Light Pollution

Those that really know me, ie., Shallowsnole, can attest that this is just me, not bitter or hateful, actually just a return to normal.

But it does bring up something that I do have a hard time grasping. How do we know that it is not God's plan for the turtles to go the way of the dinosaurs? If these same species concerns had been around thousands of years ago I would be dodging T-Rex on the way to work in the morning.

As for what people think, that is the least of my concerns. Someone has to stand up to the people that want to control the rest of us. Doing so does bring in an inordinate amount of criticism and attention. That, I believe is why so many say nothing on this forum.

Humans and dinosaurs never coexisted so the idea of "species concerns" wouldn't apply. Also it would have been tens of millions of years ago, not thousands. You're not suggesting that humans killed off the dinosaurs are you?

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I am glad to see you back. Wish you would have won the election, but you ran an honorable race.
You are correct about people ( the silent majority) not posting here because they don't want to face the criticism of the fruits and nuts. You are also correct that someone must do it or people get the idea that that crowd IS the majority.

Boy do our definitions of that word differ.

Turn off the pucking lights.

Turn off the pucking lights.

What if I trip in the dark and fall down.......owie........too late

What if I trip in the dark and fall down.......owie........too late

...sorry to tell you...I would laugh!

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You are correct about people ( the silent majority) not posting here because they don't want to face the criticism of the fruits and nuts. You are also correct that someone must do it or people get the idea that that crowd IS the majority.

How are you making this determination regarding the supposed silent majority? please keep in mind the the idea of who are the fruits and nuts is totally subjective, and ultra right seems pretty nutty to me. And I'm a fruit fly, btw.

...sorry to tell you...I would laugh!

Then you would help me up, because friends laugh at you, when you fall downbefore they help ur hurt arse up

How are you making this determination regarding the supposed silent majority? please keep in mind the the idea of who are the fruits and nuts is totally subjective, and ultra right seems pretty nutty to me. And I'm a fruit fly, btw.

I judge by what occured at the ballot box. If you read posts here you would think this area is a bastion of liberals. But pull up the SOE websites and you will find a solid 70% Republican/conservative voting record for this county and the surrounding ones. Therefore, either conservatives ignor this site or visit and remain silent.

s/ ultra right nut

Boy do our definitions of that word differ.

Whhhhheeeewwww, I was sweatin that one.

Whhhhheeeewwww, I was sweatin that one.

I judge by what occured at the ballot box. If you read posts here you would think this area is a bastion of liberals. But pull up the SOE websites and you will find a solid 70% Republican/conservative voting record for this county and the surrounding ones. Therefore, either conservatives ignor this site or visit and remain silent.

s/ ultra right nut

i believe there is another newly formed BB that will probably cater to your lifestyle. I suppose I and a few others will be the minority there.

i believe there is another newly formed BB that will probably cater to your lifestyle. I suppose I and a few others will be the minority there.

It is much more invigorating to have a lively debate. I do not require a cheering section to embolden me to state my views.

Okay I rode around DeFuniak at night, tonight. If people would just do a bit of light planning, we could probably cut our dependence on fossil fuels by 20%. I have to agree, that while people are certainly free to do what they want, there is an awful lot of wasteful useless lighting going on.

But what really gets me is when places like the county extension office have six high watt sucking flood lights on the front of their building, not counting the incandescents that they are already using. And these are the people that are going around pushing energy efficiency, alternative fuels, and such. They make CFL flood lights now. Just think of the dollars that could be saved. The parking lof of the fairgrounds is another one. Government should be setting the example in the world today. Not telling us how to live while they go and do whatever they want.

It is much more invigorating to have a lively debate. I do not require a cheering section to embolden me to state my views.

True, true, true. I certainly agree with you, IW, but you are preachin' to a deaf choir or at best, one which will never listen to rational debate.

But what really gets me is when places like the county extension office have six high watt sucking flood lights on the front of their building, not counting the incandescents that they are already using. And these are the people that are going around pushing energy efficiency, alternative fuels, and such. They make CFL flood lights now. Just think of the dollars that could be saved. The parking lof of the fairgrounds is another one. Government should be setting the example in the world today. Not telling us how to live while they go and do whatever they want.

Agreed. There is a lot of extra, unnecessary light floating around out there. Although there need to be a minimum amount of lumens to meet safety and navigation standards, government could set the example by using energy efficient lighting and have specific lights powered on to get the job done.

http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/12/29/new-york-city-to-install-led-streetlamps/

The amount of light we need and the amount of light we use are two very different things.

Hopefully with the upcoming tight budgets, necessity will rule the day!

True, true, true. I certainly agree with you, IW, but you are preachin' to a deaf choir or at best, one which will never listen to rational debate.

What about not listening to rational debates?

Turn Out the Lights!! Sea Turtles attract guests $$$

Check out this weeks DeFuniak Springs Herald/Beach Breeze (Thursday, Jan. 8, 2009 Page 1-C) to see Dotty Nist's article "Sea turtles attract hotel/resort guests" that details how having turtle friendly policies and lighting is good business. This refutes often repeated mantra by those against protective turtle lighting saying it would hurt business. Someone that knows how to post might want to include article here.

Yet another good idea on how to market Walton County's beaches, a stargazing enclave. Unobstructed views of the Milky Way, which can't be appreciated by 2/3 of Americans because night lighting blots it out!

"We're certainly not living in the dark," said Lorna Inch, a real estate agent. "We've got a beautiful sky that we all enjoy many nights of the year. There's a lot of natural light from the stars," plus those dimmed residential lights.

New Zealand town is in the dark — and proud of it - Yahoo! News