Yzarctoo
YzarctooBeach Fanatic282 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
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It's on the agenda.
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143salidaco
salidacoBeach Lover148 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Lover
And you thought local government was broke. Reducing the number of permits actually reduces income to the general fund by a significant amount each year. Kudos to the local commissioners, as they cut off every source of income they have. Government will have to continue to shrink. But I imagine this law, like many in the past will be changed soon, after they write a check to someone for $150K or so things will be different.
I would have to agree with Kurt, this like most government permitting programs, is NOT a large revenue source. generally fees are intended to marginally offset the admin costs of the program. If fees were high, say $2000 per permit, everyone would the complain they were being over-taxed by a greedy government. If you want to save some money spent by county, then look at the dollars spent on maintaining the police state that grayton beach becomes between may and august. More security than any other place in walton county!
scooterbug44
scooterbug44SoWal ExpertSowal16,706 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal Expert
Why is it definitely a negative?
My guess is that by reducing the number of permits and then enforcing violations for people driving without one you could actually come out ahead.
My guess is that by reducing the number of permits and then enforcing violations for people driving without one you could actually come out ahead.
Kurt
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A proposal has been made to cap permits at 900. To be discussed further in a public forum.
Would this be a first come first serve situation?
Would this be a first come first serve situation?
ChipperChipperBeach Crab2 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Crab
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Is it really worth having a beach permit ? Trying to move to seagrove
beach, still in Atlanta. Should I purchase permit any way ?
Is it really worth having a beach permit ? Trying to move to seagrove
beach, still in Atlanta. Should I purchase permit any way ?
miznotebook
miznotebookBeach FanaticStone's throw from Inlet Bch974 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
The attorney said she would be drafting proposed revisions to the existing "driving on the beach" law. One commissioner had suggested expanding the number of permits, and others had suggested special provisions for the disabled and reducing the number of permits available to charter boat operators from 20 to 15. Other suggestions included capping the number of permits at 900 and deleting the requirement for a property owner applying for a permit to have a habitable residence on their property. Last summer the number of existing permits was reported to be 772 issued to individuals and 11 to charter boat operators. A public hearing on the proposed revisions has been set for Dec. 14 at the South Walton Annex.
Elephant Child
Elephant ChildBeach Lover183 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Lover
A proposal has been made to cap permits at 900. To be discussed further in a public forum.
Would this be a first come first serve situation?
Kurt, i was at meeting last night...no proposal...a "suggestion" was made about a cap of 900. The Commissioners asked their legal advisor to write up a new draft to include some of the concerns that they had received about the Driving on Beach permits. They had said that they would revisit it in October last year and that's why the new draft. The draft hasn't been even written yet. There was a date set up for the draft to be completed and a public hearing to be held on Dec. 14th at the South Walton Annex.
Kurt
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Is it really worth having a beach permit ? Trying to move to seagrove
beach, still in Atlanta. Should I purchase permit any way ?
New permits are not available. Seagrove Beach is just as nice as Grayton Beach with the added bonus of no vehicle vs. sunbather incidents.
TreeFrog
TreeFrogBeach FanaticSeagrove1,793 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
The attorney said she would be drafting proposed revisions to the existing "driving on the beach" law. One commissioner had suggested expanding the number of permits, and others had suggested special provisions for the disabled and reducing the number of permits available to charter boat operators from 20 to 15. Other suggestions included capping the number of permits at 900 and deleting the requirement for a property owner applying for a permit to have a habitable residence on their property. Last summer the number of existing permits was reported to be 772 issued to individuals and 11 to charter boat operators. A public hearing on the proposed revisions has been set for Dec. 14 at the South Walton Annex.
I seems simple enough that 900 is a little more than the actual 772, and 15 or 20 is a little more than the actual 11. Allow for a little growth, but don't overload things.
Any idea on what the thought is behind allowing property owners without a residence to get a permit?
TreeFrog
TreeFrogBeach FanaticSeagrove1,793 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
Is it really worth having a beach permit ? Trying to move to seagrove
beach, still in Atlanta. Should I purchase permit any way ?
One person's view - I live near Eastern Lake and had a beach permit for one year. It was fun to have and got used a number of times, but I have gotten along without, too. Wouldn't mind having one again sometime, but won't stress over it if I can't. SoWal is a great place and there's so much to do, that the experiences that come from having a beach permit, for me, aren't essential to enjoying being here, just nice optional pluses.
scooterbug44
scooterbug44SoWal ExpertSowal16,706 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal Expert
I think 900, one per property/person, and requiring you to own a residence in Walton County is good.
miznotebook
miznotebookBeach FanaticStone's throw from Inlet Bch974 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
Any idea on what the thought is behind allowing property owners without a residence to get a permit?
It wasn't explained, but my guess would be that people who own a lot in Walton County but have not built their home yet may have asked for this change.
TreeFrog
TreeFrogBeach FanaticSeagrove1,793 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
It wasn't explained, but my guess would be that people who own a lot in Walton County but have not built their home yet may have asked for this change.
Yeah, that was my first thought, too.
But, with politics being politics, I figured someone might have had an angle. For instance, there is plenty of commercial property that will never have a residence on it. Should businesses be allowed beach permits?
wrobert
wrobertBeach FanaticDeFuniak Springs4,132 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
Any idea on what the thought is behind allowing property owners without a residence to get a permit?
To bring the law into compliance with the full faith and credit, as well as equal protection clauses in both the State and Federal Constitutions would be my guess.
miznotebook
miznotebookBeach FanaticStone's throw from Inlet Bch974 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
Yeah, that was my first thought, too.
But, with politics being politics, I figured someone might have had an angle. For instance, there is plenty of commercial property that will never have a residence on it. Should businesses be allowed beach permits?
Interesting points, Treefrog and Wrobert. In the driving on the beach ordinance (posted on the tax collector's Web site), no distinction is made regarding residential or commercial property, although of course there is now the requirement for a habitable residence on the property. Also the ordinance does provide an additional requirement for property owned by a business or by multiple owners. The person applying for the permit must have a controlling interest in the property.
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