Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

FBB I do not think you understand my position. I am not a CU activist. I am just an individual who enjoys "the beach" and enjoys being part of a community even with all the flaws and differences of opinions between the people in this community. I do not know you and even if I did I would not judge you for being rich or powerful or anything else. I will not judge you if you hurt me, my family, my friends or my community but I will defend just as you. All I know about you is the words you type in this forum. I have formed an opinion based on those words. Your opinions of me are only based on the words that I type in this forum. Maybe this is not a good place to form an opinion but it is what we humans do. I have learned a lot about you from your words. I have agreed with many of your words but the more I read them the more I sense a darkness. Your building stands where I use to see a sand dune and a sunset. On another property a sign and a chain restricts my freedom to traverse up and down the beach. You seem to reject anything outside that box that you are dedicated to. You ask me a question about how many BFO's are posting signs. I do not know the number but I assume the number will grow based on your posts and other BFO's. The unwillingness to compromise speaks volumes even though you have such good fortune to own beach front property. It is quite shocking. Okay shocking is a bit dramatic because I am a realist but the point is that you have focused on one part of truth and justice even though life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is almost infinitely more complex. I give you credit that you are razor sharp in your purpose. I think we are from different worlds and we may never be given a chance to know each other properly. You seem to think that going to school and working hard is the difference between us. You have no idea how many people will never have the same opportunities that you have even though they have educated themselves and work just as hard as you do. You are justifying an economic system that favors wealth. Wealth finds a way to kill the competition from the middle class. IMO the middle class is the back bone of this country and I can assure you the middle class is not the class buying beach front property anymore. Yes, I digress only to help you understand that resentment will grow from The People. You laughed at this before. You know a lot but I don't think you know The People...

Mputnal,

After reading all your posts, it appears to me that you are talking in circles. Please try focusing on one point at a time....blocked beach views, definition of wealth, happiness, sense of community, economic system, school, working hard, sense of darkness, resentment, knowing the People, on and on.

And I have a real problem with your statement to FBB, “The unwillingness to compromise speaks volumes even though you have such good fortune to own beach front property.”

I’d highly suggest that you also direct such comments at Mr. NO COMPROMISE, Dave Rauschkolb. He has repeatedly stated that he will not compromise, period. ICYMI, he is the chairman of Florida Beaches for All, who is co-plaintiff along with the county against all BFOs as well as one of the main voices for CU.

Oh yeah, and when I mention a realistic compromise that would accommodate more public beach goers, I am lumped in with White Supremists by Dave Rauschkolb. So let’s be honest, at this point, what’s the use in trying to compromise? I can’t believe you’re passing judgement on FBB regarding compromise.

On the surface, you appear to be a introspective individual and try very hard to validate your views with many “feel good emotions”. However much of what you post has nothing to do with fact, law and the Constitution.

BMBV you are correct. I have come full circle in this discussion BUT either you have not read all my post or you were not "listening". I first responded to Reggie's post. I explained why I supported public beaches, agreed that the tactics being used by CU activist were disrespectful and that I understand why BFO's would be upset about the tactics being used. Reggie's original post was about the legacy of 30A which was a discussion about community and who is responsible for the problems within the community. I simply tried to explain my opinion of why CU activist are emotional about keeping beaches public. If you had read my posts in other threads you would know that I have been attacked and called names in this forum by the same people who have attacked BFO's. Again you must not be listening to what I am trying to communicate which is that I believe it to be in the best interest of BFO's to compromise on their "right" to have full ownership and control of that part of land we call the beach. I am not asking you to agree with me because I understand the Constitutional principles that property rights are based on. But what I am asking is that you try and understand and allow other principles that people value as well AND we are talking about a natural resource that many if not all people enjoy. At the same time I am asking you to have thicker skin in dealing with CU activist. Yes that is a lot to ask of you but I think you can handle it. In my previous communications with people who throw around names like white supremist, nazi, racist and so on it is very hard to not get angry and fight back. I learned that is what they want you to do because you become an easy target in this click and send world of public opinion. Reggie seems able to handle this and not fight back so hard. FBB is learning the hard way just like I did. FBB seems to be so razor focused on the property rights versus government and justification of an economic system that favors wealth that it comes across as extremism. I have not talked about extremism but I believe it to be an enemy of democracy. I think our political system is becoming too extreme and less compromising. I digress. Sorry for bringing that up. My point is that you have an opportunity to see a bigger picture here so just try to work through the disrespect and name calling and realize that you can win this in court but still lose. I am not all knowing so I can be wrong but I strongly feel that BFO's have leverage to get some of the things you want if you settle this lawsuit now. It may already be too late from what I understand but my grandmother instilled into me that it is never too late.

Hello everyone! I was told this was a good place to discuss issues.

Noticed that one thing to be discussed at the Aug. 5 case management conference on the customary use complaint will be the possibility of mediation between the parties.

FBB I do not think you understand my position. I am not a CU activist.

- ".. but the more I read them the more I sense a darkness." No darkness; just clarity in the light of truth, facts, and understanding of the law.
- “I am not a CU activist.” IMO an idealist. Which is not bad but not always effective resolving issues.
- "Your building stands where I use to see a sand dune and a sunset. " Legally stands. You still can if you go to the public access and walk the 26 miles of public foreshore.
- "... a chain restricts my freedom to traverse up and down the beach." I invite you to find 1 beachfront chain that restricts your freedom; that is not authorized by a court or the law. Just not credible.
- "You seem to reject anything outside that box that you are dedicated to." You and CU believers do not? At least BFOs have American history and law that support their “box”.
- "I do not know the number but I assume the number will grow .." You know what they say when you assume anything without facts.
- "I think we are from different worlds..." Same world but a different view/understanding of world history and how the world in America works; here, today.
- "You seem to think that going to school and working hard is the difference between us." No! It’s about opportunity. You have the same opportunities in an American free market protected by the rule of law as I or anyone else does. Some have to work harder to overcome the obstacles. What other political and economic system allow for those opportunities for the most People? Socialism? Marxism? Commune of Communism?
- "You are justifying an economic system that favors wealth." Wow, just wow! You never did define wealth. No, capitalism and free markets favors those that work hard and provide value to others who then choose to reimburse them with their own wealth. Name a better economic or political system for the most People than in America.
- "Wealth finds a way to kill the competition from the middle class." No! I find your words about “wealth” jaded, dark, and defeatist. Our world views are be based on our experiences. Please do not project your life experiences on to me or others BFOs you do not know.
- “You laughed at this before.” I laughed at nothing but do not subscribe to your communal worldview of humanity that historically has failed the People; like in the old Soviet Union and more recently Venezuelans. I most laugh and shake my head at Florida Beaches for All, antisocial media, and other CU uninformed misinformation.

Deep philosophical thoughts as I said in #975. “You bring up Deep philosophical subjects, IMO, to a narrow discussion about property rights and public use of private property. Narrow because we could go off subject quickly if you want to delve into “human” philosophy, morals, ethics, political, social, and legal theory, etc.”

I’m no more extremist than you. Why would you not use the word passionate? Yours seems like a dark World view. Off to work to make money to pay my taxes.

Governments can use police powers to tell property owners HOW to use their property; not WHO can use their property. “It is just that simple.” If the People resent what BFOs have, by any American standard, obtained legally within a free market that any person could have achieved - that resentment is misplaced.

Noticed that one thing to be discussed at the Aug. 5 case management conference on the customary use complaint will be the possibility of mediation between the parties.

Thanks for pointing that out. There are a lot of things to discuss in that conference (just read it). It will be very interesting to see if Daniel Uhlfelder will be given a chance to speak regarding possible “mediation” as one of the agenda items. Ooops I meant to say Mrs. NO COMPROMISE. And I wonder if the county is starting to “read the tea leaves” regarding mediation. Nah, I’m just hallucinating.

FBB I don't think you will take my advice but here it goes anyway. If you are going to be this "passionate" about property rights at the expense of your community then don't get so riled up when you lose the support of your community and words get taken out of context. I now understand why the Commissioners did what they did. I now understand why The People believe that BFO's only care about themselves. If that upsets you it is because you know it is not fair and I agree with you but it is the "perception" every time you disconnect from this community. To take that another step I perceive that you believe you are better than the community. Apparently you are very good at making enough money to pay those taxes on your beach front property as you keep bringing up but you refuse to see the perspective of people who have not had the same opportunities as you. You justified your opportunity as being the same as anyone. Again that is a disconnect from the world of most people. You asked me to define wealth but I don't have to. Your perspective defines wealth. You are the primary spokesman for BFO's at least in word count on this forum. You have stated over and over your position about not needing government or community. How do you not see how these words will be understood by the masses? It is the reason I said we live in different worlds. Of course you are right in that we live in the same world with different perspectives but my point is that you have entitled yourself to one set of values over all other values. I am not exactly clear of conscience in that I have also put my set of values over others but I am aware that I have the potential to do this and determined to be better. I am certain you will continue to slice and dice and I will read your comments several times to make sure I am "listening" to your perspective and of course the evidence that you present for your perspective. Oh, yes I sometimes dream that I can afford to be an idealist but every time I do I wake up to a bunch of bills that must be paid

FBB one more thing about our economic system. It is broken. The reason it is broken is because of monopolization of resources. Capitalism is moving away from the free market system. Too big to fail has weakened the free market system but citizens united might have been a fatal blow. Yes, my opinion seems bleak on the surface but the only way to fix Capitalism it to be aware of it's flaws. I strongly agree with you that it is the best economic system on this planet! BUT, it likely will not last forever if we get complacent and allow a company to be so big that the government bails it out when it gets itself in trouble. Failure is our best teacher in Capitalism. Work hard. Fail. Work harder. I agree with you about socialism but it will come if we don't fix the problems with Capitalism. Nothing gets better without some amount of critical thought...

Hello everyone! I was told this was a good place to discuss issues.

Welcome! Jump right in! You'll learn some interesting things here.

Welcome! Jump right in! You'll learn some interesting things here.

Thank you ever so much for the welcome!

My crushing issue at the present moment is the dearth of duck liver Pâté in 30A. My precious poodles Dustin and Sydney will not touch their kibble without a generous dollop. I found goose liver Pâté but they have always abhorred goose in any form. The poor darlings haven't eaten since we disembarked the Gulfstream on Tuesday. If a proper Pâté cannot be found here then I will have it flown in I suppose. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Greetings BEACH FRONT OWNER! I am from the planet Earth. From what Star System did you come? The language you use sounds like maybe you are from the far away planet called Wealth. The language sounds similar to others that are here. Do you come in Peace?

Greetings BEACH FRONT OWNER! I am from the planet Earth. From what Star System did you come? The language you use sounds like maybe you are from the far away planet called Wealth. The language sounds similar to others that are here. Do you come in Peace?

I'm a bit suspicious that the over the top verbiage and description of life's travails indicate that beachfront owner is a rogue with an ax to grind.

I am greatly saddened and disappointed today here on SoWal.

My crushing issue at the present moment is the dearth of duck liver Pâté in 30A.

Faux BFO (Pam Hicks?), you might try the beach-view Seaside 30A restaurant for your Pâté. I’m sure you can get a private table for your dogs and CU posse if you say you believe in customary use of private property at the door or buy enough mai-tais.

Brings SoWal to a new CU low and about as legitimate as the CU anti-social media and not credible Florida Beaches for All misinformation. FBFA and Faux BFO are about as legitimate to the outcome of a football game as a streaker at half time. A cry for attention and a distraction to the players on the field playing the game. Except the Walton Commissioners Squids, v the BFO Patriots, are trying to change the Constitutional rules of the game and the referees and NFL will have to decide if the rules the Squids want to play by are in the rule book or not. The only other alternative to change the game play is for the Squid fans to rush the field, at least until law enforcement comes. CUnCourt.

The alternative to CU.




#custandinginwater

Greetings BEACH FRONT OWNER! I am from the planet Earth. From what Star System did you come? The language you use sounds like maybe you are from the far away planet called Wealth. The language sounds similar to others that are here. Do you come in Peace?

I beg your pardon kind sir! I do not apologize for my elevated station in life. My trust contributes generously to charitable organizations and I studied the plight of the common man during my years at John Brown University. I have also employed many blue collar folk, including the fortunate sons of Our Good Lord GOD who labored to construct my mansion where majestic dunes once stood here in this lovely place.
#LetThemEatCake

Boys & Girls,
This thread started as a unique way/place to have an adult conversation.
The admins are enjoying huge revenue advantage now, after much manipulation, but let's not lose focus.
Here's what we now know:
Many uninformed residents and visitors now know the truth about our long history of harmony on our private beaches.
Based on this long thread, There doesn't seem to be a viable case for CU.
CU leaders have failed to defend or support their position at all here.
THE annual Big CU Beach Protest Event drew only 78 people, 78.
Seems there have been legal actions against unscrupulous CU agitators.
The Judge, AND Commissioners seem to be opening doors - time for compromise.
All economic indicators are way up, in opposition to CU prognostication.
Let's get back to our 30A Legacy, looks like we're headed in right direction.

Reggie, Thank you for being the voice of compromise. Many of the voices here are all or nothing. So, to verify my assumption that you are a voice of reason please tell us what demands you are willing to give up. For example, are you willing to share the area of land behind your house with respectable people? I understand the devil is in the details but we need to start somewhere.

Beach front owner and others, don’t take words so literal all the time. Obviously my greetings was meant to be humorous! This is a heavy subject and we need to lighten it just a bit

Reggie, Thank you for being the voice of compromise. Many of the voices here are all or nothing. So, to verify my assumption that you are a voice of reason please tell us what demands you are willing to give up. For example, are you willing to share the area of land behind your house with respectable people? I understand the devil is in the details but we need to start somewhere.

Beach front owner and others, don’t take words so literal all the time. Obviously my greetings was meant to be humorous! This is a heavy subject and we need to lighten it just a bit

It’s simple:
First, I Do NOT Represent any BPO’s. I’d rather be the voice of reason, compromise isn’t quite accurate.

However, my original post stands. Our 30-A legacy was that of public beaches controlled by county, and private beaches governed by private owners. EVERYONE GOT ALONG!!!!

If there are a handful of owners not wanting you on their property, stay the hell off of it, like we did before, signs and all. It’s theirs, not yours, get over it.

If you want to go to beach and have access where public beach bleeds onto private, and owner doesn’t mind, be respectful: No tents, no cigarette butts, no glass, no trash, no holes, no music, etc.

NO F’IN AMBUSH SOCIAL MEDIA VIDEOS!!!!!!!!

If you happen to be on private property, and if owner would like prime spot on HIS/HER property, yield immediately.

It’s all about respect folks, both ways.

Both sides feel shafted, they both need to get over it. But that does NOT mean that private property is anything but that, including the right of exclusion, the most basic of constitutional rights.

It will take some time, and adult education. We handled it nicely until government and certain agitators got involved because of their personal interests. But the transition back to our intimate and unique beach community can be reestablished only without the radical extremism from both sides. County also needs to immediately buy a bunch of beach and communicate access. Owners need to chill like before. Owners will not, however, chill, until the lawsuits against them are dropped. They can’t, it’s just not possible to forfeit their property, no one would. The moral of the story: Without this pretend thing called CU, we can regain our 30-A legacy. Continue this CU noise, we destroy our 30-A legacy, regardless of “winner”.

Putting reason ahead of blame where is your compromise?

The right of exclusion is fair and I believe that is THE COMROMISE for both sides! BTW I’m on both sides!

I don’t agree with your premise. BPO’s have been illegally backed into a corner. They took nothing, they did nothing wrong. The government and government wannabes acted illegally and with incompetence, and got caught. There is no reason for a BPO to give anything up (compromise), other than good will. I say that they should, given the elimination of attacks/lawsuits/public activists, get back to their old ways of community sharing. This is of course entirely at their discretion. Nothing more.

If you are suggesting that BPO’s forfeit their right of exclusion, you are not on both sides. That can never happen under our constitution, and the way Walton beach property was sold. The Oregon, Hawaii, California, Texas referenced properties were never deeded and sold as private property like ours. That’s the difference. Everyone forgets where this all started. Private money for private property.

You are the voice of reason! We need people like you in this community. Thank you for creating this thread!