Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

Beach Lover

Apr 25, '19 · 7:46 AM526,5022

When you see a PCB or Destin bumper sticker, what thought immediately comes to mind? Probably same for all of us with any time spent here - nice, but it ain’t 30A! Do you remember why you started renting/visiting here? What was it? Remember when you bought your first 30A property? Why here?
Because it was DIFFERENT, right? Remember the words you used to describe it to family and friends as you invited them here? “Private” “Quiet” “Intimate” “Less crowded”. That wasn’t by accident. The entire genetic code of Sowal beaches is because of the private ownership and neighborhood beach personalities.
You could rent “private beach”. You could buy “private beach”. There wasn’t a free for all frat party atmosphere because of unlimited public beach access on the sands. That behavior was regulated by the privately owned property where such behavior was immediately squelched. And yet, by custom, no one was ever “Kicked off” of private beaches because owners don’t do that unless bad actors abuse the privilege.
Walton County has always had more than 50% PUBLIC beach. Still does. That hasn’t changed. There are now deliberately misleading fear tactics out there with scary words like “Quiet Title” and “Privatization”, neither of which have affected one single square inch of public beach, not one. Yet, the mob mentality, orchestrated by local carnival barkers eager for fame and notoriety, and dollars, have mislead the citizens and deliberately tried to divide the community in a shell game of Customary Use.
The fact is that the county outran the capabilities of local Commissioners to plan for growth 20 years ago, and we haven’t improved that talent to deal with it even yet. So the County, in failing to plan beach availability, tried to illegally claim private property as public, without following the laws requiring judicial oversight. The local Good Ol’ Boys overreached their authority and got caught by the adults in Tallahassee. So they then decides to sue 4,800 of Sowal citizens to take their property. That’s right, your tax money is being spent, and a lot of it, to SUE almost 5,000 of your neighbors, and steal what they agreed to purchase at a premium, and have a deed to prove it.
Don’t blame them please, they didn’t want or ask for this fight. They live here and care for these beaches just like you and me. Go meet them, they are truly the eclectic fabric of 30A. The signs they had to put up are just in defense of this new orchestrated public attack against them.
The bottom line is this: The minute you release the public to occupy all of Sowal beaches, you IMMEDIATELY get nasty Destin and PCB problems. How will you feel about that 30A sticker then? Nostalgic? Me too.

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Beach Fanatic

Jun 19, '19 · 9:15 AM#752

I have a strong feeling the Whiners on this thread have been banned from other internet sites. I think this thread should be locked or deleted.

Of course you do. Have anything else constructive and informative to add to the thread? And I'm not Huckabee.

Beach Fanatic

Jun 19, '19 · 10:31 AM#753

Epic? I don't think so. The metrics show 8 to 10 Private Property rights advocates posting and talking mainly to themselves and 11 or 12 CU advocates commenting as well. Most of the comments are from the 8 or 10 PPR advocates. It's the truth.

You’re correct on all counts so far....the comments from BFOs are the TRUTH, unlike what I’ve seen, heard and read from most CU advocates.

That's why I used the term "echo chamber." But, it's good for you folks to have a place to voice your beliefs. But 25 people, I would not call "epic" if its pretty much the same folks.

For a person who is a master media manipulator as well as a master maker and marketeer of mai-tais for the masses, you sure seem overly concerned with how much penetration this thread is making or not making into to the court of public opinion.

Personally I think you fear the lack of credibility from those with an intelligent open mind who especially happen to compare posts here on SoWal with posts on Facebook pages.

Just recently saw a comment on FB still thinking that Huckabee bought beachfront for $400 (as an example). That’s not surprising as there are a lot of ignorant posters on FB. The total lack of anyone correcting that mistruth, was.

But it’s exactly what you wanted to achieve, right?...one sided commentary along with a bunch of up and down mindless head bobbing.

Beach Comber

Jun 19, '19 · 11:53 AM#754

Epic? I don't think so. The metrics show 8 to 10 Private Property rights advocates posting and talking mainly to themselves and 11 or 12 CU advocates commenting as well. Most of the comments are from the 8 or 10 PPR advocates. It's the truth. That's why I used the term "echo chamber." But, it's good for you folks to have a place to voice your beliefs. But 25 people, I would not call "epic" if its pretty much the same folks.

Just wondering how you have access to metrics, Dave? In my limited understanding metrics are usually for those who are admins on a group. Are you an admin of the Sowal Forum? That’s an honest question from someone new to Sowal website. If you are an admin, can you tell me how long Reggie will be banned and if other rude people on this thread will be banned, blocked, or deleted? If you aren’t an admin, did you really go through the 40+ pages and track responses? Just curious how you labeled me and what you used as a measure.

Beach Fanatic

Jun 19, '19 · 11:55 AM#755

I have to say this about the BFO's even though I do not agree with them about what is public and what is private beach. They are respectful, they are informed and so far they do not shame others or use unacceptable words to demean and insult others. Many of you on the other side need to stop the insults. I'm not sure but if I were a BFO I believe I would have to fight for my property rights and keep disrespectful people out. I was at the beach this weekend and witnessed more than one incident of people disrespecting others AND our natural resource. I would like to think I could be more generous and sharing of my good fortune but some people just want what they want and don't give a rats aspirin bottle about respect just like in this forum. I think I have changed my mind on this issue.

Beach Fanatic

Jun 19, '19 · 12:00 PM#756

Just wondering how you have access to metrics, Dave? In my limited understanding metrics are usually for those who are admins on a group. Are you an admin of the Sowal Forum? That’s an honest question from someone new to Sowal website. If you are an admin, can you tell me how long Reggie will be banned and if other rude people on this thread will be banned, blocked, or deleted? If you aren’t an admin, did you really go through the 40+ pages and track responses? Just curious how you labeled me and what you used as a measure.

Epic? I don't think so. The metrics show 8 to 10 Private Property rights advocates posting and talking mainly to themselves and 11 or 12 CU advocates commenting as well. Most of the comments are from the 8 or 10 PPR advocates. It's the truth. That's why I used the term "echo chamber." But, it's good for you folks to have a place to voice your beliefs. But 25 people, I would not call "epic" if its pretty much the same folks.

No I am not a SoWal admin. Simple. while binge watching some Netflix series count the number of posts from each the posters. I was inspired by a comment from an earlier, pro private beach advocate's post on this thread when they referred to the number of posts from a particular CU advocate. It's all there. Pretty much the same finite group of folks. The pro private beach poster seemed to be very intently focused on "the metrics" and I thought, let's see really how many folks are making most of the posts. It was interesting to me to see if this thread truly was epic; that's all. Again, nothing "epic" in my opinion.

You, BeachSandpiper, have made 20 posts, new member only on this thread, Reggie, 52, Florida Beach Bum wins the prize with well over 100 (140) all by him/herself. Virtually all of his/her posts are related to this issue as a new, Feb 19, 2018 member. I think MMB Vagrant, a SoWal veteran, is a semi close second at 107. Auburn Fan 41, He/she has only made one other post on a different thread. This one thread seems to be holding his/her interest the most as a new member. I'm at 31 if I counted right. Fishing Fool, 13 posts, new member, only posting on this thread.

Edited Jun 19, '19 · 12:54 PM

SoWal Insider

Jun 19, '19 · 12:19 PM#757

I have to say this about the BFO's even though I do not agree with them about what is public and what is private beach. They are respectful, they are informed and so far they do not shame others or use unacceptable words to demean and insult others. Many of you on the other side need to stop the insults. I'm not sure but if I were a BFO I believe I would have to fight for my property rights and keep disrespectful people out. I was at the beach this weekend and witnessed more than one incident of people disrespecting others AND our natural resource. I would like to think I could be more generous and sharing of my good fortune but some people just want what they want and don't give a rats aspirin bottle about respect just like in this forum. I think I have changed my mind on this issue.

Have you read this whole thread from the beginning? The first twenty posts or so set the tone of this discourse. When the pro BFO people call normal good honest beach-goers “terroristic” and call the rest of us a “mob”, it went bad pretty quick. After that, it was barrage of propaganda, repeated over and over again. I’ve asked them repeatedly what is their purpose, and they say “getting the facts out to the public”. OK, they did that 30 pages ago. Do you believe the premise of their slogan: the title of this thread? They could have started with “try to see it my way”. They didn’t. They started out bullying people and blaming good people for continuing what they have done for hundreds of years. That’s insulting.

Beach LoverAuthor

Jun 19, '19 · 12:38 PM#758

No I am not an admin. Simple. while binge watching some Netflix series count the number of posts from each the posters. I was inspired by a comment from an earlier, pro private beach advocate's post on this thread when they referred to the number of posts from a particular CU advocate. It's all there. Pretty much the same finite group of folks. The poster seemed to be very intently focused on "the metrics" and I thought, let's see really how many folks are making most of the posts. It was interesting to me; that's all. Again, nothing "epic" in my opinion.

You have made 20 posts, Reggie, 52, Florida Beach Bum wins the prize with well over 100 (140) all by him/herself. Virtually all of his/her posts are related to this issue as a new, Feb 19, 2018 member. I think MMB Vagrant is a semi close second at 107. Auburn Fan 41, He/she has only made one other post on a different thread. This one thread seems to be holding his/her interest the most as a new member. I'm at 31 if I counted right.

Echo Chamber:
Controlled and sanitized place/space where single point of view is promoted without challenge
A place where all contrarian views are eliminated, squelched, not allowed to be heard.
A safe place to promote propaganda that is a false narrative, to convince an uninformed mass of a false premise and promise.
Think Venezuelan/Cuban/Chinese media = Echo Chamber
Usually a tactic of Socialist and other types of tyrannical governments to prevent the truth from being heard.
Now, SoWal forum isn't there, yet.
But are there any such local places/pages that you can think of that have not allowed contrarian views to be heard? Can you think of any places where a group of people sharing a fact based position were deliberately eliminated from voicing the truth? Are there any CU organizations that don't allow true public discourse?Anyone? Hmmmm. Find THAT, and you'll have your echo chamber.

Skunky

Jun 19, '19 · 1:00 PM#759

I'm pleasantly surprised that no fistfights have taken place over this issue. :lol:

Beach Fanatic

Jun 19, '19 · 1:05 PM#760

I'm pleasantly surprised that no fistfights have taken place over this issue.

Meet me behind Vizcaya! :box:

Beach Fanatic

Jun 19, '19 · 3:31 PM#761

At 11:31 AM today I quoted the last post from Dave Rauschkolb.

At 1:00 PM today Dave Rauschkolb then posts the very same post I quoted.

I’m telling you folks, be careful taking me on. I can read minds.

SoWal Insider

Jun 19, '19 · 3:41 PM#762

Dave's first post about this thread being so "epic" was at 8:45. He later expounded on that at 1:00pm. Most likely he used that clever trick of copy and paste. Vagrant ought to try reading his own mind before trying to read other people's.

Beach Comber

Jun 19, '19 · 3:56 PM#763

You, BeachSandpiper, have made 20 posts, new member only on this thread, Reggie, 52, Florida Beach Bum wins the prize with well over 100 (140) all by him/herself. Virtually all of his/her posts are related to this issue as a new, Feb 19, 2018 member. I think MMB Vagrant, a SoWal veteran, is a semi close second at 107. Auburn Fan 41, He/she has only made one other post on a different thread. This one thread seems to be holding his/her interest the most as a new member. I'm at 31 if I counted right. Fishing Fool, 13 posts, new member, only posting on this thread.[/QUOTE

Wow. I find it odd that you would give this thread so much time to count who is responding and how long they have been members here. Should I not respond to this thread because I’m new? Why does that matter? I know this is off topic for this thread, but I thought this forum was for open discussion but it seems my motives are under suspicion just because I’m new. Weird. Just because you havent seen my posts in other threads doesnt mean I haven’t read others. I just don’t feel the need to post much. Is SoWal Forum just for the old guys? Is it wrong that a thread is interesting to new people? Like I said, I find it odd that you’re tracking this conversation so closely, Dave. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

Beach Fanatic

Jun 19, '19 · 3:57 PM#764

LVT,
Still can’t take a joke, can you?

We are apparently losing our sense of honor as well as the Legacy of 30A.

SoWal Insider

Jun 19, '19 · 4:04 PM#765

Oh, that was a joke? I just thought it was lame attempt at joke. Stay alert. Big words being used on this thread.

SoWal Insider

Jun 19, '19 · 4:07 PM#766

You, BeachSandpiper, have made 20 posts, new member only on this thread, Reggie, 52, Florida Beach Bum wins the prize with well over 100 (140) all by him/herself. Virtually all of his/her posts are related to this issue as a new, Feb 19, 2018 member. I think MMB Vagrant, a SoWal veteran, is a semi close second at 107. Auburn Fan 41, He/she has only made one other post on a different thread. This one thread seems to be holding his/her interest the most as a new member. I'm at 31 if I counted right. Fishing Fool, 13 posts, new member, only posting on this thread.[/QUOTE

Wow. I find it odd that you would give this thread so much time to count who is responding and how long they have been members here. Should I not respond to this thread because I’m new? Why does that matter? I know this is off topic for this thread, but I thought this forum was for open discussion but it seems my motives are under suspicion just because I’m new. Weird. Just because you havent seen my posts in other threads doesnt mean I haven’t read others. I just don’t feel the need to post much. Is SoWal Forum just for the old guys? Is it wrong that a thread is interesting to new people? Like I said, I find it odd that you’re tracking this conversation so closely, Dave. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

I, for one, am glad that Dave has posted the post counts. Florida Beach Bum and Blue Mountain Vagrant, it seems , have had a preponderance of posts. I'm just here to point out that that is a great tactic if your plan is to propagate propaganda.

Beach Fanatic

Jun 19, '19 · 4:12 PM#767

I, for one, am glad that Dave has posted the post counts. Florida Beach Bum and Blue Mountain Vagrant, it seems , have had a preponderance of posts. I'm just here to point out that that is a great tactic if your plan is to propagate propaganda.

And you’ve been a wall flower.

GEEZE, LVT, give it up. Personally, I think you’re actually a BFO, posting juvenile, insignificant posts just to make us look better.

SoWal Insider

Jun 19, '19 · 4:17 PM#768

I've not been a wall flower. If someone doesn't challenge y'all's morals and tactics, then the whole community loses.

Edited Jun 19, '19 · 4:39 PM

SoWal Insider

Jun 19, '19 · 4:37 PM#769

Beach Lover

Jun 19, '19 · 5:19 PM#770

With all due respect:
Reggie created perhaps the most profitable thread SoWal has seen in recent history, as far as 30,000 plus views and 800 comments. Surely a boost for ad revenues and market penetration? His unique way of asking questions sparked great, sometimes heated, dialogue that is quite relevant and compelling.
Admins say he was "temporarily" banned. But the creator of this epic thread is still being censored from participation, when others are breaking many more rules than Reggie ever did. He hit a nerve, a personal one, we get it. Bad decision. But telling us that he was temporarily banned, and then keeping him silenced, while allowing worse breeches, do not align. WWRD

Hate to break it to you but I doubt anyone cares what you think about running things. You break rules you pay the price. On a free site BTW.
How is a thread profitable?

SoWal Insider

Jun 19, '19 · 5:35 PM#771

Hate to break it to you but I doubt anyone cares what you think about running things. You break rules you pay the price. On a free site BTW.
How is a thread profitable?

The BFO “lobby” brings up money all the time. It’s just another obnoxious stereotype that they fit into.

Edited Jun 19, '19 · 5:51 PM

Beach Fanatic

Jun 19, '19 · 7:01 PM#772

Epic? I don't think so. The metrics show 8 to 10 Private Property rights advocates posting and talking mainly to themselves and 11 or 12 CU advocates commenting as well. Most of the comments are from the 8 or 10 PPR advocates. It's the truth. That's why I used the term "echo chamber." But, it's good for you folks to have a place to voice your beliefs. But 25 people, I would not call "epic" if its pretty much the same folks.

You, BeachSandpiper, have made 20 posts, new member only on this thread, Reggie, 52, Florida Beach Bum wins the prize with well over 100 (140) all by him/herself. Virtually all of his/her posts are related to this issue as a new, Feb 19, 2018 member. I think MMB Vagrant, a SoWal veteran, is a semi close second at 107. Auburn Fan 41, He/she has only made one other post on a different thread. This one thread seems to be holding his/her interest the most as a new member. I'm at 31 if I counted right. Fishing Fool, 13 posts, new member, only posting on this thread.

Dang, I go to work and an Epic thread broke out. How does Dave Rauschkolb with the FBFA legal responsibilities, constant social media posts, Netflix binge watching, count 820(?) SoWal posts, and have time to run a Seaside multi-million dollar beach-view business at the peak of the summer season?

SO WHAT!? More nonsense and distractions about SoWal “metrics”? Is Rauschkolb’s point there are ONLY 8 to 10 (which is it 8 or 10?) or a "handful" of BFOs taking the time to shine the light of facts and reason on the CU myths? That none of the other 4,671 BFOs care? Already addressed but maybe you did not read the post. #651 Customary Use Will Destroy Our 30A Legacy

I have the most posts because there is soooo much CU misinformation to cover. And you can't explain the facts and why CU sound bites are wrong - in a sound bite.

I’m a long time SoWal reader. Member since Feb 9, 2017, not 2018. Interesting reading back over old posts.
Customary Use Ordinance Committee Organizational Meeting 1/16/17
Support Customary Use - Your Input Needed
Mike Huckabee’s [non]role in pushing controversial beach access law
Quit claim of beach front land
July Bed Tax numbers 2018 prediction of Walton economic catastrophe
Reasons Behind Customary Use - Protection or Development?
Open question for beach front homeowners, their lawyers and their politician friends
Supporting Property Rights

You never answer the previous question or any easy right/wrong question; Do you think property right posts in Walton County Ideas for Visioning and Quality of Life FB would (1) be allowed and accepted as a credible view even with facts or (2) deleted or (3) be shouted-down with vitriol and no alternative facts?
If you have nothing credible to add - saying nothing is a good tactic.

Edited Jun 19, '19 · 7:18 PM

Beach Fanatic

Jun 19, '19 · 7:09 PM#773

Have you read this whole thread from the beginning? The first twenty posts or so set the tone of this discourse .... They started out bullying people and blaming good people for continuing what they have done for hundreds of years. That’s insulting.

LV2 disagree with your premise, I won't say it's wrong because it's your opinion, that "first 20 posts or so set the tone of the discourse." Assume you mean a "tone" to pick a fight or to insult CU belivers. Anyone can read the first 20 post in the thread.
#1 When you see a PCB or Destin bumper sticker, what thought immediately comes to mind? Probably same for all of us with any time spent here - nice, but it ain’t 30A! Do you remember why you started renting/visiting here? What was it? Remember when you bought your first 30A property? Why here? .... Nostalgic? Me too.

#20 “This is the most ridiculous comment. No one ever spoke of our beaches being private until a few years ago when this nonsense started.”

Lets say you have a credible point that property rights advocates came looking for a fight, what did you do to change "the tone"? You are responsible for your own words and your "worst reflexes". No one else. #698 Customary Use Will Destroy Our 30A Legacy

Edited Jun 19, '19 · 7:19 PM

Beach Fanatic

Jun 19, '19 · 7:25 PM#774

Calling yourself a property rights activist sets a false tone. The title of this thread sets a negative and false tone. Invading this forum aggressively en masse sets a bad tone.

Right or wrong you're a bad neighbor and bad for our community.

Beach Fanatic

Jun 19, '19 · 7:26 PM#775

On a free site BTW. How is a thread profitable?

See the Advertisements on the Right and Bottom? They are not free. Guessing pay SoWal by number displayed or clicked.

Beach Fanatic

Jun 19, '19 · 7:33 PM#776

Calling yourself a property rights activist sets a false tone. The title of this thread sets a negative and false tone. Invading this forum aggressively en masse sets a bad tone.
Right or wrong you're a bad neighbor and bad for our community.

Property rights advocates is what I've called myself and BFOs before - not activists < that's your word. You have an opinion about the "tone" and BFOs have an different opinion - so we are even on opinions. Is your opinion superior to any other opinion? If so why?
"Invading this forum aggressively en mass" Really? Invading? En mass? According to Rauschkolb there's only 8 BFOs . If credible facts are considered "aggressive" - so be it.

What am I up to? 144?

Edited Jun 19, '19 · 7:46 PM