"Democratic National Committee officials have discussed the prospect of having Michigan and Florida conduct Democratic caucuses in the coming weeks that would nullify those states' January primary results and award delegates to the national convention based on a second election. Both states were stripped of their delegates for violating DNC rules and holding primaries prior to this week's Super Tuesday vote." http://www.macombdaily.com/stories/020708/loc_n4001.shtml
A do-over!
Yes! I have always wanted to caucus.
Honestly, I think that a caucus would be the only fair way to handle the whole seating of delegates situation.
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36Skunky
punzy - tell me what Ms Harris, Vote Suppression Patroness, did to contribute to all this?You must be a fan of conspiracy theories:roll:
Hey, if you subscribe to the theory that Bush/Cheney/Rove/Harris et al somehow stole the 2000 election, just stay tuned to what the DNC might do if Hillary and Obama enter the convention tied. Hint:The ranks that despise Hillary will swell.
SoWal Expert
"You cannot register at a business address, a former address or at a piece of property that you own."
That's interesting, because I know many people who register their address as the piece of property which they own. I've had an accountant tell me that if you legitimately live on a piece of vacant land for two weeks per year, you could count it as your second home, even if the land had no permanent structure. You could park your RV or pop up your tent. In Iowa, I guess they don't allow people to live on property they own.
That's interesting, because I know many people who register their address as the piece of property which they own. I've had an accountant tell me that if you legitimately live on a piece of vacant land for two weeks per year, you could count it as your second home, even if the land had no permanent structure. You could park your RV or pop up your tent. In Iowa, I guess they don't allow people to live on property they own.
SoWal Guide
You must be a fan of conspiracy theories:roll:
Hey, if you subscribe to the theory that Bush/Cheney/Rove/Harris et al somehow stole the 2000 election, just stay tuned to what the DNC might do if Hillary and Obama enter the convention tied. Hint:The ranks that despise Hillary will swell.
of course they did.
Beach FanaticAuthor
Rumors are swirling that Hillary Clinton plans to put all her money and energy into Ohio and Texas. She plans to go all out in those two states, and emerge with wins at any cost. She will then go to the Party leadership with wins in New York, Florida*, California, Ohio, and Texas and try to make the case that because she has captured all of the big states, she deserves the nomination. She will try to force a backroom deal to give her the nomination.
When you hear Obama talk about this being an election about the politics of the past versus the politics of the future, this is what he is talking about. The politics of the past focuses on delegate rich states, and barely puts any resources at all into the smaller states. So, power consolidates in the hands of the people that can turn out voters in the large states. The Party establishments in those states become the power brokers, and basically pick the nominee. The DNC party chair, Howard Dean, has advocated and fifty state strategy -- a strategy that reaches out to every state and that rebuilds and revitalizes the party nationally and captures the White House for Democrats. Obama is running on a 50 state strategy. Hillary Clinton is basically trying to return to the party machine days, and since most of the people on the DNC executive committee have built up a good deal of power and influence based on the old big state strategy, they will most likely be very receptive to her arguments. Terry McAuliffe and the Clinton machine are about to go after Howard Dean, if you believe the rumors.
If that happens, all these people turning out in record numbers in these states where the Democratic party has atrophied for decades, all these young and idealistic voters, will basically be told they don't matter...they aren't needed...and the politics of the past will triumph over the politics of the future. If the machine wins, all of these people who had the audacity to hope their views might be important to the Democratic Party, to it's nominee, will be quite upset.
That's why I keep asking people to write Chairwoman Karen Thurman and voice support for a caucus. Otherwise, if you didn't receive an invitation to the Drive the Momentum fundraiser in Miami next week, you really don't matter.
When you hear Obama talk about this being an election about the politics of the past versus the politics of the future, this is what he is talking about. The politics of the past focuses on delegate rich states, and barely puts any resources at all into the smaller states. So, power consolidates in the hands of the people that can turn out voters in the large states. The Party establishments in those states become the power brokers, and basically pick the nominee. The DNC party chair, Howard Dean, has advocated and fifty state strategy -- a strategy that reaches out to every state and that rebuilds and revitalizes the party nationally and captures the White House for Democrats. Obama is running on a 50 state strategy. Hillary Clinton is basically trying to return to the party machine days, and since most of the people on the DNC executive committee have built up a good deal of power and influence based on the old big state strategy, they will most likely be very receptive to her arguments. Terry McAuliffe and the Clinton machine are about to go after Howard Dean, if you believe the rumors.
If that happens, all these people turning out in record numbers in these states where the Democratic party has atrophied for decades, all these young and idealistic voters, will basically be told they don't matter...they aren't needed...and the politics of the past will triumph over the politics of the future. If the machine wins, all of these people who had the audacity to hope their views might be important to the Democratic Party, to it's nominee, will be quite upset.
That's why I keep asking people to write Chairwoman Karen Thurman and voice support for a caucus. Otherwise, if you didn't receive an invitation to the Drive the Momentum fundraiser in Miami next week, you really don't matter.
Beach Fanatic
That's why I keep asking people to write Chairwoman Karen Thurman and voice support for a caucus. Otherwise, if you didn't receive an invitation to the Drive the Momentum fundraiser in Miami next week, you really don't matter.
Ahhh...now I am starting to understand. You are much more in the loop as to what is going on behind the scenes than I am.
Now I can see why she is not paying much attention to losing like she did yesterday. These guys are going to keep this sort of stuff up to the point that revolution will be the only option.
Beach Fanatic
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I agree. He is palatable now. If he picks Hickabee, he is distasteful.
I guess I run counter to most Florida Republicans; I'd pick Huckabee waaaaaay over Crist. I supported Crist, but since he moved onto N Adams St, I think there are only one or two decisions he has made that I agree with. His only redeeming quality is that he's a Nole. :roll:
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Beach FanaticAuthor
Ahhh...now I am starting to understand. You are much more in the loop as to what is going on behind the scenes than I am.
Now I can see why she is not paying much attention to losing like she did yesterday. These guys are going to keep this sort of stuff up to the point that revolution will be the only option.
Well, not really a revolution. Just a gentle wake up call.
An interesting weekend, though, huh? The results for Maine just came in. Obama was down by 37 points three weeks ago. He just won Maine by 18. That's +55 in less than a month. Obama may not do it for you, but you've gotta admire that number.
Beach Fanatic
Well, not really a revolution. Just a gentle wake up call.
An interesting weekend, though, huh? The results for Maine just came in. Obama was down by 37 points three weeks ago. He just won Maine by 18. That's +55 in less than a month. Obama may not do it for you, but you've gotta admire that number.
He is energizing a group like nothing I have ever seen. Certainly going to be interesting what all happens between now and March 4th. We all know the Clintons will be doing something underhanded.
Beach FanaticAuthor
I'd just like to point out that she lost VA, MD, and DC last night and capped it off with a big old rally in Texas without missing a beat.
She also has Julian Band, of the NAACP, trying to say that not seating the Michigan and Florida delegates amounts to disenfranchisement of their minority populations.
I assure you the only way I'll feel marginalized is if those delegates are seated.
Incidentally, the delegates will be elected March 1. Anyone interested?
She also has Julian Band, of the NAACP, trying to say that not seating the Michigan and Florida delegates amounts to disenfranchisement of their minority populations.
I assure you the only way I'll feel marginalized is if those delegates are seated.
Incidentally, the delegates will be elected March 1. Anyone interested?
SoWal Insider
I'd just like to point out that she lost VA, MD, and DC last night and capped it off with a big old rally in Texas without missing a beat.
She also has Julian Band, of the NAACP, trying to say that not seating the Michigan and Florida delegates amounts to disenfranchisement of their minority populations.
I assure you the only way I'll feel marginalized is if those delegates are seated.
Incidentally, the delegates will be elected March 1. Anyone interested?
There is no way Michigan is happening. She was the only big name on the ballot! I need to write my Florida caucus letter (now that I've finished the Big Blue Signs letter -- what a week!). I'm hoping it won't come down to Flori-duh though. There was a superdelegate on CNN last night saying he thinks that the superdelegates won't end up mattering as much as people think, that the race will be locked up by the convention. Texas may end up deciding it all.
Incidentally -- speaking of Florida -- if Obama is the nominee, the anti gay marriage amendment on the November ballot is going to be dead in the water.

margarita brocolia
Well, not really a revolution. Just a gentle wake up call.
An interesting weekend, though, huh? The results for Maine just came in. Obama was down by 37 points three weeks ago. He just won Maine by 18. That's +55 in less than a month. Obama may not do it for you, but you've gotta admire that number.
I'm hoping this is the case with Texas' Clinton voters. Not solidly behind her. And I do find that to be true around the lunch table at work. A few weeks back we had 3 supporting Hillary, 1 Obama, and 1 Republican. One of these is a 50 some year old retired football coach/history teacher who was for Clinton, then Obama, and then after listening to her in a debate was leaning back towards her again. I'm pretty sure he'll be an Obama man in the end.
One is an early 30s black lady favoring Clinton but has now switched to Obama. The only Hillary holdout is a 60 year old female business owner and she says she would be OK with Obama or McCain.I think Obama can do far better than expected in Texas! Especially with those who are not solidly with Clinton. And the whopping wins yesterday have to help!
I've ordered bumper stickers for our cars but they haven't arrived yet.

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