30-a beach looks like tent city

New procedure that is going for approval to the BCC is

http://www.co.walton.fl.us/DocumentView.aspx?DID=911


Take a look. Has some really good possibilities. Some of it will require quite a bit more work on the part of the county, but should go a long way toward keeping the beaches clean. It appears that they have incorporated some ideas discussed here.

Where is the money coming from to pay the "beach ambassador," to print up the brochures and promotional items they will be handing out (that will just be more trash IMO), staff & organize the reclaim office, buy and fuel this ridonkulous $12K Gator vehicle etc.?

And how is one ambassador supposed to cover the entire beach and alert Code Enforcement of violating items?

I do like that people will have 48 hour to claim their items, but I propose that we sell or donate items after that time, not "dispose" of them.

Interesting that they specifically mention volleyball nets, huh? :roll:

Where is the money coming from to pay the "beach ambassador," to print up the brochures and promotional items they will be handing out (that will just be more trash IMO), staff & organize the reclaim office, buy and fuel this ridonkulous $12K Gator vehicle etc.?

And how is one ambassador supposed to cover the entire beach and alert Code Enforcement of violating items?

I do like that people will have 48 hour to claim their items, but I propose that we sell or donate items after that time, not "dispose" of them.

Interesting that they specifically mention volleyball nets, huh? :roll:

Yes it is INTERESTING - and will be challenged in court. The other suit is still in deposition.

Meadows has hired a criminal attorney to defend the action filed against her.
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They do mention volleyball nets which are "bundled and stored at the foot of the dune," but that doesn't sound like you will be able to keep one on semi-permanent posts in the ground.

I think the new procedure has merit and will work if consistently applied. Consistent, meaning that it will take effort and resolve and not caving it when the first encounter results in all the reasons why "I/Me" is entitled to leave stuff. I wish there was a way to charge a small fee to reclaim your stuff and if unclaimed, caring and sharing or a public auction at the start of the season. That may help pay for a few brochures and some gas for the gator...

I think the new procedure has merit and will work if consistently applied. Consistent, meaning that it will take effort and resolve and not caving it when the first encounter results in all the reasons why "I/Me" is entitled to leave stuff. I wish there was a way to charge a small fee to reclaim your stuff and if unclaimed, caring and sharing or a public auction at the start of the season. That may help pay for a few brochures and some gas for the gator...

This still has the issue with private vs public property. It also turns the CE people into garbage collectors at 50,000 per year. They also do not have the staff to do this and handle all of the other complaints. Gonna be a hoot to watch them try.

"This too shall pass"
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Yes it is INTERESTING - and will be challenged in court. The other suit is still in deposition.

Meadows has hired a criminal attorney to defend the action filed against her.
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As in Cindy Meadows? Criminal Atty to defend her? What was the alleged charge?

This still has the issue with private vs public property. It also turns the CE people into garbage collectors at 50,000 per year. They also do not have the staff to do this and handle all of the other complaints. Gonna be a hoot to watch them try.

"This too shall pass"
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Why are you so bitter? Your post is mean spirited, imo.

This still has the issue with private vs public property. It also turns the CE people into garbage collectors at 50,000 per year. They also do not have the staff to do this and handle all of the other complaints. Gonna be a hoot to watch them try.

"This too shall pass"
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The real hoot will be watching that volleyball net come on down.

Why are you so bitter? Your post is mean spirited, imo.

Not bitter at all just old and tired of the continual onslaught and erosion of personal responsibility to be replace by poorly conceived and administered attempts to legislate behavior.

Mean spirited - - no just realistic concerning Barney, Goober and Gomer.

The real hoot will be watching that volleyball net come on down.

Time will tell !

This still has the issue with private vs public property. It also turns the CE people into garbage collectors at 50,000 per year. They also do not have the staff to do this and handle all of the other complaints. Gonna be a hoot to watch them try.

"This too shall pass"
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As a resident of Walton County who obviously has a vested interest in the beaches and the private beach issue, what have you done in a constructive manner to make this situation better for everyone?

Being old doesn't give one license to be so bitter and to speak so ill of people--I am sure the Code Enforcement employees do not want this burden anymore than many of us want to see them stuck with it...

Can you think of anything constructive (a lawsuit usually isn't) that you and people who feel as you do, can do to add to the solution? Have you conveyed that to the county and TDC staff or the news media, if you have been ignored by the County.

Just wondering; I agree with Miss Kitty. In your many posts, bitterness seems to occupy a lot of space between the lines.

Perhaps you could contribute in a positive way?

The real hoot will be watching that volleyball net come on down.

Nothing in the procedures or in any of the laws I have posted gives Code Enforcement the right to go on private property. So I doubt the net at Edgewater is affected. Those CE officers are educated and certified, we have had private property discussions in the past and they have told me that they could easily be arrested for trespassing and theft. So I doubt you will see them do anything other than clean up or tag the stuff on public land.

As for the money, I would imagine that the TDC employees and the education portion will be paid by the tourist tax. Code enforcement are paid out of ad valoreum, so this clean up project will more than likely result in at least a small tax hike. .25 mils is the rumor I keep hearing that they want to go up, with this it will probably go to .5 mils. Not a lot for me, and I am happy to contribute my little bit to make you guys happy, you wanted beach clean up, it appears things are going to be put into place for you to get it. So what would that be 150 dollars on a 300K home? I can never remember how to figure that stuff without a calculator.

As a resident of Walton County who obviously has a vested interest in the beaches and the private beach issue, what have you done in a constructive manner to make this situation better for everyone?

Being old doesn't give one license to be so bitter and to speak so ill of people--I am sure the Code Enforcement employees do not want this burden anymore than many of us want to see them stuck with it...

Can you think of anything constructive (a lawsuit usually isn't) that you and people who feel as you do, can do to add to the solution? Have you conveyed that to the county and TDC staff or the news media, if you have been ignored by the County.

Just wondering; I agree with Miss Kitty. In your many posts, bitterness seems to occupy a lot of space between the lines.

Perhaps you could contribute in a positive way?

Believe Me I Have Not Been ignored by the County !

Being old doesn't give one license to be so bitter and to speak so ill of people--I am sure the Code Enforcement employees do not want this burden anymore than many of us want to see them stuck with it...

Working is a burden? For all of us if you ask me. CE gets paid, more than most Sheriff's Deputies from what I have seen on average. And all work is optional, so if they do not like having to tag and bag stuff, they have other choices available. Maybe not palatable, but certainly available.

Working is a burden? For all of us if you ask me. CE gets paid, more than most Sheriff's Deputies from what I have seen on average. And all work is optional, so if they do not like having to tag and bag stuff, they have other choices available. Maybe not palatable, but certainly available.

Robert, as usual, I have been unable to communicate my message in a way that you can understand it....

the burden is doing something that should be taken care of by other means, as you point out, the salary is not in line with the job description.

Believe Me I Have Not Been ignored by the County !

Okay, so have you offered up positive solutions to the problem of litter and abandoned property on the beach?

Robert, as usual, I have been unable to communicate my message in a way that you can understand it....

the burden is doing something that should be taken care of by other means, as you point out, the salary is not in line with the job description.

Sorry, I have been told that I am just a poor uneducated person who does not understand for so long that I think it is starting to take.

Okay, so have you offered up positive solutions to the problem of litter and abandoned property on the beach?

I pay someone to clean my property everyday removing items left there by those that were not invited to be there.

Sorry, I have been told that I am just a poor uneducated person who does not understand for so long that I think it is starting to take.

Well, it's never too late to make another choice!

Nothing in the procedures or in any of the laws I have posted gives Code Enforcement the right to go on private property. So I doubt the net at Edgewater is affected. Those CE officers are educated and certified, we have had private property discussions in the past and they have told me that they could easily be arrested for trespassing and theft. So I doubt you will see them do anything other than clean up or tag the stuff on public land.

As for the money, I would imagine that the TDC employees and the education portion will be paid by the tourist tax. Code enforcement are paid out of ad valoreum, so this clean up project will more than likely result in at least a small tax hike. .25 mils is the rumor I keep hearing that they want to go up, with this it will probably go to .5 mils. Not a lot for me, and I am happy to contribute my little bit to make you guys happy, you wanted beach clean up, it appears things are going to be put into place for you to get it. So what would that be 150 dollars on a 300K home? I can never remember how to figure that stuff without a calculator.

Right you are, however, there is language regarding the protected status of the sea turtles. Those who cry foul regarding their right to do whatever they want on their property might just see things differently if state and maybe federal wildlife folks start poking around looking at the crap that is a threat to turtles. With ownership comes responsibility;you would be in deep doo-doo if you cut down a tree on your property that had a bald eagle nest in it, and the same goes for those who contend they 'own' the beach.

Not bitter at all just old and tired of the continual onslaught and erosion of personal responsibility to be replace by poorly conceived and administered attempts to legislate behavior.

Mean spirited - - no just realistic concerning Barney, Goober and Gomer.

Hmmm...this statement is very telling. What about YOUR personal responsibility to be a good steward of the "beach you own"? Hasn't that eroded?

The Lord Giveth and Taketh Away - it is a natural process. I watch the process daily and was aware of the process when we decided to buy and build.

My brain is starting to hurt. I am going back to sleep.

Those who cry foul regarding their right to do whatever they want on their property might just see things differently if state and maybe federal wildlife folks start poking around looking at the crap that is a threat to turtles. With ownership comes responsibility;you would be in deep doo-doo if you cut down a tree on your property that had a bald eagle nest in it, and the same goes for those who contend they 'own' the beach.

If they were going to do anything they would have done it already. All they are making the county do is write a plan that is going to make it even harder for those that are not breaking the rules to enjoy the beach.