Quit claim of beach front land

I am done. It is evident that some here are of the "new" breed of beachfront owner; the kind who were duped into believing their sand was private and who were also duped into paying way too much for their postage stamp sized grassy yard.
Meanwhile, I will go back to every Sunday afternoon on the beach, usually in front of a house of an owner who "gets it." She has told us don't cause issues, clean up after yourself, I'm not here, but when I am, I'll come down and have a beer with you.
That, my friends, is how it used to be before greed took over and how it should be again.

Who got duped? I'd rethink that one.

Shannon

I believe you are too far out over your skis.

You evidently know more than most that intent in real property is expressed in deed restrictions, easements, covenants, dedications, all which are legally recorded. It is not expressed in emotional pleadings, moral judgement, cocktail party antidotes, or how long you've lived here, or who your parent's knew.

Please post a deed which contains the language to support your claim.

Shannon

Who are you trying to convince? I believe in Customary Use. I also believe it will be decided by the Courts and whatever side happens to win the legal challenge we all lose because of the arrogance and bitterness it has brought out in us all. But hey this is our society now. So everyone get your digs in because the superiority of our cause is more righteous than the others, no matter what side of the debate you are on. Just my opinion!

I am done. It is evident that some here are of the "new" breed of beachfront owner; the kind who were duped into believing their sand was private and who were also duped into paying way too much for their postage stamp sized grassy yard.
Meanwhile, I will go back to every Sunday afternoon on the beach, usually in front of a house of an owner who "gets it." She has told us don't cause issues, clean up after yourself, I'm not here, but when I am, I'll come down and have a beer with you.
That, my friends, is how it used to be before greed took over and how it should be again.

Right?!?! If I was some of these people I would be going after the realtor that told me I had a "Private beach" and a "small, quaint, close-knit community" but forgot to tell them they are moving into a "resort area" with one of the highest bed-tax collecting TDCs in the state of Florida and that my "neighbors" would be there from Sat. to Sat. and hail from all over the country.

Bob,

Who are you trying to convince? I believe in Customary Use. I also believe it will be decided by the Courts and whatever side happens to win the legal challenge we all lose because of the arrogance and bitterness it has brought out in us all. But hey this is our society now. So everyone get your digs in because the superiority of our cause is more righteous than the others, no matter what side of the debate you are on. Just my opinion!

Bob,

I'm sure you get that in most cases I'm responding to someone's post.

I'm not going around telling everyone that public beach property is being stolen for $100.

So, ask your question to everyone please. Funny how I'm the one who is supposed to stand down.

Shannon

Only good that can come out of this, is maybe when beach becomes cu some will move away.ill take the property value loss

Bob,


Bob,

I'm sure you get that in most cases I'm responding to someone's post.

I'm not going around telling everyone that public beach property is being stolen for $100.

So, ask your question to everyone please. Funny how I'm the one who is supposed to stand down.

Shannon

Amazing, you thought that was what I said....

"Who are you trying to convince?" seems pretty clear to me.

Only good that can come out of this, is maybe when beach becomes cu some will move away.ill take the property value loss

I'd start thinking of a plan B.

Shannon

@Shannon Lince is that your sign in the photo?

Why does it matter who's sign it is? It was approved by the court.

I am done. It is evident that some here are of the "new" breed of beachfront owner; the kind who were duped into believing their sand was private and who were also duped into paying way too much for their postage stamp sized grassy yard.
Meanwhile, I will go back to every Sunday afternoon on the beach, usually in front of a house of an owner who "gets it." She has told us don't cause issues, clean up after yourself, I'm not here, but when I am, I'll come down and have a beer with you.
That, my friends, is how it used to be before greed took over and how it should be again.

Been here longer than you I'd guess. No duped or greedy "old" or "new" beachfront owners here. Just informed ones. My private property has always been "private" for many decades; even if I let you use it, it's still private property with all the rights you have. But if you and the commissioners demand to use my property without my consent, you will not be licensed or invited to use it. If the Walton commissioners litigate and beachfront owners Constitutional private property rights are superior to an obscure old English public common law and owners prevail I for one will enforce my private property rights to the fullest extent of the law. So be careful what you pay your tax money for. There is no customary use in Walton county and the one thing I agree with Teresa and Dave Rauschkolb - NO compromise.

I am done. It is evident that some here are of the "new" breed of beachfront owner; the kind who were duped into believing their sand was private and who were also duped into paying way too much for their postage stamp sized grassy yard.
Meanwhile, I will go back to every Sunday afternoon on the beach, usually in front of a house of an owner who "gets it." She has told us don't cause issues, clean up after yourself, I'm not here, but when I am, I'll come down and have a beer with you.
That, my friends, is how it used to be before greed took over and how it should be again.

Come on down to Grayton any time. Stil lots of friendly folks here!

Right?!?! If I was some of these people I would be going after the realtor that told me I had a "Private beach" and a "small, quaint, close-knit community" but forgot to tell them they are moving into a "resort area" with one of the highest bed-tax collecting TDCs in the state of Florida and that my "neighbors" would be there from Sat. to Sat. and hail from all over the country.

Bingo...the silence from ECAR and the agents has been deafening. With the exception of 30ALocal which from what I can see they are correcting their listing/marketing verbiage. Good to hear this.

Bingo...the silence from ECAR and the agents has been deafening. With the exception of 30ALocal which from what I can see they are correcting their listing/marketing verbiage. Good to hear this.

New listing today ...600 feet of private beach

Grab this one before it's gone!! Gorgeous views from this 10th floor condo in the popular Tides GULF FRONT building. Great 2-bedroom/2 bath with a huge balcony that provides incredible coastline views. This is a must see for anyone wanting to own a 2/2 in a gulf front building for well under 500K. Tops'l Resort is a private, gated, 52-acre gulf front resort that borders Sandestin Resort on one side & 4 miles of undeveloped preserve and state park to our east. Tops'l Resort has 600 feet of private beach and world class amenities that include multiple onsite dining options, 12 Rubico tennis courts, several pools (some heated), convention facilities, incredible fitness center/spa with weight room, massage, yoga, steam room, sauna crossfit and personal trainers on staff. Other features of this
unit include updated kitchen, baths and flooring and brand new AC.

Shannon

You apparently have no clue that I used to work for the Clerk of Court, very closely with the Property Appraiser, I have been here all of my life, and I own waterfront property. I'm fairly well-versed in beach ownership.
Again, your "premium" is based on unfettered access to the beach, and the unimpeded sight, sound and smell of the gulf. The original developers of our beachfront communities - who I remember, as most were friends with my parents - often fashioned their deeds to the MHWL because, back then, there was no CCL and the MHWL was used in order to protect those who bought beachfront from anything being built between the edge of the bluff and the Gulf. There was no intent to block the beach for recreational use. People who owned beachfront in years past understood the spirit of the beach, and never dreamed of impeding access and use of any portion of the beach.

Yes, your tax bill is based in part on what you paid for the property. But the sand itself is not an issue, as the sand does nothing that a home facing the Gulf doesn't already do - except make elitists believe the beach is theirs and theirs alone. Your assessment is based on linear width "front feet" of the bluff.

You apparently have no clue that I used to work for the Clerk of Court, very closely with the Property Appraiser, I have been here all of my life, and I own waterfront property. I'm fairly well-versed in beach ownership.
Again, your "premium" is based on unfettered access to the beach, and the unimpeded sight, sound and smell of the gulf. The original developers of our beachfront communities - who I remember, as most were friends with my parents - often fashioned their deeds to the MHWL because, back then, there was no CCL and the MHWL was used in order to protect those who bought beachfront from anything being built between the edge of the bluff and the Gulf. There was no intent to block the beach for recreational use. People who owned beachfront in years past understood the spirit of the beach, and never dreamed of impeding access and use of any portion of the beach.

Yes, your tax bill is based in part on what you paid for the property. But the sand itself is not an issue, as the sand does nothing that a home facing the Gulf doesn't already do - except make elitists believe the beach is theirs and theirs alone. Your assessment is based on linear width "front feet" of the bluff.

As my 95 year old Mama, a patron of these shores since the Cube days, says on the “private beach” issue, “RIDICULOUS! It’s like buying a house on a busy street and then complaining about the traffic!” A quit claim deed, as used in these instances, may provide “color of title” but IMO does not mean more than that. I admire the residents who continue to push for enforcement of existing ordinances and for the enactment of additional sensible planning laws. Seems like some of the bed tax should go towards that, rather than continued growth, unabated. The horse while out of the barn, is still in the pasture.

I am done. It is evident that some here are of the "new" breed of beachfront owner; the kind who were duped into believing their sand was private and who were also duped into paying way too much for their postage stamp sized grassy yard.
Meanwhile, I will go back to every Sunday afternoon on the beach, usually in front of a house of an owner who "gets it." She has told us don't cause issues, clean up after yourself, I'm not here, but when I am, I'll come down and have a beer with you.
That, my friends, is how it used to be before greed took over and how it should be again.

That's how it was before South Walton and 30A became a rental community. When it was mostly a second home community everyone knew everyone and everyone was friendly. The few rental houses back in the day were not the mega mansions rental homes we have today (that sleep 30) and the people were a whole lot friendlier than they are now. Many of the customary use advocates are encouraging some very rude behavior towards beachfront homeowners. Tourists and locals alike have been trying to instigate reactions from homeowners by exhibiting very poor behavior on the beach in front of the houses. That's unacceptable. The county and some of the outspoken proponents of customary use have caused a division in our community that won't go away no matter how the courts decide. The ugly things said and done are out there can't be taken back and won't be forgotten. Renters that have read about all the crap going on here are also trying to stir the pot with rude behavior. It's sad that this is what our community had become.

I agree with you that becoming a completely rental community dominated by absentee owners is what got us to this terrible place. Local proponents in favor of preserving the human right of customary use of the beaches aren't trying to instigate the increase in rude behavior. They are just genuinely angry at the destruction of the beauty of this beach. The truly sad part is that the rude behavior that BFO's use for their excuse to perpetrate this land grab are not locals. They are tourons. This community was made up of nice, gentle people before the invasion of arrogant mega-wealth and monster houses.

That's how it was before South Walton and 30A became a rental community. When it was mostly a second home community everyone knew everyone and everyone was friendly. The few rental houses back in the day were not the mega mansions rental homes we have today (that sleep 30) and the people were a whole lot friendlier than they are now. Many of the customary use advocates are encouraging some very rude behavior towards beachfront homeowners. Tourists and locals alike have been trying to instigate reactions from homeowners by exhibiting very poor behavior on the beach in front of the houses. That's unacceptable. The county and some of the outspoken proponents of customary use have caused a division in our community that won't go away no matter how the courts decide. The ugly things said and done are out there can't be taken back and won't be forgotten. Renters that have read about all the crap going on here are also trying to stir the pot with rude behavior. It's sad that this is what our community had become.

It is the beachfront homeowners trying to keep people from enjoying the beach who are causing division. Their lawyers make a rude beachgoer look like little baby Jesus.

Causing a ruckus to protect people's right to walk our beaches is power to the people.

It is the beachfront homeowners trying to keep people from enjoying the beach who are causing division. Their lawyers make a rude beachgoer look like little baby Jesus.

Causing a ruckus to protect people's right to walk our beaches is power to the people.

Wrong. It is the few very vocal CU advocates using the COUNTY and taxpayer dollars to SUE the beach property owners forced to defend themselves in court using their own money.

Thank you for suing me.

Shannon

Wrong. It is the few very vocal CU advocates using the COUNTY and taxpayer dollars to SUE the beach property owners forced to defend themselves in court using their own money.

Thank you for suing me.

Shannon

Why not sell and get a house that is private, away from tourists?

I agree with you that becoming a completely rental community dominated by absentee owners is what got us to this terrible place. Local proponents in favor of preserving the human right of customary use of the beaches aren't trying to instigate the increase in rude behavior. They are just genuinely angry at the destruction of the beauty of this beach. The truly sad part is that the rude behavior that BFO's use for their excuse to perpetrate this land grab are not locals. They are tourons. This community was made up of nice, gentle people before the invasion of arrogant mega-wealth and monster houses.

Have you not read beachfront owners posts that are LOCALS, not "tourons" or even if the majority of owners reside somewhere else; their property rights are the same as your property rights - except to the MHWL. The COMMISSIONERS and those that want what you want, when you want it, those who do not respect private property rights, respect the law and Constitution, who are angry because they are ignorant of the law and of change, are rude calling owners "tourons" and vilifying owners for protecting their property rights from the Walton commissioners's illegal private property land grab, a private land grab that is commissioner's quick "fix" to their beach supply/demand failure. LOCALS like me that are rich for other reasons but not wealthy. LOCAL owners who have to rent their beachfront to pay the multiple tens of thousands of dollars for Walton property taxes. I've paid more in property taxes over the decades than we paid for the property! There is NO "human right of customary use" except in your and other's mind. Show me the facts! Where do you get the human right to customary use. STOP with the vilification of beachfront owners protecting their US Constitutional rights. You are not representative of the nice, gentle locals, locals like me and other beachfront owners, that I know.

Why not sell and get a house that is private, away from tourists?

Most owners have a house that is private and don't mind most respectful and considerate tourist or residents. Why don't you respect the Constitution and private property rights and use the NINE miles of public beach?

LOCAL owners who have to rent their beachfront to pay the multiple tens of thousands of dollars for Walton property taxes.

Why should everyone else have to suffer because some people spent above their means? I could have bought beach front back when I moved to SOWAL (30+ years ago) but I took into consideration the costs of taxes,insurance,repair/replacement in the event of a hurricane, etc. and decided it just wasnt worth it. Its "keeping up with the Jones (and huckabees and bryants)" at its finest.

I am done. It is evident that some here are of the "new" breed of beachfront owner; the kind who were duped into believing their sand was private and who were also duped into paying way too much for their postage stamp sized grassy yard.
Meanwhile, I will go back to every Sunday afternoon on the beach, usually in front of a house of an owner who "gets it." She has told us don't cause issues, clean up after yourself, I'm not here, but when I am, I'll come down and have a beer with you.
That, my friends, is how it used to be before greed took over and how it should be again.

Thank you @ShallowsNole for sharing your experiences and knowledge from your work with Walton County over the years.

Have you not read beachfront owners posts that are LOCALS, not "tourons" or even if the majority of owners reside somewhere else; their property rights are the same as your property rights - except to the MHWL. The COMMISSIONERS and those that want what you want, when you want it, those who do not respect private property rights, respect the law and Constitution, who are angry because they are ignorant of the law and of change, are rude calling owners "tourons" and vilifying owners for protecting their property rights from the Walton commissioners's illegal private property land grab, a private land grab that is commissioner's quick "fix" to their beach supply/demand failure. LOCALS like me that are rich for other reasons but not wealthy. LOCAL owners who have to rent their beachfront to pay the multiple tens of thousands of dollars for Walton property taxes. I've paid more in property taxes over the decades than we paid for the property! There is NO "human right of customary use" except in your and other's mind. Show me the facts! Where do you get the human right to customary use. STOP with the vilification of beachfront owners protecting their US Constitutional rights. You are not representative of the nice, gentle locals, locals like me and other beachfront owners, that I know.

Why don't you try reading more slowly, like at a Trump mentality. I said the "abuse" the BFO's keep bringing up, was done by "tourons", not locals. I didn't call any homeowner a "touron". If there is no such right as customary use of the beach, you got nothing to sweat about, do you? I think we are entitled to a chance to prove this in a court of law, don't you? Why are you villifying people that just want to carry on with what they have been doing for hundreds of years. YOU and your signs and your lawyers are the agent of change, and that change isn't morally right. When you got here, when your purchased your property, there were people using the beach in the custom they have always used it, and you were well aware of it.

Most owners have a house that is private and don't mind most respectful and considerate tourist or residents. Why don't you respect the Constitution and private property rights and use the NINE miles of public beach?

Personally I would never own a house where people could even walk by and see me on my porch or see in my windows. But that's me. Seems like a lot of gulf front owners feel the same but bought a house with tons of people all around them. That's a ton of money to spend to be so miserable.

Maybe they'd be happier in more private places instead of somewhere that people are going to be swimming, sunning, playing, partying, fornicating or who knows what. If you got to be on the beach find one that doesn't have all that. If that doesn't exist quit trying to kill yourself and pissing off 99% of the population in the process. What a waste of time and energy to pit yourself against the never ending waves of humanity. Look at the surf outside your window and imagine it is people. Never ending.