Walton Deputies To Unionize.

Beach Fanatic

Oct 21, '08 · 2:18 PM59,939

Congrats my fellow public servants. I want to encourage you to vote yes when the time comes. Don't let the comments sway you from protecting your job. I have read what Mike Adkinson has said and if he really had any realistic knowledge he would know that if he is elected he will be involved in the negotiations. At least he has said he is not ANTI-UNION which will concern the Republican Party which seems to have problems with UNIONS. Mike was even a member for 13 years, so hopefully, should he win the election, he will be more apt to work with LABOR than against them. Hopefully Danny will also be on thed same page as to working with LABOR than fighting with them. Had the politicians been addressing the concerns of those who worked for them maybe they would not be in this situation. Lets look at some events that may have caused the employees to consider UNIONIZING.
1> Being charged $100 a month for driving there vehicle home. I know that was recinded, but if they could have they would have.
2> Not being compensated for hours worked. As I understand, Deputies are compensated for overtime with Compensatory Time but are limited in using it which I understand that to be a violation of the FLSA. I had a friend who retired and had a large amount of comp time he lost when he retired. NOT FAIR TO HIM OR HIS FAMILY.
3> 2 Female Deputies basically terminated for being pregnant.
These are just the things that I know of and am sure there are other HORROR Stories going back farther than Ralph or even Quinn.
Brothers and Sisters, I'll stand with you for equitable treatment, fair pay and just cause. Take the politics out of who gets promoted, or who gets the plum assignments and at least start having a say in those things you can have a hand in changing.

Edited Oct 21, '08 · 2:22 PM

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Beach Lover

Jan 10, '09 · 8:23 PM#402

Also management can still fire anyone who is not a good employee in a union. All they haft to do is document the employee problems. This may take a little longer but showes that the employee was given a chance.

I think the last 2 SO employees that was fired could have been fired it and when they were found guilty of the crime and it seams that there is enough to convict them.

But with the other one was set up by some employees that did not like him and was promoted over them. He was a Sgt. at teh SO. I still think that the other officers did not do their job and thet still have a job. Why keep a deputy on the payroll when be botches up a simple DUI case and the judge throws it out??

I would rather have a deputy on the street that may speed a little (and EVERYONE speeds at one time or another) rather than paying a deputy who can not get a simple DUI case right.

I agree with FF2 about the deputies speeding in their cars. They pass me all the time speeding

Beach FanaticAuthor

Jan 10, '09 · 9:13 PM#403

Thanks Creeklover for the info, but the list is just for on duty instance. I have heard that there may be one coming out to prohibit what is now permissive off duty. I also wonder if these former Deputies had any work related issues along the lines listed. I am also curious when the deputy had his crash off duty at 331, if the investigating deputy or supervisor were the same that were involved in Cullens case? I am not accusing but am curious whether a double standard is shown.

Beach Lover

Jan 10, '09 · 9:15 PM#404

Oh yea i almost forgot about the accident there. I think he was fired???

SoWal Expert

Jan 10, '09 · 9:20 PM#405

FF2 - I know I seem to view unions in an overly unfavorable light, but that is from years of prolonged exposure to them and their shortcomings. They long ago ceased to protect the small guy or the hard worker and now just line pockets and prevent needed reform or discipline - in our schools, factories, sheriff's departments, and many other places.

I would much rather vote for additional legal employment protections for the WCSO staff than open the union can of worms at a time when we are hopefully getting needed reforms in the department. Please do not confuse my wish for less bureaucracy and protections for those who do wrong with a lack of support for the employees.

One of the reasons I am optimistic about the new administration is because I want better treatment for the employees - but that doesn't extend to those law enforcement personnel BREAKING THE LAW! Yes, as law enforcement personnel whose job is to enforce the law you are held to the uber-high standard of NOT breaking the law. :roll:

Beach FanaticAuthor

Jan 11, '09 · 12:12 PM#406

Scooter
Although I do understand your view and even accept your reasoning evn if I can't agree, I appreciate most the idea that you seek even by different methods fair treatment for our employees. As for the uber standard, I'm afraid you'll find us all lacking in some respect. We trust people with our money and we get screwed, we trust those we elect to do the right thing but they are influenced by the special interst, we seek guidance from religon and find those in leadership are failing also. People are people, they have failings and sometimes they are no different than us mere mortals.

Beach Lover

Jan 11, '09 · 11:40 PM#407

Thanks Creeklover for the info, but the list is just for on duty instance. I have heard that there may be one coming out to prohibit what is now permissive off duty. I also wonder if these former Deputies had any work related issues along the lines listed. I am also curious when the deputy had his crash off duty at 331, if the investigating deputy or supervisor were the same that were involved in Cullens case? I am not accusing but am curious whether a double standard is shown.

Yes but they could wrute anything they could agree on into the contract.

Does Police have a Bill of Rights????

Beach FanaticAuthor

Jan 12, '09 · 6:15 AM#408

I am not sure whether there is a Police Bill of Rights, but if they were anything like the FF Bill of Rights it would be for investigative and disciplinary. I think you can write anything that is agreeable into the contract that does not violate State or Federal law. I believe you can also write language that if something is found to be illegal by the courts, the article opens up for renegotiations.

Beach Comber

Jan 23, '09 · 10:05 AM#409

defeated!

Beach Fanatic

Jan 23, '09 · 11:23 AM#410

defeated!

Care to explain? What is defeated, the South, Oklahoma, McCain, Saddam????? :blink:

Beach FanaticAuthor

Jan 23, '09 · 12:36 PM#411

I think what JB1 was referring to was that the Union was defeated at WCSO. For those keeping a tally, there were 128 eligible, 50 voted no, 20 voted yes. That was as of 1/22/09 according to the PERC website. Better luck next year, maybe the Teamsters will come in and chat with the Deputies. I am curious, can any Deputy tell me how many of the 220 employees are road Deputies and what the rest of these employees do?

Beach Fanatic

Jan 23, '09 · 3:56 PM#412

defeated!

Another victory for freedom in the work place.

Beach Lover

Jan 23, '09 · 6:51 PM#413

We will see by this time next year if they wont the union in place. I hear more firing are under way and some are just buying time till retirement..

Beach Fanatic

Jan 23, '09 · 9:08 PM#414

We will see by this time next year if they wont the union in place. I hear more firing are under way and some are just buying time till retirement..

Firing under way? What in the world does that mean? Does not take long to tell someone to go home.

Beach Fanatic

Jan 25, '09 · 11:51 AM#415

We will see by this time next year if they wont the union in place. I hear more firing are under way and some are just buying time till retirement..

Jobs are hard to come by right now and I hate to see anyone lose a job, especially one they have had for years. That said, the firings I have heard about since the new Sheriff took over were deserved. If you know different, share it with us. :idontno: