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1. Vote No On 2 because it Takes Away Benefits
Amendment 2 would take away important family protections, including health care insurance and hospital visitation from all unmarried Floridians. The Florida Legislature's own analysis warns that this amendment: "... could place (domestic partnerships) at risk of losing specified rights and benefits, such as those related to health insurance."
2. Vote No On 2 because it Hurts Seniors
Amendment 2 would hurt Florida's large senior population by taking away partnership rights of widowed seniors, like health care and end-of-life decision making. The AARP and Florida Alliance for Retired Americans have spoken out against these kinds of dangerous amendments.
3. Vote No On 2 because EVERY Major Florida Daily Newspaper is Opposed to Amendment 2 - Newspapers across the political spectrum whose editorial boards rarely agree on politics have come out strongly opposed to Amendment 2. (read them)
4. Vote No On 2 because Discrimination Doesn't Belong in the Florida Constitution
The constitution should protect all of us from government intrusion and discrimination. This amendment would embed discrimination against unmarried people into our state constitution for generations to come.
5. Vote No On 2 because Hurting Families Doesn't "Protect" Anyone's Marriage
Despite the name "Marriage Protection Amendment" this measure does NOTHING to help curb the divorce rate or strengthen marriage. It only scapegoats unmarried partners and strips them of vital health benefits.
6. Vote No On 2 because it Permits Massive Government Intrusion
Amendment 2 puts the government where it doesn't belong - regulating the personal relationships of Floridians. Government should not make it harder for people to take care of their loved ones.
7. Vote No On 2 and Avoid Hiring Expensive Lawyers
Amendment 2 could force unmarried Floridians to hire expensive private lawyers just to be able to see each other in the hospital.
8. Vote No On 2 because It's Already Hard Enough for Families
At a time of economic crisis the last thing we should do is put government-enforced obstacles, big legal fees and more red tape in the way of people getting access to vital health care and family protections.
9. Vote No On 2 because Florida is Better Than This
When Florida voters understand the real harm to real people the Amendment will cause, they will vote no. Everyday more and more Floridians are standing up to this divisive, harmful amendment. The Fairness for All Families' Vote No On 2 campaign consists of over 260 civic, faith, and social justice groups working together to protect Florida's families. Help spread the word. Volunteer and donate today.
10. Vote No On 2 because It Harms All of Us
People have already lost benefits in states that have passed similar measures. In Michigan, health insurance for domestic partners were repealed at every state university that offered them. In Kentucky, amendment backers had promised they were only "banning gay marriage". Now they are working to eliminate domestic partner benefits for state and university employees. In Ohio, justice for domestic violence victims was impeded because lower courts ruled that their "marriage" amendment" prohibited applying domestic violence laws to unmarried couples.
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106Beach Lover
Who says it's a sin? I don't think it's a sin. I don't even believe in the concept of 'sin'. Do you have a problem with that?
If I don't follow your religion, how can you justify forcing its rules upon me?
coming into this real late arnt you? That was my responce to questions reguarding the Bible because MY point of view is a biblical one and I have been challenged countless times on that and the only way for me to support my argment is biblically. Any way I can justify it the same as you can by forcing me to reconize marriage in and unGODLY light. I follow my faith, how can you justify forcing worldly views on me?
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coming into this real late arnt you?...I follow my faith, how can you justify forcing worldly views on me?
so basically, Vote No On 2. ;-)
Beach Lover
so basically, Vote No On 2. ;-)
nooooo VOTE YES YES YES ON #2:clap:yes on number 2:clap:
SoWal Insider
coming into this real late arnt you? That was my responce to questions reguarding the Bible because MY point of view is a biblical one and I have been challenged countless times on that and the only way for me to support my argment is biblically. Any way I can justify it the same as you can by forcing me to reconize marriage in and unGODLY light. I follow my faith, how can you justify forcing worldly views on me?
I don't believe providing the opportunity for a legal form of union (in terms of protection under the laws, tax benefits, etc..) forces you to accept anything. That is a decision you and your church make. You do not have to recognize same sex unions as being good or holy. Your religion is still free to proclaim it as sinful. But under state law, the state of Florida should not enforce your churches views on people who do not subscribe to your faith. That is the essence of what Amendment 2 attempts to do. Remember, the Amendment does not force your church or you to accept anything. This is an Amendment that forces everyone else to accept your world view. Please remember that when you vote today.
SoWal Insider
Also note, on the flip side, a common argument is that these legal wranglings cause a 'slippery sloap' opening up the opportuntiy for all manner of things to be forced upon religious institutions. That is not the case here. The ACLU is not going to decend upon your church after Amendment 2 fails and force your preacher to extol the virtues of same sex unions. Nothing will change within the confines of your church, you will be free to believe, whatever it is you want to believe.
SoWal Expert
nooooo VOTE YES YES YES ON #2:clap:yes on number 2:clap:
Who's on first?:blink::shock:
Oh yeah, NO on 2nd!!:clap:
Beach Fanatic
To quote my pastor, Ronnie McBrayer, who is the greatest example of Christ that I know...
" Vote Tuesday has nothing to do with Jesus."
" Vote Tuesday has nothing to do with Jesus."
SoWal Expert
To quote my pastor, Ronnie McBrayer, who is the greatest example of Christ that I know...
" Vote Tuesday has nothing to do with Jesus."
You just made my day!!:wave:
Beach Fanatic
Also note, on the flip side, a common argument is that these legal wranglings cause a 'slippery sloap' opening up the opportuntiy for all manner of things to be forced upon religious institutions. That is not the case here. The ACLU is not going to decend upon your church after Amendment 2 fails and force your preacher to extol the virtues of same sex unions. Nothing will change within the confines of your church, you will be free to believe, whatever it is you want to believe.
Agreed. It's not like the ACLU goes after the Roman Catholic Church over how they make it very difficult to get a marriage annuled in the eyes of the Church even as every state in the country adopted no-fault divorce.
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even the church is voting No on 2
Beach Comber
To quote my pastor, Ronnie McBrayer, who is the greatest example of Christ that I know...
" Vote Tuesday has nothing to do with Jesus."
Ummm, that statement is very wrong. No matter how you vote if you are a Christian then Jesus should have a big part on how you vote Tuesday. I am not saying you should vote one way or the other, or that Jesus expects you to vote a certain way, just that Christians include Jesus into all they do or pray for guidance in what they should do! So for that to come from a Pastor worries me.
Beach Fanatic
Ummm, that statement is very wrong. No matter how you vote if you are a Christian then Jesus should have a big part on how you vote Tuesday. I am not saying you should vote one way or the other, or that Jesus expects you to vote a certain way, just that Christians include Jesus into all they do or pray for guidance in what they should do! So for that to come from a Pastor worries me.
If the Walton Sun's online edition was up-to-date, I would paste the link to Ronnie's full article entitled "Vote on Tuesday has nothing to do with Jesus."
Since it's not, I'll just tell you to pick up a copy of the Nov. 1 issues, but here are some highlights.
..."Some Christians, of variegated political leanings, will pull the lever this week thinking they are voting for Jesus because of their particular stand on issues or party affiliation. Maybe they should think again.
I believe that Christians of all stripes and shades have put far, far too much confidence in human government as the means to transform the world. Many of us vote under the assumption that if only the right man/woman could get seated in the White House, then the kingdom of God would come.
Our faith - left, right, conservative, liberal - has been taken captive by the state. Religion is used as a tool to garner votes and sanction candidates. It is used to justify all manner of policy decisions, and in the end, everyone is saluting the flag and their particular version of the Christion faith, but I don't think Jesus is very much involved.
If we were really voting for Jesus, it might mean something completely different. In an act of peaceful rebellion and Christian anarcy, it might mean we say to the state, "Christianity is not a voting block. it is allegiance to the way of Jesus. Have your elections, but we bow our knee only to Christ."
Read more in your paper.
Beach Comber
If the Walton Sun's online edition was up-to-date, I would paste the link to Ronnie's full article entitled "Vote on Tuesday has nothing to do with Jesus."
Since it's not, I'll just tell you to pick up a copy of the Nov. 1 issues, but here are some highlights.
..."Some Christians, of variegated political leanings, will pull the lever this week thinking they are voting for Jesus because of their particular stand on issues or party affiliation. Maybe they should think again.
I believe that Christians of all stripes and shades have put far, far too much confidence in human government as the means to transform the world. Many of us vote under the assumption that if only the right man/woman could get seated in the White House, then the kingdom of God would come.
Our faith - left, right, conservative, liberal - has been taken captive by the state. Religion is used as a tool to garner votes and sanction candidates. It is used to justify all manner of policy decisions, and in the end, everyone is saluting the flag and their particular version of the Christion faith, but I don't think Jesus is very much involved.
If we were really voting for Jesus, it might mean something completely different. In an act of peaceful rebellion and Christian anarcy, it might mean we say to the state, "Christianity is not a voting block. it is allegiance to the way of Jesus. Have your elections, but we bow our knee only to Christ."
Read more in your paper.
I agree that more information on that quote did help the statement. I wasn't at all saying that Jesus expected you or anyone else to vote a specific way. We have free will and Jesus allows us to make our own decisions. I was just saying that asking for guidance and direction is what many Christians do and so in fact voting would be a big part of elections. Not that any specific Amendment or race should be Christian or not Christian. Thanks for the larger excerpt.
Beach Lover
even the church is voting No on 2
So you are saying Jesus is all for same sex marriage even though he speaks only of marriage between a Man and Woman and as it being a HOLY union? I think not. Its just as crazy as supporting abortion. I dont know about you but I know many people from many churches that attend regularly and have personal relationships with Christ who are voting YES. You can show me articles all day, it will not change what I hold true that comes right out of the Bible. You know I went to a church one time and the pastor of that church was making fun of gays on the pulpit, since he is a pastor of a large Church was he right to do so. ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!! We are called to love. If I was voting for Civil Union I would vote for it. But Instead I vote for protecting the term of marriage and I vote YES ON #2
Beach Lover
Swampfox, have you read the entire amendment? The entire length?
Or did you just read the name "Marriage Protection Amendment," and automatically make your mind up right then and there?
Or did you just read the name "Marriage Protection Amendment," and automatically make your mind up right then and there?
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So you are saying Jesus... I dont know about you but I know many people from many churches... and I vote NO oN #2
The Church of Celebritology, like you, endorses NO on 2.
Beach Lover
Swampfox, have you read the entire amendment? The entire length?
Or did you just read the name "Marriage Protection Amendment," and automatically make your mind up right then and there?
I read it overmany times and thought long and hard and I like most of Florida voted yes. In fact every admendment that I was in favor of passing got passed:clap: and the ones I wasnt in favor of passing did not get passed so as far as my admendments go for the election I am 100%:cool: I just cant believe in 2008 there are still people out there that think like me.
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SoWal Expert
I read it overmany times and thought long and hard and I like most of Florida voted yes. In fact every admendment that I was in favor of passing got passed:clap: and the ones I wasnt in favor of passing did not get passed so as far as my admendments go for the election I am 100%:cool: I just cant believe in 2008 there are still people out there that think like me.
I can't believe it either.
It is better proof than FCAT that we need to work on reading skills. It only took basic reading and reading comprehension skills to understand that the amendment was about more than gay marriage.
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My Ministry will continue to acknowledge and perform marriage ceremonies for gay and lesbian couples.
Beach Fanatic
My Ministry will continue to acknowledge and perform marriage ceremonies for gay and lesbian couples.
Fine with me, but the law will not, which is also fine with me.:cool:
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Fine with me, but the law will not, which is also fine with me.:cool:
Exactly, our nation is full of backwards laws.
Beach Fanatic
Exactly, our nation is full of backwards laws.You forgot backwards people.:idontno:
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You forgot backwards people.:idontno:
i didn't forget. people make laws.
Beach Fanatic
i didn't forget. people make laws.
No matter, just as I have accepted the will of the people regarding the President, so must you accept the will of the people as regards amendment 2. That is the American way.😀
Beach Fanatic
Dang, now I can't marry my labrador retriever. That's what the amendment was about, right?
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