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Seawalls, Geo-tubes, Beach Scraping and Beach Nourishment. What is the answer?

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Dave RauschkolbBeach Fanatic
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Coastal Erosion solutions: Seawalls, Geo-tubes, Beach Scraping and Beach Nourishment. What is the answer?

Basically, when the ocean rises due to a hurricane there are three powerful forces at work: wind, rising tide and ocean swells from a storm. The water that is moved by those forces moves in three directions. The tide brings the water up, the storm moves the wave action in and the wind pushes the water/waves in the direction of the wind.

Most of us who have experienced a hurricane know that when a storm approaches and we are on the east side of that storm we get winds from the northeast, then east, then southeast, then south and on around to the west and so on. The inverse would be true if we were on the west side of the storm. The key point is that for a large portion of the time the tide is abnormally high, the swells are abnormally big and the east or west current is scouring the beaches parallel to the beach.

The beach sand is a porous movable material that is completely vulnerable to these forces. Solid structures are also vulnerable to these forces but, more importantly the sand next to any solid structure will be scoured away much more rapidly than if there was no solid structure near it.

Let's dispense with scraping first. It makes the beach nicer to look at but that's it. It is newly pushed sand that has no level of impaction so it washes away in minutes. Placing sand back on the cliff/dunes and planting sea oats provides a favorable cosmetic solution.

Seawalls and geo-tubes are solid, heavy structures. Any porous sand next to these structures gets scoured away very rapidly making the situation worse near them. If you have a house next to a seawall, your backyard will go faster as the east riptide and oncoming waves collide with the seawall. The same is true with the beach in front of the seawall. The impact of the water hitting it and pushing sideways with the tide completely eliminates the beach in front of it. All you need to do is look at the wall in Galveston Texas; there used to be a beach there, now you just jump off the wall into the water; no beach. A geo tube is heavy and more solid than the sand. Any thing near these things will have sand scouring next to them too. Also when the water gets behind a seawall it washes away the sand behind it with the same impunity. Some of you might have seen the photo of the breached seawall on Dog Island I posted after Hurricane Dennis.

The largest seawall in the county is being installed just east of Seaside and it runs from the Wheel House/Seagrove villas and ends at the 30-A/395 intersection and could go further as adjacent homeowners buy on. It is roughly 20 feet high and runs 4 blocks long. Adjacent homeowners will be affected and the beach behind that wall will disappear if we get a few more storms to start the scouring activity. The prevailing winds here are from the east and the river of sand that runs along our beach could soon be interrupted and affected by this seawall.

The only solution to our erosion problem is to focus on getting our beaches nourished by pumping sand back on to the beaches. All of Walton County is being surveyed and the wheels are in motion. All these seawalls will do is destroy adjacent property and eliminate the beaches behind them. Geo-tubes will have a similar effect as the water washes over and around them.

Rosemary Beach has investigated thoroughly all options including geotubes and has decided to push for the sand dredging/beach nourishment option. There will be no geotubes or seawalls in Rosemary Beach. They did decide to do some cosmetic work (scraping) on the dunes/cliffs and finish with sea oat plantings. The town manager, James Bagby gave a very informed talk at the Rosemary Beach Homeowners meeting on where the county and federal agency's are in the beach nourishment process and it looks like it could happen countywide if approved. Jim said the pumping would take 3 days to do Rosemary Beach and would raise the beach 6 to 8 feet and go out 100 to 150 feet out.

The nourishment effort/process has taken its course in the west end of the county and they will soon begin pumping sand there. They are beginning the process for our part of the county from Inlet beach down and there will soon be a stage for public input. The whole beachfront of the county is being surveyed for this purpose and sand core samples are being taken in the gulf for sources of white sand. Funding will be an issue but if approved the beaches will be automatically nourished by the federal government after major storms. Panama City beach has been doing this for years already.

In Okaloosa County 5 beachfront homeowners disputed the nourishment project delaying it in lawsuits for 2 years. They were concerned that the thin strip of public access from the high tide waterline to the water would be enlarged if the beach was widened and people would set up beach chairs behind their property. I believe they are now being sued by adjacent owners who lost their homes in recent storms. When the time comes for public input our county voices must be united behind the nourishment answer. That?s the answer.

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Miss Kitty avatar
Miss KittyMeow
#27
>>Had a wonderful scientist/inventor, Jay Sample with his product...Protectube. I spoke with him at length and listened to his presentation. <<

Did he have a bamboo cane, a plaid jacket, a wagon and start his speech with "Step right up folks!"

No need to research--he said his "invention" will save the beaches....right? (for a pretty high price too, I bet)

On the docket for the next WC meeting: The guy selling Variable Annuities to 90-year-old ladies--don't miss it.

Oh ye of little faith. Wasn't looking for you to personally research this...since it's my money, I'll do it.
Smiling JOe avatar
Smiling JOeSoWal Expert
#28
I think that is the same guy who spoke an infomercial at the beginning of the White Sand Emergency Meeting. I believe Commissioner Pridgens invited him. I found it very curious that he was allowed to speak on the subject (advertise his product) for 20 minutes at a meeting that was supposed to be about the color of sand being dumped illegally on the beach. Use extreme caution. His product may work :idontno:, but I smell something a little fishy.
Miss Kitty avatar
Miss KittyMeow
#29
I think that is the same guy who spoke an infomercial at the beginning of the White Sand Emergency Meeting. I believe Commissioner Pridgens invited him. I found it very curious that he was allowed to speak on the subject (advertise his product) for 20 minutes at a meeting that was supposed to be about the color of sand being dumped illegally on the beach. Use extreme caution. His product may work :idontno:, but I smell something a little fishy.

I'd rather not have to be discussing this topic at all, but when I saw the diagram of the loss of dune since Opal...you get concerned. The website for this product is www.advancedcoastaltechnology.com I'll be pursuing this info after the guests leave. He did enlighten a lot of people about seawalls and geotubes. I had enough education from this board to be able to follow along and understand. Thanks to all my educators.

I would like to hear what Seaside heard today and what they are looking at...
Beach Runner avatar
Beach Runnerbeats on hood
#30
You are asking us crazy people whether or not you are crazy? You definitely must be crazy.
Reminds me of G?del's Incompleteness Theorem.
ktmeadowsBeach Fanatic
#31
Reminds me of G?del's Incompleteness Theorem.
:lolabove: .....the insane interpret the world via their own peculiarly consistent logic; how can you tell if your own logic is "peculiar' or not, given that you have only your own logic to judge itself?" Kurt Goedel

I guess in a nutshell this pretty much describes all of us on this board, doesn't it! :floor:

Beach Runner....I can't figure out how to do an "umlaut" on my computer!
aquaticbiology avatar
aquaticbiologyfishlips
#32
ProTecTube II w/PerfectPore inner fabric
(Perched beaches, minimum beach width defense), environmentally invisible

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT! :razz:

failure! failure! failure!

all that money gone for nothing but - but - nothing!!!

it deflated like a sock full of sand as soon as it hit the water

might have just as well flushed it down the toilet

brown sand beach

better than a seawall

just to name a few
Miss Kitty avatar
Miss KittyMeow
#33
ProTecTube II w/PerfectPore inner fabric
(Perched beaches, minimum beach width defense), environmentally invisible

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT! :razz:

failure! failure! failure!

all that money gone for nothing but - but - nothing!!!

it deflated like a sock full of sand as soon as it hit the water

might have just as well flushed it down the toilet

brown sand beach

better than a seawall

just to name a few

In other words, you don't think this works? We were told that Longboat Key and Vero Beach (1st installation in 1988) were "successes". Give me more info...I need to be informed and armed.
hi n dry avatar
hi n dryBeach Lover
#34
I am going to go listen to 3 beach preservation/restoration experts speak this Thursday. This is open to the public.

SWCC October Public Forum

October 20th
South Walton Library
7:00 p.m. - 8:30 p.m.


*?Defending Our Shorelines From Storm Events- *Beaches, Dunes and Wetlands?

Three speakers: Two wetland and coastal scientists
and one coastal engineer.

They are William F. DeBusk, wetlands scientist, Taylor Kirschenfeld, marine biologist and wetlands scientist, and David McGhee, coastal engineer.

They will be discussing the important role of beaches, dunes and wetlands in dissipating storm surge and controlling water pollution.

*All of the speakers work in our area and have participated in helping communities promulgate beach and wetland conservation and restoration plans.
Miss Kitty avatar
Miss KittyMeow
#35
I am going to go listen to 3 beach preservation/restoration experts speak this Thursday. This is open to the public.

SWCC October Public Forum

October 20th
South Walton Library
7:00 p.m. - 8:30 p.m.


*?Defending Our Shorelines From Storm Events- *Beaches, Dunes and Wetlands?

Three speakers: Two wetland and coastal scientists
and one coastal engineer.

They are William F. DeBusk, wetlands scientist, Taylor Kirschenfeld, marine biologist and wetlands scientist, and David McGhee, coastal engineer.

They will be discussing the important role of beaches, dunes and wetlands in dissipating storm surge and controlling water pollution.

*All of the speakers work in our area and have participated in helping communities promulgate beach and wetland conservation and restoration plans.

I hope to join in on this as well. Depends on when HMM flies in to VPS.
Beach Runner avatar
Beach Runnerbeats on hood
#36
:lolabove: .....the insane interpret the world via their own peculiarly consistent logic; how can you tell if your own logic is "peculiar' or not, given that you have only your own logic to judge itself?" Kurt Goedel

I guess in a nutshell this pretty much describes all of us on this board, doesn't it! :floor:

Beach Runner....I can't figure out how to do an "umlaut" on my computer!
Exactly! Someone gets it! I teach a course in this. It is very thought provoking for my students.

As far as special characters go, launch Word, do Insert/Symbol, pick the desired character, and copy and paste it into the post. There might be an easier way - I've never gotten around to experimenting with HTML character entities (like &ouml; or perhaps :&ouml;: or ?) on this board.

Nevermind. Just tried it. The hexadecimal code works! The code for a lowercase umlaut is &# followed by 246 followed by a semicolon. Go to http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/sgml/entities.html for a list of all of the special characters.

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ktmeadowsBeach Fanatic
#37
Exactly! Someone gets it! I teach a course in this. It is very thought provoking for my students.

As far as special characters go, launch Word, do Insert/Symbol, pick the desired character, and copy and paste it into the post.


G?del! Awesome...thanks BR...I've always thought you had to have a special keyboard for the umlauts and similar symbols! :clap_1:

Bet it's a fun course for both the teacher and student. Sounds interesting...I need to check with one of our our local universities to see if they have anything similar!
Beach Runner avatar
Beach Runnerbeats on hood
#38
G?del! Awesome...thanks BR...I've always thought you had to have a special keyboard for the umlauts and similar symbols! :clap_1:

Bet it's a fun course for both the teacher and student. Sounds interesting...I need to check with one of our our local universities to see if they have anything similar!
Rather than a course, read G?del, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid written in 1979 by Douglas R. Hofstadter. He won a Pulitzer prize for it. It demonstrates the connection between math (G?del), Escher (art), and Bach (obviously music). It's heavy reading, so don't try to understand every sentence on the first read.

OOPS! Sorry about the tangent. I'll stop. :lol:
Sally avatar
SallyBeach Fanatic
#39
From Walton Sun

Imagine a giant mostacolli tube 30 feet around and 300 feet long and instead of cheese inside, it is full of sand.
That is what some beachfront residents are installing to protect their houses from future hurricanes.
Geotubes are long synthetic bags filled with a sand and water mixture. The tubes are buried into damaged dunes and covered with sand to create a new artificial dune.
?Some of these homes are literally one storm away from being in the gulf and some have already fallen in,? Joe Edgar, president of Hydraulitall Inc., a Long Island based company who installs Geotubes. Hydraulitall is currently putting in some 750 feet of these tubes east of Ed Walline Beach. When the tubes are filled they can run between 200 to 300 feet in length and are about 5 feet tall, Edgar added.
A trench is initially dug and the first tube is laid and filled. Then another tube is put on top and slightly behind the first tube tight against the existing dune. Sand is dumped over the entire structure. Although the beach is now overrun with two backhoes and a dump truck the whole project probably won?t take more than two weeks, Edgar said.
The sand on top of the Geotubes will most likely be washed away if surge from a storm gets high enough, but the tubes will still protect whatever is behind them, Gerry Demers, deputy building official for the Walton County Planning Department, said.
The dune created by the tubes will form into a natural looking dune and will be environmental friendly allowing vegetation to grow into it. Turtles have also found the new dunes acceptable.
Geotubes were installed in Galveston, Texas, during turtle season by Hydraulitall. Turtles were found nesting behind the dunes created by Geotubes. Local officials conducted three daily turtle checks to make sure they were not intrusive to turtles, Edgar said.
Walton County residents have been armoring their beachfront homes to prevent them from falling into the Gulf.
The county can issue temporary permits to property owners to install Geotubes, seawalls and other armoring structures. Owners have to then apply for a permanent permit from the Department of Environmental Protection within 60 days after completion of their armoring structure, according to Demers. The county has issued over 150 temporary permits.
If a permanent permit is not granted by DEP homeowners will have to remove their Geotubes.
Residents in the Gulf Dunes area have opted for Geotubes at a hefty price. Sand has to be trucked in to fill and cover the tubes at a cost of about $30 per yard, Gulf Dune resident Bob Jones said.
?We are looking at hundreds of thousands of dollars,? Jones said. He added they will probably need between 10,000 to 15,000 yards of sand to complete the project.
Jones sees the tubes as the best option residents have to protect their homes from hurricanes. Residents of Gulf Dunes are working with the county and DEP to make sure that their tubes will be environmentally friendly.
?We are doing this in the proper way. It will really help the beach and it is friendly with the turtles,? Jones said. ?We?re just trying to save what we have here. I think everybody has a right to protect their property.?
Smiling JOe avatar
Smiling JOeSoWal Expert
#40
Just wait until the seawalls drift down the beach and slam into the exposed plastic chunks of Geotubes. We will have dirt scattered all over the beach, although no one will probably notice because all of the focus will be on the massive seawall debris and ripped plastic scattered all over the beaches and in the water.

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