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florida girl

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florida girl, better adjust your blouse, for your mile wide chip has been showing since you joined this board. Have you, as a lifelong floridian forgotten that the entire nation comes here to vacation, and most of it's retirees move here? Just because it happened in the panhandle a lot later that it did down south, doesn't mean all of us were unaware it was happening. The people that vacation and move here have been supporting us since flagler built his railroad. Yes, the old timers were quite innovative, they had to be. And yes, they made quite a few mistakes due to trial and error, a perfect example is what the corps of engineers did to the everglades. what they thought was right, has turned out to be a terrible wrong. Maybe what you were calling low lands were actually wetlands all along. as you have stated, we need to grow and add to what we know. I for one believe that filling in a wetland is going against what we (now) know. I love reading about the history you provide us with up here, same as I loved hearing my gtandparent's history of Boca Raton, and Broward and Palm Beach Counties, but please temper the "I'm right, you're wrong because I grew up here" attitude.

Does it surprise you that someone actually disagrees with you? You folks have been handing it out for years, and now you're surprised at a response? So you can dish it out, but can?t take it? By the way, this ain't the Everglades! I haven't seen absolute proof yet to change my mind, so you're right and I'm wrong because you didn't grow up here? What's the difference? Why are you so surprised?
 

Smiling JOe

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Come on Skunky, how do you think all of those people on the continent of Africa got AIDS? FloridaGirl makes a good point -- If we spray poisons on everyone in this area, we won't have to worry about getting AIDS from mosquito bites.
 

Smiling JOe

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Floridagirl, I don't understand your pitch. Are you wanting for the State to give up the Forest and allow all of these uplands to go under development so that we can have even more people down here, crowding the already over-burdened infrastructure, in order for prices to drop? :dunno:
 

florida girl

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Floridagirl, I don't understand your pitch. Are you wanting for the State to give up the Forest and allow all of these uplands to go under development so that we can have even more people down here, crowding the already over-burdened infrastructure, in order for prices to drop? :dunno:

I think the state instead of condeming the small amount of land that's left, needs to exchange it with state owned uplands if the privately owned land is sensitive. I don't think the state needs to be in the real estate business, and I don't think the prices would be what they are creating a greed frenzy if there were more acres available. I think the problem is greed, unrestrained, and I want to call it like I see it. To call these masive entities family friendly is hogwash, a snowjob.
 

John R

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your response is really hard for me to follow, and i'm not sure if it addresses my questions. but i'll give it a try...


Does it surprise you that someone actually disagrees with you?

people disagree with me all the time, they just make sense and provide backup with their points.

You folks have been handing it out for years, and now you're surprised at a response?

which "you folks"? south floridians, or anyone who has moved here in the last 20 years? handing out what?

So you can dish it out, but can?t take it? By the way, this ain't the Everglades!

dish what out? requests for you to provide backup to your points? yeah, sorry about that. again, i can take it, if you would remove your emotions and counter with some support. no this isn't the everglades, obviously my point was lost on you.


I haven't seen absolute proof yet to change my mind, so you're right and I'm wrong because you didn't grow up here? What's the difference? Why are you so surprised?

no, i didn't grow up here(in south walton), so i have no idea of the growth challenges faced by a resort community(region), thanks for setting me straight. exactly, what's the difference? so. fla vs no. fla? surprised at what? what i'm surprised at, is i can't figure if you want controlled growth, or no growth, your responses are too scattered.

somewhat off topic of filling in wetlands, did you ever find any backup to mosquitos transmitting AIDS?
 

florida girl

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Bobby, you say that again. :bang: :bang: :bang:

Florida Girl is anti-intellectual, anti non-sowalian, anti-societal and most of all anti-common sense. While I am sure her father was a good and well-intentioned man, as well as, according to her, on the forefront of technology for his time, based on what FG has said, I am sure that is all true. However, if he were still around I would think such an honorable and community oriented man would still be on the forefront of science and technology today and being such would be looking to preserve and restore the wetlands of the area. That is, using our modern understanding of the environment and its complexities to work in harmony with nature to achieve our communal goals, as opposed to the century old high cost Panama Canal methodology of working against nature to make it habitable to man and bovine. Mother Nature has unlimited forces to work against us. One of the main problems with the old Panama Canal approach is that it depends heavily on the expensive construction and maintenance of ditches and the use of pesticides; something, by the way, that our ancestors did not mind paying high taxes to support. In this day, no one wants to pay for any government service, but everyone wants the benefits of any particular service that services them. Maybe that is yet another reason to employ the newer technology, lower cost and therefore lower taxes. It is a shame that gentleman?s daughter has chosen to limit her understanding of the environment to pre-1975 technology and understanding. We have learned a great deal in the past thirty years, both in the ivory castles and the sand castles.

BTW (although I am sure that 99.99% of the people reading this post realize it) neither people nor cattle are a natural wetland?s flora or fauna, therefore, if either is present then it is no longer a natural wetland and thus mosquitoes will multiply unchecked by nature. The reason for leaving natural wetlands alone is that we cannot create anything nearly as perfect as nature is capable.

Actually, I'm more like him than you even know. He stood for what he believed was right, and got in many a face in debate. You have no idea. He never cowered down to anyone, even governmental authorities.
 

florida girl

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flordia girl, while i agree with your concerns about mosquitos and public health - you can't contract aids via mosquito.

also, your logic is flawed. filling wetlands does not prevent mosquito infestation, we had a HUGE problem with it right here in sandestin because many developer build lakes and ponds that are stagnant on land they are responisble for and don't maintain them to prevent mosquito problems.

so as you can see, holding developers accountable, will hopefully also prevent mosquito infestation which i agree is a public health issue. filling wetlands is irresponsible and does not show respect for any life.

If you had read earlier posts, the definition of wetlands has changed in the last 30 years, what was once considered lowland, now is considered wetland. Saltmarsh was considered wetland. Sandestin came about when Mrs Coffeen died, and left her considerable estate to the organizations, as I understand, National Wildlife Foundation and the Sierra Club. They chose to develop Sandestin, and keep Four Mile as a sanctuary. What's done is done in that regard, what gets me is the very entities that protest the loadest, are the same who started the whole environmental problem here. Call it like it is, hype! Those who accuse or excuse the loadest are usually the culprits of the very thing they fuss against!
 
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