Beach contamination in Seagrove

I hear you Peaboy, but I see a problem. Greg Graham has given permission ( a power that he should not have, nor does have) to the homeowners to finish any job started before Aug 1, using the old minimum and sub-par standards. .....

This being the case, the county (taxpayers) should have to pay for the removal of the dark sand/soil. It still should be removed.
Then at election time REMOVE officials that don't bother to go to meetings or those who do not read and make sure they are clear on the policies.

This being the case, the county (taxpayers) should have to pay for the removal of the dark sand/soil. It still should be removed.
Then at election time REMOVE officials that don't bother to go to meetings or those who do not read and make sure they are clear on the policies.

Just a bit more info-- at the meeting in Aug, Greg Graham was there, and whenthe question was asked, "who was in charge of checking the imported sand for minimum standards," Greg stood up and accepted the blame. I know darn well he knew what was going on then in Blue Mtn Beach, just as he knew the law after the meeting, just as he now knows that his actions are allowing people to either knowingly or unknowingly, illegally dump dark sand on the beach. I think before the tax payers are hit again, Greg should be removed from his position. If he continues to remain employeed in the current job, we can see a repeat of all of this again and again and again, all at taxpayers expense, and at the profits of whomever is the contractor on these jobs (does anyone know if Commissioner Roe Cuchens has these jobs too?)

I hate politics because it gets me extremely heated and I prefer to lie level like water. :bang:

During the meeting in August, Greg Graham took the fall for the actions of Ro Cuchens. That was very clear. We, the tax payers took the hit by paying for the removal of the dirt.

There were many people who were told before that meeting took place that nothing could be done about the Red Clay. We prooved them wrong. We must request the entire board come for an EMERGENCY meeting. This worked once, lets get it done again. Once these people see that we will hold them accountable again and again, then maybe some of Ro's Cronies will back out on him.

Find out if the house that the sand is going to in seagrove has a wall placed by Ro's crew. If so, then find out if the sand has come from his brother in laws sand pit north of Defuniak.

Once again, Tuck is right. In Blue Mountain, we were told the sand would stay. We even saw Greg Graham tamper with the test results to the approval of the County Staff. We forced their hand by demanding an emergency meeting. Cindy Meadows and Ken Pridgen were great about getting this done. Once at the meeting things got done. Illegal sand was removed and the projects halted.

We can do it again. Contact all the Commissioners and DEMAND action. They work for us..

I believe Greg was the fall guy. But he didn't really fall. It's not his fault because he is between a rock and a hard place.

The results of the last meeting about the dark soil at Blue Mountain Beach were clear - NO MORE DARK SOIL.

Those responsible for the dark soil at Blue Mountain didn't even get a slap on the wrist because the taxpayers had to pay!

NOW IT IS TIME FOR JUSTICE!!! :pissed:

I believe Greg was the fall guy. But he didn't really fall. It's not his fault because he is between a rock and a hard place.

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Fox, you are correct. Greg is a fall guy, but he did not fall at all. He took punches from all sides. If he was not being pushed around by the higher ups in the County chain of command, he would have been fired. Since he is still employeed, I can tell you for sure that someone else is pulling and tugging on his puppet strings. The big question is who?

I don't know Greg personally, but he seems to be a decent guy caught in a terrible place as you describe. Does he want to keep his job, or does he want to be fired and replaced by another puppet? I don't think he believe that the latter is a choice for him.

Greg may be a good guy caught in the wrong place, but ethics should override all. How can you sleep when your ethics have been robbed from you. It was and still is appearant that the string puller on Greg is Ro Cuchens.

Greg may be a good guy caught in the wrong place, but ethics should override all. How can you sleep when your ethics have been robbed from you. It was and still is appearant that the string puller on Greg is Ro Cuchens.

Have you been reading my mind? The tough part is proving that and getting the story in the press.

Have you been reading my mind? The tough part is proving that and getting the story in the press.

Smilin Joe. All we need to do is find the contract between the home owners, the contractor on the sea walls (ro Cuchens) and then the contractor or the person who ordered the dirt (ro Cuchens) Track the dirt that was delivered to these people especially the first instance in Blue Mountain. Wasn't the dirt from Ro's brother-in laws pit located North of Defuniak.

It was amazing how they said no white sand could be fouund but once the BCC ordered it to be removed, loads of the white were brought in. It would be interesting to find out the charges the contractor (ro) charged the people for the sand. was it at the rate for the approved sand 6.2 or for the failing grade of 4.0. If it is true that the rate was for the higher grade and then the lower was brought in, isn't that price gauging? Maybe the State Attorney General should be brought in the loop on this.

If the same is happening in Seagrove, and the same people are involved then you have found the string puller of Greg Graham. It is clearly Ro

There is plenty of white sand available and it's not that much more expensive than the darker. It's amazing how greedy and shortsighted people are. I think some of these owners have the victim mentality and therefore feel that they are entitled to do whatever they want no matter what the consequences. Although I do believe they are in the minority of all gulf front owners.

Smilin Joe. All we need to do is find the contract between the home owners, the contractor on the sea walls (ro Cuchens) and then the contractor or the person who ordered the dirt (ro Cuchens) Track the dirt that was delivered to these people especially the first instance in Blue Mountain. Wasn't the dirt from Ro's brother-in laws pit located North of Defuniak.

It was amazing how they said no white sand could be fouund but once the BCC ordered it to be removed, loads of the white were brought in. It would be interesting to find out the charges the contractor (ro) charged the people for the sand. was it at the rate for the approved sand 6.2 or for the failing grade of 4.0. If it is true that the rate was for the higher grade and then the lower was brought in, isn't that price gauging? Maybe the State Attorney General should be brought in the loop on this.

If the same is happening in Seagrove, and the same people are involved then you have found the string puller of Greg Graham. It is clearly Ro

I don't know that Roe has a brother-in-law in the dirt business. I heard that rumor a while back, but Roe denies it. I don't know his family, and therefore have not repeated that rumor. Do you know for certain?

How does one go about finding out who has the contract to place the seawalls? The homeowners won't tell you, and Roe probably would not be a reliable source.

There is plenty of white sand available and it's not that much more expensive than the darker. It's amazing how greedy and shortsighted people are. I think some of these owners have the victim mentality and therefore feel that they are entitled to do whatever they want no matter what the consequences. Although I do believe they are in the minority of all gulf front owners.

Fox, again, you are correct. These violaters are in the minority. I see numerous Gulf front owners who want to obey the rules, and they are more than willing to pay for it, even though it is very expensive to do any repair work of the sort. There are good people on this very Board who do obide by the laws and they, as I believe Rita once said, are to be commended for giving a crap. I have seen plenty examples of white sand, used for fill, up and down the beach. The violaters need to be stopped, and the rules should be enforced. Without enforcement, what good are rules?


I would like for anyone receiving a reply email on this topic from a County Commissioner to post it here. I have not seen a reply. Since Cindy Meadows, whom I think of as a good gal, was refered to in specific by Greg Graham as being in agreement of letting this continue, I am very interested in learning her response. Is Greg just throwing her name out there to get people off Roe's back? I need to know.

>>How does one go about finding out who has the contract to place the seawalls?

DEP requires the info for the permit - but would they say who it was?

Also if he is at all intelligent he will have shill companies to distance him from any actual work/lawsuits since walton county dosent even require a business license (what a wonderful place to relocate a shady company! - even better than nevada!)

Just a bit more info-- at the meeting in Aug, Greg Graham was there, and whenthe question was asked, "who was in charge of checking the imported sand for minimum standards," Greg stood up and accepted the blame. I know darn well he knew what was going on then in Blue Mtn Beach, just as he knew the law after the meeting, just as he now knows that his actions are allowing people to either knowingly or unknowingly, illegally dump dark sand on the beach. I think before the tax payers are hit again, Greg should be removed from his position. If he continues to remain employeed in the current job, we can see a repeat of all of this again and again and again, all at taxpayers expense, and at the profits of whomever is the contractor on these jobs (does anyone know if Commissioner Roe Cuchens has these jobs too?)

I hate politics because it gets me extremely heated and I prefer to lie level like water. :bang:

Thanks SJ,
We owners/taxpayers who are not fortunate enough to be living there at this time really appreciate you and the others fighting the good fight! :bang: