
Does anyone know what the 'bench-like' things are that have popped up along 30-a?????? Surely they aren't benches.......so what?? Curious....?

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1,381Skunky
Looks like some sore losers are seeing red

SoWal Guide
Fear not. We won't rest until the last of the wayfinding(directional) signs are down later in the season. This issue will not go away until they are replaced with with more suitable designs that are in harmony with the Scenic route and feeder roads.
There is a need for directional signs and it won't hurt to endure them for a handful of months longer. We will be working right away (next week) with the TDC on creating a joint task force to reach consensus on signage for the bike path, town designation and wayfinding signs. The important thing right now is the TDC agreed to take all of them down within the year and believe me, we won't let this issue die; how could we? We have to look at the damn things every day we ride down the road.
Dave Rauschkolb
Dave: I for one believe you wholeheartedly. the signs will be removed and replaced with new ones. I agree - the directional signs are a good idea.
SoWal Expert
What a large turn out. I was a little shocked at Mary Brown's complaint that prior to the signs it drove people into her business.Isn't Mary Brown in the real estate/rental business? That just sounds so wrong, but hey, I guess that mentality can help our her competition. I would love for tourists to walk into my business all day, asking about directions, maps, rentals, restaurant recommendations, etc. One day, they might want to actually buy from me. Wow! imagine building your business and helping people at the same time. As the How to be a Redneck guy says, "Bless her heart."
Beach Fanatic
good job to all





SoWal Expert
I am reading that Mary Brown wants to lower the signs to the "correct" height. Is that correct? We were told at the other workshop meeting that the tall signs were built to the MUTCD code heights which require the lowest portion of the legend of the sign to be at 7ft in height. So, I ask Mary Brown, what is the correct height, if the signs are not already at the correct height?
Beach Fanatic
THANKS to ALL who have been working so hard to get these results today!
Your efforts are greatly appreciated!!
Very excited!!
THANK YOU!!

Your efforts are greatly appreciated!!
Very excited!!
THANK YOU!!


SoWal Expert
I don't know how in the world the tourists are supposed to find their way through the labyrinth that is 30A. South: Gulf of Mexico. North: Not the beach. East: Panama City. West: Sandestin. Everything else is within sight of 30A, or it's a residential area. It's not like those are big blue Hospital signs.
(Those look like this, by the way
Even in my early days as a tourist there, I was able to find what I needed without any giant theme-park looking signs.
Good point, NoHall. Mary Brown and Red Dawg seem concerned with the foot-traffic entering their business but not buying anything, and not looking for their rental home. Mary says that these people are coming from other areas like Panama City, so they need signs to direct them to .....
??? I don't get it. If they are not staying here, why do they need to know where Seacrest "Beach" is located? Also, when they stop in for directions, where are they looking to go? The Beaches of South Walton? 
SoWal Expert
For anyone who may be mislead by Mary Brown, who says that the tourists need the signs, I will remind you of the TDC's Mission Statement. Take note of the bold text, and notice it is the first listed.
Mission Statement
The mission of the Walton County TDC is to direct and manage activities that will strengthen the position of the Beaches of South Walton County brand in the tourism marketplace, to manage and maintain our beaches as a primary attraction and as a responsible industry organization to take a leadership role in addressing issues that affect tourism and the quality of life in Walton County.
Mission Statement
The mission of the Walton County TDC is to direct and manage activities that will strengthen the position of the Beaches of South Walton County brand in the tourism marketplace, to manage and maintain our beaches as a primary attraction and as a responsible industry organization to take a leadership role in addressing issues that affect tourism and the quality of life in Walton County.
SoWal Expert
Looks like some sore losers are seeing redThey don't call him Red Dawg for nothing. I just wish he would select a name like orange tiger, or Crimson Elephant. He is disgracing a good name.
hmmmm......can't remember
They don't call him Red Dawg for nothing. I just wish he would select a name like orange tiger, or Crimson Elephant. He is disgracing a good name.:roll:

Beach Lover
Thanks to all involved in this issue for their hard work and dedication.
The surprising vote for me was the Tim Norris vote. New on the Board - had no prior vote to protect and lives on 30-A.
Maurice and Mike's votes I understand - they are both up for reelection on the fire board. They both fill positions by virtue of their serving on that Board. If they were to be defeated in the upcoming election then they would be off the TDC board. But, I'm sure everyone else thought of that. (They are the required taxing authority representatives).
Keep up the hard work - you have them on the run !
The surprising vote for me was the Tim Norris vote. New on the Board - had no prior vote to protect and lives on 30-A.
Maurice and Mike's votes I understand - they are both up for reelection on the fire board. They both fill positions by virtue of their serving on that Board. If they were to be defeated in the upcoming election then they would be off the TDC board. But, I'm sure everyone else thought of that. (They are the required taxing authority representatives).
Keep up the hard work - you have them on the run !
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SoWal Expert
Good work, Dave, Claire, Punzy, et al. I would like to personally thank you all, and to the three TDC Council Members -- Mr. Gifford, Mr. Gilbert, and Mr. Strange, your efforts are much appreciated by many people. I applaud your courage to do the right thing.
Beach Fanatic
Hey Dave....I just got into this as I have been in and out of town and have not read all 42 pages of this thread so I don't know if anyone has brought up the fact that these "Industrial" style signs are the exact same ones that are on the South Walton High School and Government Offices, Library Etc. Except they are a emerald or teal green. Just one look at them now with all that rust running down them should give people an idea of how terrible they really are and would be. I feel like the whole county will end up with Green roofs and the same colored walls as all the schools do. Don't get me wrong Butler, Emerald coast Middle School and South Walton High are clean and well maintained. I just would have loved to see that old Florida look like Bay Elementary. Geez....how did I get off one thing and onto something totally different....sorry!Thank you all for getting so involved in this.....I miss those Small Beachy Wooden Sandblasted ones as so many othes do. As I said, this is my first time on this thread so if I've said something out of line, or rediculously stupid please forgive me!
KatSoWal Expert
Hey Dave....I just got into this as I have been in and out of town and have not read all 42 pages of this thread so I don't know if anyone has brought up the fact that these "Industrial" style signs are the exact same ones that are on the South Walton High School and Government Offices, Library Etc. Except they are a emerald or teal green. Just one look at them now with all that rust running down them should give people an idea of how terrible they really are and would be. I feel like the whole county will end up with Green roofs and the same colored walls as all the schools do. Don't get me wrong Butler, Emerald coast Middle School and South Walton High are clean and well maintained. I just would have loved to see that old Florida look like Bay Elementary. Geez....how did I get off one thing and onto something totally different....sorry!
Thank you all for getting so involved in this.....I miss those Small Beachy Wooden Sandblasted ones as so many othes do. As I said, this is my first time on this thread so if I've said something out of line, or rediculously stupid please forgive me!
Kat
I think you have the right idea.;-)
Beach Crab
kma
SoWal Expert
kma
Nice!
I have a feeling that your post just gave away your identity.Beach Fanatic
For anyone who may be mislead by Mary Brown, who says that the tourists need the signs, I will remind you of the TDC's Mission Statement. Take note of the bold text, and notice it is the first listed.
Mission Statement
The mission of the Walton County TDC is to direct and manage activities that will strengthen the position of the Beaches of South Walton County brand in the tourism marketplace, to manage and maintain our beaches as a primary attraction and as a responsible industry organization to take a leadership role in addressing issues that affect tourism and the quality of life in Walton County.
Perhaps the Mission statement of the TDC needs a little tweaking. I Think so. It is clear there are far more primary attractions than just the beaches along the Scenic Corridor. The bike path, the multitude of state parks, the coastal lakes, the beautiful pedestrian communities etc...Clearly the South Walton experience has much more depth than just the beaches.
Dave
Beach Fanatic
Congratulations to us all!!!!! A defiinite step in the right direction! 
Beach Fanatic
Fantastic! Thanks to everyone who showed up today to keep the pressure up and to all for the hard work you've put into this.
Beach Fanatic
I am reading that Mary Brown wants to lower the signs to the "correct" height. Is that correct? We were told at the other workshop meeting that the tall signs were built to the MUTCD code heights which require the lowest portion of the legend of the sign to be at 7ft in height. So, I ask Mary Brown, what is the correct height, if the signs are not already at the correct height?
Those signs have no correct height along our scenic roads in any form. Lowering them is more wasted money because they will come down anyway. Mary Brown is sadly mistaken if she thinks lowering them will make them more palatable. We will not rest until they are all gone and we have new directional signs. We must be sure to be at the BCC meeting when they give the TDC recommendation a nod or no nod. We must hold the BCC accountable to be sure all the signs come down by the end of the season as promised by the TDC Board. We must stay on point and work to design appropriate new signs as soon as possible.
Beach Fanatic
In my notes, I have that Mary Brown originally worded her resolution to leave the wayfinding signs up through the season, but when Ken Gifford and John Gilbert pressed her to define "the season" she reworded her motion to "until new signs are placed." I'm wondering if I missed part of the discussion? If they went back to the season wording, did they specify what the season meant?
I guess maybe I'm analyzing every word like a lawyer, and I should follow Dave's lead and be a little more zen about the whole thing. The signs are coming down. Hopefully the sea oats signs will be a quick thing, and the days of the blue signs will soon end.
On the bright side, driving 30A tonight, I noticed that each community sign has one for the eastbound lane, one for the west, so there are 18 community signs, and that means at least half of the monsters will be vanquished!
I guess maybe I'm analyzing every word like a lawyer, and I should follow Dave's lead and be a little more zen about the whole thing. The signs are coming down. Hopefully the sea oats signs will be a quick thing, and the days of the blue signs will soon end.
On the bright side, driving 30A tonight, I noticed that each community sign has one for the eastbound lane, one for the west, so there are 18 community signs, and that means at least half of the monsters will be vanquished!

Beach Crab
You know they could have saved themselves a whole lot of trouble and allowed me and my merry band of thieves dressed as Georgia Beach Tourists, tear them down.... you try to do some folks a favor !
Guess we know now who's responsible for the missing sign at the 331 bridge.
Beach Comber
I think it is a waste of tax payers money to take them down now. Bed tax or what ever tax it's still tax money we are wasting, where is the taxpayers association when we need them. one day we will wake up and regret it.
needs to get out more
Try this one:
You have been out maneuvered by the TDC Board.
1. Signs stay up
2. They get a coat of paint
3. Fountain grass planted at the base.
You loose because you do not realize you are in a war and are trying to mediate your way out of the fight.
I predict less than 50 people will show - alot of hollering, screeming and no real plan of action from the group
Thanks to all involved in this issue for their hard work and dedication.
The surprising vote for me was the Tim Norris vote. New on the Board - had no prior vote to protect and lives on 30-A.
Maurice and Mike's votes I understand - they are both up for reelection on the fire board. They both fill positions by virtue of their serving on that Board. If they were to be defeated in the upcoming election then they would be off the TDC board. But, I'm sure everyone else thought of that. (They are the required taxing authority representatives).
Keep up the hard work - you have them on the run !
apparently your prognostications were incorrect. you seem to have a different view now. can we look forward to another change if the wind blows in a different direction? what office do you hold?
SoWal Expert
Punzy, the motion by Mary Brown which passed, included that all wayfinding signs, including those on 30A, would have their height adjusted to the appropriate height and would be removed when new signs are manufactured and installed, to take the place of these current wayfinding signs.
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