesson on this a while back.
Beach Fanatic
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You mean about the turtles ;-)
You mean about the turtles ;-)

Beach Comber
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I'm not trying to scare anyone-I'm just stating facts!!!
I'm not trying to scare anyone-I'm just stating facts!!!
Beach Fanatic
Re: Public's beach rights being attacked
Well guess what? Destin and Panama city use to be just like 30-A, BEFORE THEY MADE THE BEACHES PUBLIC!!!! Developers have stayed away from 30-A because the beaches are private. 30-A is the last horizon in the panhandle.And just how long have you been a full time Florida resident?
Beach Fanatic
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You are practically hitting the nail on the head without knowing it.
IF the beaches become "OFFICIALLY" public via all good intentions from you and your peers, the REAL problems for our area start then.
Let us assume the county got passed the millions of dollars of litigation that would certainly follow the taking of private property. Remember, it must be decided on a case by case basis per the Florida Attorney General.
How would they fund their empty coffers?
"Hey, I know! Let's allow high rises and collect taxes and help our buds while we're at it! Getting rid of those height restrictions will be a walk in the park compared to taking private property."
Open the window and the light shine in.
Development and its subsequent density ARE part of the issue (mainly because no one wants to share the swing set now that there are more kids on the playground), but we aren't advocating tearing down fences and gates so bikini clad masses can charge the dunes - we are just wanting people to be able to use the beaches as they have for YEARS.
Many of the people who want the beaches to be officially declared public are the same ones who are opposed to dense developments and any change or leeway in the height restrictions.
You are practically hitting the nail on the head without knowing it.
IF the beaches become "OFFICIALLY" public via all good intentions from you and your peers, the REAL problems for our area start then.
Let us assume the county got passed the millions of dollars of litigation that would certainly follow the taking of private property. Remember, it must be decided on a case by case basis per the Florida Attorney General.
How would they fund their empty coffers?
"Hey, I know! Let's allow high rises and collect taxes and help our buds while we're at it! Getting rid of those height restrictions will be a walk in the park compared to taking private property."
Open the window and the light shine in.
SoWal Expert
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I'm more than willing to let the speedy (sarcasm alert) wheels of justice decide case by case challenges to the beaches being declared public...........as long as they remain public while it's being decided.
And we can certainly get creative by making the property owner responsible for the court fees & expenses incurred by their challenge, so we won't need to finance your hissy fit with high-rises!
I'm more than willing to let the speedy (sarcasm alert) wheels of justice decide case by case challenges to the beaches being declared public...........as long as they remain public while it's being decided.
And we can certainly get creative by making the property owner responsible for the court fees & expenses incurred by their challenge, so we won't need to finance your hissy fit with high-rises!
Beach Fanatic
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Dumb argument (scare tactic).
If the county racked up millions of dollars in litigation fees, so would the property owners.
BMBV?.you will inevitably follow the path of least resistance and pain ?grudgingly acknowledging the public?s continued access to the beach and opting not to spend millions (apparently) to fight a losing battle.
????.your only hope is to keep trying to wip up some sort of fear in people that public access to the beach will somehow result in 40 story condos, massive overdevelopment and the eventual destruction of SoWal.
Not buying into the scare tactic. Sorry.
You are practically hitting the nail on the head without knowing it.
IF the beaches become "OFFICIALLY" public via all good intentions from you and your peers, the REAL problems for our area start then.
Let us assume the county got passed the millions of dollars of litigation that would certainly follow the taking of private property. Remember, it must be decided on a case by case basis per the Florida Attorney General.
How would they fund their empty coffers?
"Hey, I know! Let's allow high rises and collect taxes and help our buds while we're at it! Getting rid of those height restrictions will be a walk in the park compared to taking private property."
Open the window and the light shine in.
Dumb argument (scare tactic).
If the county racked up millions of dollars in litigation fees, so would the property owners.
BMBV?.you will inevitably follow the path of least resistance and pain ?grudgingly acknowledging the public?s continued access to the beach and opting not to spend millions (apparently) to fight a losing battle.
????.your only hope is to keep trying to wip up some sort of fear in people that public access to the beach will somehow result in 40 story condos, massive overdevelopment and the eventual destruction of SoWal.
Not buying into the scare tactic. Sorry.
Beach Fanatic
Re: Public's beach rights being attacked
You know when I moved here few roads were paved, no cable was available, no sewer, and not too many people lived here. No problems with crowds or traffic. Nobody ever asked me to get off the beach. By your reasoning we need to get rid of paving, cable, and sewer.
Assuming from the comments made since my last entry, the majority of you are for public beach rights along 30-A. Consider why you feel so strongly towards this wonderful area and why you LIVE there -it's quiet, very little traffic, not many people. Great reasons!! Why don't you live in Destin or Panama City? Because it's crowded, lots of traffic-right?
Well guess what? Destin and Panama city use to be just like 30-A, BEFORE THEY MADE THE BEACHES PUBLIC!!!! Developers have stayed away from 30-A because the beaches are private. 30-A is the last horizon in the panhandle.
You know when I moved here few roads were paved, no cable was available, no sewer, and not too many people lived here. No problems with crowds or traffic. Nobody ever asked me to get off the beach. By your reasoning we need to get rid of paving, cable, and sewer.
Beach Fanatic
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I'm not trying to scare anyone-I'm just stating facts!!!Maam I dont think that you fully understand exactly what is being fought for here regarding the public/private thing. We are not trying to take your property away from you. But with all the development the accesses for the residents that dont live on the beach are approximately 12' wide. They are made to park and walk a long way to get to one of these accesses and then have no where to go but either to the left or right of that small strip but when "Private owners" tell them they cant go past a certain point when they get there it is not customary use of that beach we all claim as ours. As was said before, the county cleans that beach so its not like they are going to trash the beach, if they do our tax dollars pay to clean it. They arent going to come up your walkover and park it on your deck, they are going to stay at the waters edge.But I personally dont like to put my blanket or chair IN THE WATER.
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How can the county take something away that YOU AND GOD KNOW never belonged to you in the first place ??? 