Vote yes on 2

The importance for our society to define marriage as one man one woman is incalculable. The failure to pass this amendment opens the door to all sorts of other "unions" that society has always considered as harmful to the group as a whole. Once you open the door, you cannot stop any of them. I have no problem with contracts and power of attorney between whomever, but marriage must be reserved for one man- one woman.

Trying to keep "yes" ahead of "no."

The importance for our society to define marriage as one man one woman is incalculable. The failure to pass this amendment opens the door to all sorts of other "unions" that society has always considered as harmful to the group as a whole. Once you open the door, you cannot stop any of them. I have no problem with contracts and power of attorney between whomever, but marriage must be reserved for one man- one woman.

Actually this amendment seeks to nulify contracts and powers of attorney. It will affect more than just gay people. Have you actually read the amendment?

Oh and the argument that it leads to other types of marriage is bogus. Of course that same argument was used when the right for white and african american people to marry was an issue.

That is not my interpretation of the ammendment. The lack of the amendment will open the door to things that no civilized person wants. The simple truth is that the amendment preserves the status quo. Things have worked out pretty good for our society so far so the status quo is good.

A 'yes' vote on amendment 2 is a vote FOR obtuse government.

The lack of the amendment will open the door to things that no civilized person wants.

Idlewind. Please. You believe your above statement?? Is civilization in jeopardy?

The importance for our society to define marriage as one man one woman is incalculable. The failure to pass this amendment opens the door to all sorts of other "unions" that society has always considered as harmful to the group as a whole. Once you open the door, you cannot stop any of them. I have no problem with contracts and power of attorney between whomever, but marriage must be reserved for one man- one woman.

Copying & pasting my response to you from another thread:

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I have to respectfully disagree back. The whole "If you open the door" argument is not feasible, in my opinion. Marginalizing gay marriage out of fear that suddenly sisters and brothers will be marrying is just that: fear.

That was probably the argument in keeping interracial marriages illegal also. All kinds of chaos would happen when you allow blacks & whites to marry. Decades later, is it such a big deal at all? Nope, except for those who still have the tendency to have racist thoughts and values. IMO, the same thing will happen if the ban on gay marriage is removed. Gay marriage will be a non-issue, except to those still harbouring homophobic values.

That is not my interpretation of the ammendment. The lack of the amendment will open the door to things that no civilized person wants. The simple truth is that the amendment preserves the status quo. Things have worked out pretty good for our society so far so the status quo is good.

Thing is, your interpretation and my interpretation of the amendment doesn't matter. It's the court's interpretation that matters and state supreme courts in multiple other states have said exactly that similar wording as the Florida proposal did indeed invalidate domestic partnership and benefits agreements among straight couples as well as gay couples.

As far as the failure of the amendment ending civilization as we know it, hey, we hold the Greeks up as one of the great civilizations of ancient times and look where they differed from what many people today think of as traditional family values.

Actually this amendment seeks to nulify contracts and powers of attorney. It will affect more than just gay people. Have you actually read the amendment?

Oh and the argument that it leads to other types of marriage is bogus. Of course that same argument was used when the right for white and african american people to marry was an issue.

It affects a whole lot more than just gay people. There was a discussion on NPR 2 weeks ago about it. Here's another link to who it will affect:

http://www.knowmyrights.org/index.p...=21:amendments-rights-and-liberties&Itemid=21

It affects a whole lot more than just gay people. There was a whoe dicussion on NPR 2 weeks ago about it. Here's another link to who it will affect:

http://www.knowmyrights.org/index.p...=21:amendments-rights-and-liberties&Itemid=21

The people voting "yes on 2" don't want to hear any of this. But you are optimistic to think that they might read and understand it.;-)

Here you go:

Florida Proposition #2 PDF Print E-mail
Written by ACLU - Florida
Saturday, 27 September 2008 01:36

There are only four and a half weeks until the polls close in Florida, and our work to defeat proposed Amendment 2 is in full swing. If Amendment 2 passes, it would dramatically impact unmarried straight couples, including many seniors, who represent a significant portion of the 360,000 cohabitating couples in Florida. Without domestic partnership registries, partners who have not gone through a more complex and costly process of executing additional legal documents are, in the eyes of the law, strangers to each other. The impact on seniors is particularly significant given the crucial healthcare and other decisions that one partner may be making for the other partner in the later years of life.

One very important element of our campaign to defeat Amendment 2 in Florida is the collection of stories from Floridians. We need to put a name and face to our campaign whenever possible. In particular, we invite those who have enrolled on a local domestic partnership registry, especially seniors, to write to us about your story.

Many seniors who chose not to remarry in order to avoid the loss of social security and pensions from a previous marriage have enrolled on a local domestic partnership registry. Currently the following Florida cities and counties have domestic partnership registries:

* Gainesville
* Key West
* Miami Beach
* West Palm Beach
* Palm Beach County
* Broward County

The people voting "yes on 2" don't want to hear any of this. But you are optimistic to think that they might read and understand it.;-)

Not optimistic at all. It's something I feel strongly about and simply feel that the facts need to be out there, whether heard or not.

My lack of optimism goes back to my opinion that you can't change people's minds about such subjects.... BUT I do feel that people can change if/when they are ready.

Not optimistic at all. It's something I feel strongly about and simply feel that the facts need to be out there, whether heard or not.

My lack of optimism goes back to my opinion that you can't change people's minds about such subjects.... BUT I do feel that people can change if/when they are ready.

Then you are waaay more optimistic than me! Ah, the downside of a message board- reading things that make you go "OMG!!!! People really think that in 2008?":shock:

Regardless of how you feel about #2, it is a shame that seniors cannot marry in order to preserve pensions and benefits that they have earned.

Regardless of how you feel about #2, it is a shame that seniors cannot marry in order to preserve pensions and benefits that they have earned.

Here's another way to look at your argument: If these seniors (or others who lost a spouse through death or divorce) were allowed to remarry and keep their former spouse's benefits, pensions, etc. then wouldn't that destroy the sanctity of marriage also? Heck, some people might think of it as a great profession. Others might not think twice about getting a divorce because they can keep the money no matter what. And others might think of getting rid of their spouses altogether because they can just remarry and start all over with no penalties.

Then you are waaay more optimistic than me! Ah, the downside of a message board- reading things that make you go "OMG!!!! People really think that in 2008?":shock:

I might not be much of an optimist in this category, but I will choose to remain an optimist in most areas of my life.

Is this boat half afloat or half sunk? No on all 5 amendments. Lawyers and well paid lobbyist are at the root of these amendments changes.

Gay marriage will be a non-issue, except to those still harbouring homophobic values



I think Murder is wrong am I harbouring murderaphpbic values?, or do I just have values?

Gay marriage will be a non-issue, except to those still harbouring homophobic values



I think Murder is wrong am I harbouring murderaphpbic values?, or do I just have values?

I think God addressed murder unambiguously in the 10 Commandments. I think our founding fathers addressed it pretty well under the concept of 'life, liberty and pursuit of happiness'. Neither weighed in on 'gay marriage'...I wonder why:scratch:

I think God addressed murder unambiguously in the 10 Commandments. I think our founding fathers addressed it pretty well under the concept of 'life, liberty and pursuit of happiness'. Neither weighed in on 'gay marriage'...I wonder why:scratch:

Are you seroiuse GOD doesnt Adress Homosexuality? Dont miss lead the readers please. God adresses homosexuality and his point is very clear on that. GOD also adresses those whom mislead aswell in the Bible. Remember what was said about the millstone.

leviticus 18 :22 No man is to have sexual relations with another Man: GOD hates that. ( meaning that GOD hates that sin, he still loves you!)

Ok in Mark 10:6 JESUS SAYS:
6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
10 And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter.

Ok there it is JESUS said it!


IN OTHER WORDS VOTE YES ON #2 EVEN JESUS SAYS MARRIAGE IS FOR A MAN AND WOMAN!!!!!!

What a shame that you believe in a god who hates anything. My God is incapable of hate.

Are you seroiuse GOD doesnt Adress Homosexuality? Dont miss lead the readers please. God adresses homosexuality and his point is very clear on that. GOD also adresses those whom mislead aswell in the Bible. Remember what was said about the millstone.

leviticus 18 :22 No man is to have sexual relations with another Man: GOD hates that. ( meaning that GOD hates that sin, he still loves you!)

Ok in Mark 10:6 JESUS SAYS:
6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
10 And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter.

Ok there it is JESUS said it!


IN OTHER WORDS VOTE YES ON #2 EVEN JESUS SAYS MARRIAGE IS FOR A MAN AND WOMAN!!!!!!

Leviticus 20:13 says that homosexuals should be put to death for the act. Do you agree?
"The penalty for homosexual acts is death to both parties. They have brought it upon themselves."

The penalty for being born is death. Might as well do who ya like.

what a shame that you believe in a god who hates anything. My god is incapable of hate.

its there in black and white look it up it says god hates that ..... Geesh. Its says GOD hates that as in he hates that ACT!!!!

Leviticus 18:22 (New King James Version)

New King James Version (NKJV) Copyright ? 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc.


22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.

'You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.

GOD'S WORD? Translation (?1995)
Never have sexual intercourse with a man as with a woman. It is disgusting.
King James Bible
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
American King James Version
You shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
American Standard Version
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Bible in Basic English
You may not have sex relations with men, as you do with women: it is a disgusting thing.
Douay-Rheims Bible
Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind, because it is an abomination.
Darby Bible Translation
And thou shalt not lie with mankind as one lieth with a woman: it is an abomination.
English Revised Version
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Webster's Bible Translation
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
World English Bible
"'You shall not lie with a man, as with a woman. That is detestable. Young's Literal Translation
And with a male thou dost not lie as one lieth with a woman; abomination it is.

Leviticus 20:13 says that homosexuals should be put to death for the act. Do you agree?
"The penalty for homosexual acts is death to both parties. They have brought it upon themselves."

It is death, same as any other sin that you do not turn from. Its not up to me to agree. Its GODS law I just have to obey it.