Quit claim of beach front land

I suspect this is what the DEP refers to as the Line of Continuous Construction, but I have also heard referred to as the CCL (by Walton County folks) as opposed to the CCCL. Plenty of confusion on acronyms to go around!

So...if CCL and/or CCCL are incorrect, what do YOU call the line that you cannot - or are not supposed to - build seaward of? Don't tell me you don't think there is one, because there most certainly is.

I suspect this is what the DEP refers to as the Line of Continuous Construction, but I have also heard referred to as the CCL (by Walton County folks) as opposed to the CCCL. Plenty of confusion on acronyms to go around!

I'll add one more confusion to the mix. There was line called the CSBL (Coastal Set-Back Line) that was different than the CCCL. Even with a variance to extend construction seaward of the CCCL, you absolutely could not build seaward of the CSBL. Attached is a map composed by a FDEP official, Roland Gomez, with that line delineated.

Beyond ridiculous is right. The idea that a handful of people and lawyers can keep us off our beaches is ridiculous.

IMO we should all ignore them and use the beaches as we always have. Ignore them.

If you are a beachfront owner and there are problem people preventing you from quiet enjoyment near your property, call the law like the rest of us do when necessary. End of story.

Please do go to Seaside's residence only beach that most here, including you know about. Most "long timers" here on sowal dot com have been whining and complaining about private vs. public beaches for a decade. Ten years!

All of you, just use Seaside's private beach --- in fact knock on founder Robert Davis' door and tell him he's an a*hole for having a private residences only beach and you and everyone in Walton county is going to ignore him and use it anyways. Tell him how pissed you are that he allowed the public to use a portion of his private beach - but kept the rest of it private just for his owners.

Then go to Watersound's beach club and use their beach - tell them resident Rauschkolb said it was okay. Go to Watercolor and tell them you are friends with resident Daniel Uhlfelder and he thinks all beach property is public and that's good enough for you, and so you are going to use their private beach too. Go to Rosemary Beach and use that resident's only beach and tell the owners you are ignoring them.

Stop picking on the little guys protecting their property rights - at least have some courage to go against the big names who all of you have made "off limits" because your customary use leaders live there.

Coastal Construction Control Line Program | Florida Department of Environmental Protection

The first line of jurisdiction is a "50-foot set-back line," set 50 feet from erosion control lines or from the mean high water line, which ever is more landward.
Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

Please do go to Seaside's residence only beach that most here, including you know about. Most "long timers" here on sowal dot com have been whining and complaining about private vs. public beaches for a decade. Ten years!

All of you, just use Seaside's private beach --- in fact knock on founder Robert Davis' door and tell him he's an a*hole for having a private residences only beach and you and everyone in Walton county is going to ignore him and use it anyways. Tell him how pissed you are that he allowed the public to use a portion of his private beach - but kept the rest of it private just for his owners.

Then go to Watersound's beach club and use their beach - tell them resident Rauschkolb said it was okay. Go to Watercolor and tell them you are friends with resident Daniel Uhlfelder and he thinks all beach property is public and that's good enough for you, and so you are going to use their private beach too. Go to Rosemary Beach and use that resident's only beach and tell the owners you are ignoring them.

Stop picking on the little guys protecting their property rights - at least have some courage to go against the big names who all of you have made "off limits" because your customary use leaders live there.

I don't discriminate. I use any beach, any time, anywhere. Call the cops I don't care. Except I'm sure they have something better to do than be your beach cop. As for resort security I pay no more attention to them than I would a mall cop. I'm doing nothing wrong go bother someone else.

I don't discriminate. I use any beach, any time, anywhere. Call the cops I don't care. Except I'm sure they have something better to do than be your beach cop. As for resort security I pay no more attention to them than I would a mall cop. I'm doing nothing wrong go bother someone else.

Photos of you set-up during the weekend at Seaside Residents only beach, Watersound Beach Club, and Watercolor otherwise nothing but tough "sowal dot com" talk from an anonymous poster - we've got ten years of that!

Photos of you set-up during the weekend at Seaside Residents only beach, Watersound Beach Club, and Watercolor otherwise nothing but tough "sowal dot com" talk from an anonymous poster - we've got ten years of that!

I don't do set ups. I don't use other people's walkovers, pee in the dunes, or play music. But I will go on any beach, any time, anywhere. Your paper means nothing to me. You're wasting your money and your breath. SoWal is a community of beach lovers. You are a community of none.

I don't do set ups. I don't use other people's walkovers, pee in the dunes, or play music. But I will go on any beach, any time, anywhere. Your paper means nothing to me. You're wasting your money and your breath. SoWal is a community of beach lovers. You are a community of none.

Oh I get it, you are one of those the rules don't apply to me types. EYE ROLL

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Please do go to Seaside's residence only beach that most here, including you know about. Most "long timers" here on sowal dot com have been whining and complaining about private vs. public beaches for a decade. Ten years! How would you know? You have barely been on here 10 days!

All of you, just use Seaside's private beach --- in fact knock on founder Robert Davis' door and tell him he's an a*hole for having a private residences only beach and you and everyone in Walton county is going to ignore him and use it anyways. Tell him how pissed you are that he allowed the public to use a portion of his private beach - but kept the rest of it private just for his owners. Robert hasnt lived here in years. And back when they did live here I walked "their" beach all the time. He didnt seem to care.

Then go to Watersound's beach club and use their beach - tell them resident Rauschkolb said it was okay. Go to Watercolor and tell them you are friends with resident Daniel Uhlfelder and he thinks all beach property is public and that's good enough for you, and so you are going to use their private beach too. Go to Rosemary Beach and use that resident's only beach and tell the owners you are ignoring them. I HAVE been to Watersound AND Rosemary beaches, no one said a word to me.

Stop picking on the little guys protecting their property rights - at least have some courage to go against the big names who all of you have made "off limits" because your customary use leaders live there.

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Completely missing the point "jodi" ... you probably walked my beach too ... I don't care but I didn't know you did it either. There's a world's difference between 1 person walking a beach without any attention to themselves vs. setting up your beach set-up with chairs umbrella etc and doing it in the "resort" private beaches which have been curiously untouched and left out of the debate by the customary use leaders and supporters. Again, this is not about locals walking around on the beach and waving to each other.

I'll add one more confusion to the mix. There was line called the CSBL (Coastal Set-Back Line) that was different than the CCCL. Even with a variance to extend construction seaward of the CCCL, you absolutely could not build seaward of the CSBL. Attached is a map composed by a FDEP official, Roland Gomez, with that line delineated.

Looks like the vacant lot on that particular file really affects the CSBL. Surely, that doesn't mean the vacant lot would be unbuildable, but who knows around here.

So...if CCL and/or CCCL are incorrect, what do YOU call the line that you cannot - or are not supposed to - build seaward of? Don't tell me you don't think there is one, because there most certainly is.

I'm not saying they are correct or not. Just offering a possible explanation of what the CCL is compared to the CCCL.

I don't do set ups. I don't use other people's walkovers, pee in the dunes, or play music. But I will go on any beach, any time, anywhere. Your paper means nothing to me. You're wasting your money and your breath. SoWal is a community of beach lovers. You are a community of none.

Doesn't sound like you are part of the problem if you don't set up in those areas. Good for you.

Looks like the vacant lot on that particular file really affects the CSBL. Surely, that doesn't mean the vacant lot would be unbuildable, but who knows around here.

The CSBL doesn’t seem to exist anymore. Possibly due to Red Tide Rick’s “restructuring” of DEP, who won’t reply to any inquiries about what happen to it.

Stop with the talking points. There's been a handful of quiet title actions. There are 1,000 of BFO's. Are you really suggesting SEASIDE got their beach property through quiet title? WATERSOUND? WATERCOLOR? ROSEMARY BEACH?

This is getting beyond ridiculous.

No talking points, just a question which obviously hit a nerve with you.

If I was "suggesting" those properties I would have mentioned them. I was referring to The Drawbridge Gang, those BFOs that bought their properties, then ran their quiet title play, then declared it "theirs".

No talking points, just a question which obviously hit a nerve with you.

If I was "suggesting" those properties I would have mentioned them. I was referring to The Drawbridge Gang, those BFOs that bought their properties, then ran their quiet title play, then declared it "theirs".

Yes it hits a nerve and it should every property owner in the county. There are a handful of quiet title claims. In the majority of the claims, there is a legal basis for seeking the claim (a developer failed to transfer ownership, etc).

So who is the "Drawbridge gang"? I assume you are talking about those several decades ago. And what is a "quiet title play"? I know what is being alleged, but there's no evidence of it.

Please let's be specific because this myth is being thrown around - but every time I have looked into the claim, it is meritorious (meaning there is a legitimate reason for it). You might disagree with it, but if you aren't a party to the claim then it really isn't your or anyone else's concern by law. If it's not county property or the county doesn't have an easement/ROW then it's not their concern either.

There is no evidence of any BFO buying property and then using quiet title to gain public property. And I know of no judge who has ruled in that way. If you have a case, please share it.

This charge has grown into a myth and folklore. It clouds a thousand or so property owners titles --- the people who propelled this conspiracy theory into the common lingo should be held accountable.

Walton customary use beachfront quiet title conspiracist - time to put up or shut up! Where is your evidence for all or any beachfront quiet title not ruled on by a judge? Why hasn't Walton commissioners litigated against all Walton public beachfront you claim beachfront owners stole with quiet title? Do you really think a private beachfront owner just submit a quiet title claim form or does the beachfront owner have to submit EVIDENCE in court and a JUDGE rules to "quiet" the property title based on the evidence?

The beach from Dothan to pelayo , is gulf shore manor beach. The judge even made an order of it. Go back and look at how these properties where recorded. They where part of gov. Lots.All the lots for gulf shore manor make up the ownership of the beach front . you will notice these have been claimed slowly. Even with a judgement for perpetual use.

The beach from Dothan to pelayo , is gulf shore manor beach. The judge even made an order of it. Go back and look at how these properties where recorded. They where part of gov. Lots.All the lots for gNaulf shore manor make up the ownership of the beach front . you will notice these have been claimed slowly. Even with a judgement for perpetual use.

Debunked. We have already been through this one with a fine tooth comb. You are mixing up the parties. The case was NOT about a perpetual easement for the PUBLIC --- it was for the owners of Gulf Shores Manor - it's right there in paragraph 1.

The land was owned by First National Bank and Trust. There's no evidence they obtained "public property" the recordings are legal. If you don't think they are --- then state why and be specific. If you think they were purchased for $100 that's already been debunked - the titles were transferred from another private party - NOT the Government.

You do understand that legal descriptions of property state Gov lots as those were the original surveys? Townships, gov lots. This says nothing other than the government originally owned all the Florida and those surveys of townships and lots are still referenced. I'll post one of the original surveys here.

What else about the case are you suggesting is an issue?

A LOT of the places north of 30A in Seagrove came with deeded beach access. Pretty sure more than half have been taken by quiet title/quick claim because the owners were probably never notified about it. Wouldnt surprise me if thats the reason the BCC has been kinda silent regarding that. All the lots on San Juan, Montigo etc. are still being sold with deeded access but you would be hard pressed to find the walkover for them.

A LOT of the places north of 30A in Seagrove came with deeded beach access. Pretty sure more than half have been taken by quiet title/quick claim because the owners were probably never notified about it. Wouldnt surprise me if thats the reason the BCC has been kinda silent regarding that. All the lots on San Juan, Montigo etc. are still being sold with deeded access but you would be hard pressed to find the walkover for them.

So let me understand what you are saying.
1. Many places north of 30A came with deeded beach (interest in a private parcel of beach). You used the word - deeded access - do you mean a private walkover? If so it's semantics - private walkovers dump out to private beach parcel, why would you have a private walkover to a public beach.

2. More than half (you estimate) were removed by the private parcel owner of the access/beach through quiet title.

Mildly interesting but does not prove that any owner "took" PUBLIC property through quiet title. It would be a private matter between two private parties. Not sure why you would think the country would have any interest or right to be party to any such quiet title suit?

If you are suggesting that the deeded access was to public property - that doesn't make any sense. The county does not have any right to join a private property with an interest in public property.

If the owner with deeded access was not notified then they have a claim against the property owner, because all parties with interest are required by law to be notified.

Please correct me as I'm not familiar with the details.

Yea I am saying that there are accesses that legally belong to property owners north of 30A that have been taken over by BFOs. There are even pictures somewhere on this site (I think) of one that Mr. McMansion landscaped and put up palm trees in the middle of it.

I'll repeat - if all Walton beachfront deeds are improper why wouldn't the Walton commissioners not litigate the "quiet titles" - or maybe conspiracist don't know what you are talking about and should stop! Why don't conspiracist litigate Walton beachfront quiet title themselves - if they prevail they'd be heroes of the community against the evil beachfront owners and save tax payers millions of dollars - or stop with the public quiet title conspiracies, Facebook legal analysis, and fake facts all Walton beachfront is quiet title.

Why would the judgement state the owners of gulf shore manor subdivision. If you notice the owners tried to take ownership and the judge ruled on behalf of the gulf shore manor subdivision. Also the land you are talking about was in that judgement. The property between the back of his house and the dunes belong to gulfshore manor. He has about 5 foot of setback.the he claimed the beach on other side of his property. And it's not just him it's the complete area. There was a road at top of dunes at one point.the developers purchased upland property , then they went to claiming land. That is when the ruling came in. If you go to top of dunes you can see where the line is. The sad thing this area is not the only one. Look at stallworth lake walkovers . You will see not long ago they took ownership of easements also

Yea I am saying that there are accesses that legally belong to property owners north of 30A that have been taken over by BFOs. There are even pictures somewhere on this site (I think) of one that Mr. McMansion landscaped and put up palm trees in the middle of it.

Well that sucks. I know when I bought my property I had to stay right on the title company as they were missing things. I know one neighborhood Seabreeze took Ramsgate to court and won back their access. So yes, I got ya now. I'm sure you are right and it's very ridiculous. But unfortunately, it was up to the deeded access owners to defend their interest and not let someone get away with pulling this kind of crap. Seems like a lot of messy stuff with property has gone on in Walton county. I could go through my neigborhoods battles but your point is well taken.