Scenic 30A and 395 Intersection in Seagrove Beach

Duh...we are special people.

Because? :roll:

There are a few other alternatives, but are not popular with a few good friends on this board. I sometimes wish I didn't care. Those alternate back routes will happen one day because they will be the right and safe thing to do, even though it may not be the most desirable outcome for a few individuals on affected route. Today, I just don't have the energy and time to educate the public on this option or buck a dominate voice. This current slowdown buys us a little time. When the rush is on again, we'll be forced to the obvious alternatives. IMHO.

What about left and right hand turn lanes?

Because? :roll:

You have to ask?

I have really never noticed the light length. I will try and remember and check it out.

What about left and right hand turn lanes?

doesn't work well with stop signs, due to five cars stopped at a three-way stop. Much like WaterColor/30A intersection, which would be a nightmare if WaterColor had much traffic turning north and south.

As a Seagrove resident, I'd say the jamup at 30A/395 is so infrequent as to render ANY investment there a waste. It only happens at the absolute peak, like 4th of July weekend. The rest of the time, it flows just fine. As I've often said, this isn't Atlanta, so what's the rush anyway?

If we just HAVE to spend some county $, let's put up a traffic light and turn it on only on peak visit times. The rest of the time, I'd bet the current 3-way stop would flow more traffic than a light. It sure seems that the Rosemary light actually impedes traffic flow rather than helping it, both on 30A and on Barrett Circle.

I like the seasonal light idea.

I think the County received funds from Nature Walk's concurrency for roads, and they have to spend the money on improving the road in that area. While a traffic light isn't needed currently, IMO, if we look forward when Nature Walk is built out, as well as other developments on 395North, I think we will definitely have a need for some higher-capacity traffic system at that intersection.

Round abouts seem to work very well for people who are accustomed to them, but I guarantee you that most tourists will be confused as to what to do, who has the right of way, etc. In addition, I think they take up too much area if designed properly. I remember Asheville getting a round about near the school. It was their first. It worked fairly well until the fire truck had to maneuver around it. The firetruck couldn't make it, and they had to re-engineer the roundabout to make it work for emergency vehicles.

I'd suggest a cop directing traffic, but that doesn't always work either. Anybody remember when the power lines went down on 98 and ever bit of traffic was routed onto 30A? I distinctly remember this as traffic was backed up from 395 east past Eastern lake.

Before we spend a bunch of money on a roundabout (which we don't even have room for BTW) I suggest people:

1) Hang up their cell phones and pay attention
2) Stop at the stop signs (cars and bikes)
3) remember that "traffic" is relative - yes it is slow and sometimes frustrating using that intersection at peak times, but it's still only 5-10 minutes
4) we should think long term when planning for further growth - another north-south route or connector to 395 would be much more effective at reducing traffic just making traffic go around in a circle

An example of the roundabout to be built at Scenic 30A & 395

http://www.halifaxwebcam.ca/live/index.php?CURRENT_CAM=cam4&SET_CAM=cam4

I didn't think the idea of a roundabout at that spot had gotten any traction. I really do not see how it will work with the bike path (or for that matter, with the serious bikers). I'm inclined to think leaving it ,as is, would probably be best solution. Another possibility would be to pave Grove street and reroute bike path that direction just to ease the congestion.

who is going to give up that much real estate? the house to the south has nowhere to go, so it would all have to come from George and Ebsco, and 30 would need to routed a bit North, now, before V is built.

Eminent Domain!! The County can take all the land it needs for this private project because it's for the public good.

who is going to give up that much real estate? the house to the south has nowhere to go, so it would all have to come from George and Ebsco, and 30 would need to routed a bit North, now, before V is built.

It's the lounge, thus the

Do you dislike smileys so much you don't even see them?

Still, those trees would have looked nice in the center. ;-)

thanks, the peggy's cove cam is most cool

I really wanted to find that clip from National Lampoon's European Vacation to show what the first tourists would look like in the roundabout.

Anyone think that this roundabout will work with people who need "Path Crosses Road" signs on the bike path and "Don't jump from the balcony into the pool" signs in a rental?

Reminds me of an example in the automata theory class I teach -- can you get through the intersection (or can you get from the start state - to the final state +) following some path (such as the one labeled abbbabbbabba) in the "transition graph" below? :scratch:

;-)

Way to go BR, you made my head hurt more than if I laid down in that intersection.

I really wanted to find that clip from National Lampoon's European Vacation to show what the first tourists would look like in the roundabout.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAgX6qlJEMc"]YouTube- European Vacation - Roundabout[/ame]

It's the lounge, thus the

Do you dislike smileys so much you don't even see them?

Still, those trees would have looked nice in the center. ;-)

I've been using the new posts feature, finally. So, I never really pay attention to the area the posts are in.

You knows I loves the smilies...:roll:

I've been using the new posts feature, finally. So, I never really pay attention to the area the posts are in.

You knows I loves the smilies...:roll:

QFT

Is this the first ever example of John R using a smiley?

The suburb just north of us, Carmel, Indiana, has dozens of roundabouts. The mayor went wild replacing all the intersections. Courtesy of their dept. of engineering, a tutorial: Carmel, Indiana Department of Engineering

BTW, they're not hard to use once you get the hang of them, though I can't for the life of me see how there's enough space on 30-A for one. Roundabout are BIG.

http://www.halifaxwebcam.ca/live/index.php?CURRENT_CAM=cam4&SET_CAM=cam4

Looks to me like more cars waiting than roundabouting.

And ditto on the Peggy's Cove cam, linked at the bottom of the page -- been there, sat on the rocks for a long time, love that lighthouse. Check out that webcam next time they have a good storm -- the spray will be just about as high as the lighthouse.

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byeSPOIffVE"]YouTube- Roundabout by Yes[/nomedia]

There are a couple of them across the county line. Easiest one to spot is the 98 access road by the Destin YMCA/Home Depot, and there are more in Bluewater and FWB. Can't say I've seen people have problems with the Destin one.

Way to go BR, you made my head hurt more than if I laid down in that intersection.

Me too!