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Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

Reggie Gaskins avatar
Beach Lover
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When you see a PCB or Destin bumper sticker, what thought immediately comes to mind? Probably same for all of us with any time spent here - nice, but it ain’t 30A! Do you remember why you started renting/visiting here? What was it? Remember when you bought your first 30A property? Why here?
Because it was DIFFERENT, right? Remember the words you used to describe it to family and friends as you invited them here? “Private” “Quiet” “Intimate” “Less crowded”. That wasn’t by accident. The entire genetic code of Sowal beaches is because of the private ownership and neighborhood beach personalities.
You could rent “private beach”. You could buy “private beach”. There wasn’t a free for all frat party atmosphere because of unlimited public beach access on the sands. That behavior was regulated by the privately owned property where such behavior was immediately squelched. And yet, by custom, no one was ever “Kicked off” of private beaches because owners don’t do that unless bad actors abuse the privilege.
Walton County has always had more than 50% PUBLIC beach. Still does. That hasn’t changed. There are now deliberately misleading fear tactics out there with scary words like “Quiet Title” and “Privatization”, neither of which have affected one single square inch of public beach, not one. Yet, the mob mentality, orchestrated by local carnival barkers eager for fame and notoriety, and dollars, have mislead the citizens and deliberately tried to divide the community in a shell game of Customary Use.
The fact is that the county outran the capabilities of local Commissioners to plan for growth 20 years ago, and we haven’t improved that talent to deal with it even yet. So the County, in failing to plan beach availability, tried to illegally claim private property as public, without following the laws requiring judicial oversight. The local Good Ol’ Boys overreached their authority and got caught by the adults in Tallahassee. So they then decides to sue 4,800 of Sowal citizens to take their property. That’s right, your tax money is being spent, and a lot of it, to SUE almost 5,000 of your neighbors, and steal what they agreed to purchase at a premium, and have a deed to prove it.
Don’t blame them please, they didn’t want or ask for this fight. They live here and care for these beaches just like you and me. Go meet them, they are truly the eclectic fabric of 30A. The signs they had to put up are just in defense of this new orchestrated public attack against them.
The bottom line is this: The minute you release the public to occupy all of Sowal beaches, you IMMEDIATELY get nasty Destin and PCB problems. How will you feel about that 30A sticker then? Nostalgic? Me too.

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FactorFiction avatar
Beach Fanatic
#152
Seems that the thrust of that blog article at Editor's Opinion: Maybe Political Satire isn't for you? Or Maybe it's just for you! is that the ugly signs, chains, etc., are expression of political satire. Really? Or is that satire also? I get the feeling that the folks opposed to CU in this thread are just trying to goad pro CU folks into making comments that can be used in the opposition's lawsuit. Maybe not but I have a suspicious mind.

For what it's worth, MRBS, there are whole pages/groups of things that CU folks have already said on social media. Nobody needs to keep stirring the pot to get people on either side to say derogatory things. I thought the satire article was very interesting. I'm not a fan of satire because of the shaming intent, but I do enjoy facts and constructively expressed opinions. I found both in that article.
FactorFiction avatar
Beach Fanatic
#153
Saw an expanded version of this message on twitter. It resonated with me:

One the most precious and rare gifts we can give each other is to actually listen without bias. People have a need to be heard and listened to.

It goes both ways and here on SOWAL, we have that opportunity. Let's don't take it for granted. You never know, we might learn something.
Rachael Ashman McKee avatar
Beach Lover
#154
No one is required to put up a sign on the beach. EVER. Let's drop this stupid argument. We are not idiots.
It is dropped. And I’m sorry if my post implied that you or anyone are idiots. That was not my intention
FactorFiction avatar
Beach Fanatic
#155
It is dropped. And I’m sorry if my post implied that you or anyone are idiots. That was not my intention

Consider the source, Rachael. Some people just cannot be polite if their life depended on it.:dunno:
Beach Fanatic
#156
I get the feeling that the folks opposed to CU in this thread are just trying to goad pro CU folks into making comments that can be used in the opposition's lawsuit. Maybe not but I have a suspicious mind.

Something doesn't feel right about this entire thread. Can't put my finger on it but it doesn't seem genuine for some reason. Reads more like a game of chess rather than a discussion. Lots of subtle taunts and manipulation.
FloridaBeachBum avatar
Beach Fanatic
#157
Something doesn't feel right about this entire thread. Can't put my finger on it but it doesn't seem genuine for some reason. Reads more like a game of chess rather than a discussion. Lots of subtle taunts and manipulation.
"goad pro CU folks into making comments that can be used in the opposition's lawsuit." Manipulation? How and for what purpose? As Fact or Fiction said there is noting more those opposed to property rights can do except tear down private property signs or act on social media video allegedly showing harm to beachfront owners.
Lake View Too avatar
SoWal Insider
#158
Something doesn't feel right about this entire thread. Can't put my finger on it but it doesn't seem genuine for some reason. Reads more like a game of chess rather than a discussion. Lots of subtle taunts and manipulation.
Yes, you are right. Teresa said it correctly a long time ago. It's propaganda. It's gaslighting. Beginning with the bogus title of the thread and continuing with a barrage of misinformation, it is quite reminiscent of Nazi tactics used to dominate the media. No wait, I'm going to take that back. Definitely not Nazi. No way. Just bloviating and badgering.
FactorFiction avatar
Beach Fanatic
#159
Yes, you are right. Teresa said it correctly a long time ago. It's propaganda. It's gaslighting. Beginning with the bogus title of the thread and continuing with a barrage of misinformation, it is quite reminiscent of Nazi tactics used to dominate the media. No wait, I'm going to take that back. Definitely not Nazi. No way. Just bloviating and badgering.

Thanks for adding to my vocabulary! Unfortunately, since the word bloviating has an inherent negativity to it, I probably won't get many opportunities to use it. I try to treat people the way I would like to be treated. Demeaning and derogatory communications don't work very well for me. I still appreciate learning a new word though.
BlueMtnBeachVagrant avatar
Beach Fanatic
#160
Something doesn't feel right about this entire thread. Can't put my finger on it but it doesn't seem genuine for some reason. Reads more like a game of chess rather than a discussion. Lots of subtle taunts and manipulation.
TOO MUCH!!!

If this were a chess game, it would have been over a long time ago as chess doesn’t depend on bluff or “emotion” as does poker.

To me, this thread has been more about the way BFOs have been disrespected with such ill-will and misinformation by the “carnival barkers” mentioned in post #1 as well as others.

Still, to continue beating a dead horse (which is actually still kicking BTW), nobody here will acknowledge the most egregious thing a person can say about a group of people...that they acted like Nazis (“Jewish grandparents immigrated to this country because of oppression like this.”) Again this was comparing “oppression” to BFOs protecting their private property.

Until one of you guys on the CU side admit that this was a pretty lowly statement from Daniel Uhlfelder, all the “disagrees” and “dislikes” mean ZERO. Somebody needs to speak up against this, not just me. If not, it speaks volumes about our community and human nature.

So far, Dave Rauschkolb has chosen not to do so. Speaking of chess games, I wonder why?

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BlueMtnBeachVagrant avatar
Beach Fanatic
#161
Yes, you are right. Teresa said it correctly a long time ago. It's propaganda. It's gaslighting. Beginning with the bogus title of the thread and continuing with a barrage of misinformation, it is quite reminiscent of Nazi tactics used to dominate the media. No wait, I'm going to take that back. Definitely not Nazi. No way. Just bloviating and badgering.
Ah geeeeeze, again???
BeachSandpiper avatar
Beach Comber
#162
Yes, you are right. Teresa said it correctly a long time ago. It's propaganda. It's gaslighting. Beginning with the bogus title of the thread and continuing with a barrage of misinformation, it is quite reminiscent of Nazi tactics used to dominate the media. No wait, I'm going to take that back. Definitely not Nazi. No way. Just bloviating and badgering.
Wow. There is no way a reasonable discussion can be compared to the horror of "Nazi tactics." That comparison is demeaning to many who have family members who gave their lives or were brutalized by Nazis. You should remove that statement from this discussion. There is absolutely no reason for name calling in a reasoned, adult discussion. Period.
FactorFiction avatar
Beach Fanatic
#163
TOO MUCH!!!

If this were a chess game, it would have been over a long time ago as chess doesn’t depend on bluff or “emotion” as does poker.

To me, this thread has been more about the way BFOs have been disrespected with such ill-will and misinformation by the “carnival barkers” mentioned in post #1 as well as others.

Still, to continue beating a dead horse (which is actually still kicking BTW), nobody here will acknowledge the most egregious thing a person can say about a group of people...that they acted like Nazis (“Jewish grandparents immigrated to this country because of oppression like this.”) Again this was comparing “oppression” to BFOs protecting their private property.

Until one of you guys on the CU side admit that this was a pretty lowly statement from Daniel Uhlfelder, all the “disagrees” and “dislikes” mean ZERO. Somebody needs to speak up against this, not just me. If not, it speaks volumes about our community and human nature.

So far, Dave Rauschkolb has chosen not to do so. Speaking of chess games, I wonder why?

If you are waiting for an apology, BlueMtnBeachVagrant, please don't hold your breath. Even hoping that people will stand up against whatever they see is harmful is not common anymore. Too many keyboard warriors that publicize the names and personal information and then take to social media to discredit them. Social media was such a wonderful tool until people started using it for shaming, bullying, spreading unverified information, etc. It still has some wonderful uses for keeping people connected, but it isn't very social anymore in a lot of circles.
BlueMtnBeachVagrant avatar
Beach Fanatic
#164
If you are waiting for an apology, BlueMtnBeachVagrant, please don't hold your breath. Even hoping that people will stand up against whatever they see is harmful is not common anymore. Too many keyboard warriors that publicize the names and personal information and then take to social media to discredit them. Social media was such a wonderful tool until people started using it for shaming, bullying, spreading unverified information, etc. It still has some wonderful uses for keeping people connected, but it isn't very social anymore in a lot of circles.

Yeah, I know. Taking a breath.

It’s just that if CU proponents can’t even admit to and condemn all this Nazi crap, well it’s just plain sad.

Pawn takes knight. Have to throw in a tiny bit of humor.

Added...BTW, the request for apology/condemnation is not just for me. It’s for the 6 million Jews who were murdered and their families. It’s also for everyone reading this who has a sense of decency regardless of CU position.

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Auburn Fan avatar
Beach Lover
#165
Yes, you are right. Teresa said it correctly a long time ago. It's propaganda. It's gaslighting. Beginning with the bogus title of the thread and continuing with a barrage of misinformation, it is quite reminiscent of Nazi tactics used to dominate the media. No wait, I'm going to take that back. Definitely not Nazi. No way. Just bloviating and badgering.

Bogus? Propaganda? Gaslighting? Misinformation? Nazi tactics!? Dominate the media?

You obviously haven't seen that very real VIOLENT SNIPER MURDER VIDEO! With over 900 views now. And the only person brave enough to confront the video producer has been our Teresa, bless her heart.

It's really easy to sit at a keyboard and throw out some big vocabulary words. How about you give this forum a specific example of just ONE of those big vocab accusations. Prove your point, man. Go ahead. I'll wait.
Lake View Too avatar
SoWal Insider
#166
Thanks for adding to my vocabulary! Unfortunately, since the word bloviating has an inherent negativity to it, I probably won't get many opportunities to use it. I try to treat people the way I would like to be treated. Demeaning and derogatory communications don't work very well for me. I still appreciate learning a new word though.
Bloviating was made famous by Bill O’Reilly, a well known right wing comment or known for his insulting attitude.
Auburn Fan avatar
Beach Lover
#167
Bloviating was made famous by Bill O’Reilly, a well known right wing comment or known for his insulting attitude.

Answer my question. Instead of changing the subject.
BlueMtnBeachVagrant avatar
Beach Fanatic
#168
Bloviating was made famous by Bill O’Reilly, a well known right wing comment or known for his insulting attitude.
Nobody can ever accuse you of not being the sharpest tool in the shed. You keep digging yourself deeper and deeper at an alarming rate.
BlueMtnBeachVagrant avatar
Beach Fanatic
#169
Reggie, amazing how well the picture fits the narrative of some here.
FloridaBeachBum avatar
Beach Fanatic
#170
Answer my question. Instead of changing the subject.
Best thing to do is ignore Lake View. Just wants attention. Does not warrant a reply if all he's got is immature inconsequential banter. All talk, no substance. Wait LV2 won't address a single fact or will reply with his inane banter or a goofy photo.

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Lake View Too avatar
SoWal Insider
#1711
Answer my question. Instead of changing the subject.
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Auburn Fan avatar
Beach Lover
#172
Best thing to do is ignore Lake View. Just wants attention. Does not warrant a reply if all he's got is immature inconsequential banter. All talk, no substance. Wait LV2 won't address a single fact or will reply with his inane banter or a goofy photo.

I see what you mean. His accusations are baseless and his reply is tasteless. Looks like he wants to be a real bully when he grows up.
Jenksy avatar
Beach Fanatic
#173
I see what you mean. His accusations are baseless and his reply is tasteless. Looks like he wants to be a real bully when he grows up.
Exactly what a NAZI would say.
Auburn Fan avatar
Beach Lover
#174
Exactly what a NAZI would say.

To quote last month's comment by you,

"Nice try TROLL. Go back to FACEBOOK."
jodiFL avatar
Beach Fanatic
#175
Well this has quickly turned into a :trainwreck:...
so much for having a "discussion" ...
Dave Rauschkolb avatar
Beach Fanatic
#176
Bloviating? Seriously?

Is it really necessary to resort to an insult against Reggie, instead of just coming up with an honest, well-thought out, educated reply with sound facts and reason?

Meanwhile, there's a very current SERIOUS attack on the culture of our community, waged in social media by well orchestrated agitators, with devastating consequences.

One who enjoys using words like "bloviate" might appreciate a refresher of other word definitions:

Violent:
"using or involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something"

Sniper:
"person who shoots from a hiding place, especially accurately and at long range"

Murder:
"the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another"

Yes. That very list of words strung together makes most of us uncomfortable. As it should everyone. And yet...

A local FLORIDA BEACHES FOR ALL member recently actually produced a VIOLENT SNIPER MURDER video, and just last week posted this disturbing video to a variety of social media platforms using a variety of social media accounts.

The video shows a male with a sniper rifle take aim and viciously shoot another male to death. A crowd of people is also included in the video. Possible portrayal of mass shooting? The video portrays a violent murder and the man dying , right on the beach, in front of Bud and Alley's restaurant.

And what motivated such a horrific video like this?

The large banner caption attached to the violent sniper murder video says:

“Private Beach Problem… Solved”

No wonder so many beachfront homeowners are truly scared.

FLORIDA BEACHES FOR ALL was founded last summer by David Rauschkolb.

This video currently has over 800 views. Over a dozen members have indicated their actual agreement and approval of the video posted online.

Oh, but it's just a video, not the real thing. Fun satire. Right? Fun?
Fun for whom? I can think of hundreds of families for whom that would not be funny at all.

Are we really so desensitized that a video like this is just "nothing"? much less amusing?

How DARE you try to diminish what's going on in our community by calling someone's calm, educated, respectful response to these issues mere "bloviating".

Many civilized people actually welcome this form of respectful discourse, compared to the heightened dramatic false narratives plastered on social media elsewhere. Many greatly appreciate that the moderators here have actually allowed true discourse to occur without the gross censorship that is occurring on other platforms. I for one am starting to have my eyes opened. Already several of the emotional taglines of last summer have proved to be so untrue. I'm personally re-evaluating. A lot.

That vicious video is being promoted as a celebrated solution to our very real, painful conflict from which our community is suffering.

Filmed on location. Just a few hundred feet from our own Seaside Neighborhood School.

Here in Walton County.

Where is the outrage?

Or is no one in the community speaking out because this kind of intense social media intimidation is actually working?

Is no one speaking up, just because we just don't want to bring ever more negativity into our conversations? Kumbaya.

Or are the locals thinking "If I speak out, they will send someone after me with camera and computer in attempt to make a viral YouTube video and make my life miserable"?

Is the outrage eclipsed by fear?

"If you want to control someone, all you have to do is to make them feel afraid."
~Paulo Coelho

Fear not.



Now there is a lie. The person who posted the "shooter" video is not affiliated with Florida Beaches for All in any way. Characterizing that anyone of sound mind would approve of it as well as the leadership of Florida Beaches for all is a lie.

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