Scenic 30A and 395 Intersection in Seagrove Beach

I digg roundabouts and it's always funn to be a passenger with a driver on their first one.....or 15th. That one Kurt posted is one mighty big roundabout. LVT, I think you're right; disastrous for byciclists and BR, that's a great rendering!

People who know how to drive them call them rotaries.

I think an overpass should be built. Took 15 minutes from Bruno's to 395 today, at 1pm. Shoulda known better. Oh well.

People who know how to drive them call them rotaries.

People who "know how to drive them" have probably also mastered stop signs, the use of turn signals, and 3 way stops. :roll:

It's a traffic clusterpuck at that location, no matter what you want to call it.

People who "know how to drive them" have probably also mastered stop signs, the use of turn signals, and 3 way stops. :roll:

It's a traffic clusterpuck at that location, no matter what you want to call it.

Well then there's no hope I guess.

The question is: will a roundabout actually fix the clusterpuck? I really don't think that it will. I have seen more "WheelHouse Parades" in the last few days than I've seen in a long time, but I don't think that that particular occational backup is really worth gambling that a roundabout with multiple bicyclers will actually work.

sb, makes sense, but, from now, until labor day wknd, it's going to be slow rollin'

The sad part is today when it was backed up to the Tom Thumb we were moving slower than I've ever moved in a July 4th Parade.

The sad part is today when it was backed up to the Tom Thumb we were moving slower than I've ever moved in a July 4th Parade.

Were there LSV's leading the pack? ;-)

Were there LSV's leading the pack? ;-)

An LSV would have died long before it got to 395. While you enjoy the wide open spaces, I spent 2 hours driving from Grand Boulevard to the Commons.

Traffic light needed

With summer in high gear and the increased traffic in and out of the area, I think it's time someone gave some serious thought to putting a traffic light at the 3 way stop in Seagrove Beach. Sometimes the traffic is lined up for half a mile.

I don't think lack of a traffic light is the problem.

I liked the traffic circle proposal but it doesn't look like there is enough room for one that would be properly large. It would need to be big.

Traffic circles really do help to keep things moving. But the pedestrian crossing would have to rearranged too. Who proposed a traffic circle?

There was talk about a circle a few years ago and prior. I saw a drawing also. I'm sure it went out the window with the construction of the mansion on the south side and V Seagrove.

Yes, there really isn't enough room for the size roundabout that could accomodate an eighteen wheeler. And still the problems of the vehicular roundabout interfacing with the bicycle traffic would prove unmanagable. A concept I have thought about would be to make a large "roundabout" using Holley Street and and a piece of Grove Avenue as one way streets. A bit far-fetched, but hey, it's a thought. The more reasonable idea would be to detour the bike path down Grove Street to take those numb-skulls out of the busiest intersection of our community.

The reality is, that the intersection will remain the way it is, and it works fairly good. Use that time you're stuck in the "Wheelhouse Parade", as I use to call it, to catch up on your texting.

St. Joe owns tons of property that they can't sell. Why don't they build a bypass from 30A to 395 to make life easier for their property owners in Watersound?

The traffic is not a Seagrove problem. It's also a Seaside problem. The people in Watercolor can bypass 395/30A by going down Western Lake Drive then W. Lake Forest Drive. Why can't St. Joe do the same for the owners in Watersound? It would greatly relieve the traffic at 30A/395.

I agree, the vehicle and pedestrian traffic is a huge safety issue. I feel like the traffic lights in Rosemary keep the pedestrians from being quite so careless. Would lights at the seaside crosswalks ever be an option?

I agree, the vehicle and pedestrian traffic is a huge safety issue. I feel like the traffic lights in Rosemary keep the pedestrians from being quite so careless. Would lights at the seaside crosswalks ever be an option?

I have to admit that I have notice a lot less carelessness at the lights in Rosemary as compared to Seagrove. Somerset Bridge Road at the Tom Thumb is like a duck shoot with everybody walking in the road. They really need sidewalks there.

Traffic light needed

What's needed is another bypass from 30A to 98 half way between 395 and Rosemary. I don't know if this is a viable alternative but it would certainly help the traffic flow.

The problem is that the distance from the east of 30A to the 395 outlet to 98 to the nearest outlet to the east of 30A to 98 at Camp Creek is much greater than from the west of 30A. To the west of 30A you can cut through Watercolor to get to 395 or take 283 or 83 directly to 98.

There are really only a small handful of days each year when it becomes seriously congested there. Just because there's a line, doesn't mean it isn't moving. I'd be interested in hearing from a real traffic engineer, rather than all of us armchair quarterbacks.

I know that intersection is tough, but TFrog you are right it does move at a slow steady pace. The thing that scares the stuffing out of me is the spot where the bike/mixed use path crosses 30A in seagrove. Folks think nothing of just strolling across the road and tourists/newbies in cars who don't quite understand all the multiple signs just keep moving. I can't believe someone hasn't been squished right there.

I know that intersection is tough, but TFrog you are right it does move at a slow steady pace. The thing that scares the stuffing out of me is the spot where the bike/mixed use path crosses 30A in seagrove. Folks think nothing of just strolling across the road and tourists/newbies in cars who don't quite understand all the multiple signs just keep moving. I can't believe someone hasn't been squished right there.

Both of you are correct. The intersection does work about as well as it can. I'm sure a stop light would be the worst possible thing to do. About the bike path crossing, since the Bravo is built with parking in the back, it would make a lot of sense to move the crossing further east (east of the Bravo) and design it better where it's less confusing for the bicyclers. I vote for the crosswalk to be pavers rather than the obnoxious paint-job and reflectors thing we got now. I'm not a traffic engineer... I just play one on SoWal.

The roundabout at Scenic 30A and 395 is on the agenda for the next Walton BCC meeting on Thursday (moved from Tuesday due to Isaac). The proposed project extends 230 feet to the west, 230 feet to the north and 1,000 feet to the east. Apparently the vacant lot on the northeast corner will provide room for a great deal of the project.

Engineering is set to begin next month with construction in the spring.

http://www.co.walton.fl.us/DocumentCenter/View/6474

If they are doing this I sure hope they relocate the pedestrian bike path SOUTH of 30A east and west of the intersection.