Cost of Iraq War

[6thGen]

Regardless of the hows and whys we are currently involved in a war.

You can argue about the causes all you want (if so, please start another thread) but at the end of the day, we'll still be over there and will have spent hundred of millions of dollars more.

"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

I see something in there on providing for the common defense, but nothing on promoting the general welfare of residents of foreign countries.

 

[Cheering472]

Bin Laden was in Afganistan, not Iraq. You can try to rewrite history all you want, the fact is he was responsible for the 9/11 attack. Saddam was not. If Saddam had WMD that put us in immediate danger at the time we invaded, why didn't he use them against us to protect himself? if he had them and didn't use them, why haven't we found them?

By your rationale we should be attacking Iran today. They are certainly more of a threat than Iraq was 4 years ago.

 

[Cheering472]

Regardless of the hows and whys we are currently involved in a war.

You can argue about the causes all you want (if so, please start another thread) but at the end of the day, we'll still be over there and will have spent hundred of millions of dollars more.

You're right. Sorry for hijacking your thread.

 

[GoodWitch58]

The military says there is "no military solution alone", so yes, if we would factor in the diplomacy and reconstruction, there might be a chance to find an end to this horror.

 

[scooterbug44]

"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

I see something in there on providing for the common defense, but nothing on promoting the general welfare of residents of foreign countries.

The idea is that by improving their living conditions (which we made worse when we invaded) we provide for our common defense.

Parents whose newborn babies are dying in hospitals because their incubators don't have power and whose children are starving because they lost their job at the state factory join the insurgency. Quantifiable improvements in their life make them support us. Violence is the outlet for their frustration and anger. Feed their kids, turn on the power, give them clean water and they tell Al queda to take a hike before they mess up the better life they've now got.

 

[6thGen]

Bin Laden was in Afganistan, not Iraq. You can try to rewrite history all you want, the fact is he was responsible for the 9/11 attack. Saddam was not. If Saddam had WMD that put us in immediate danger at the time we invaded, why didn't he use them against us to protect himself? if he had them and didn't use them, why haven't we found them?

By your rationale we should be attacking Iran today. They are certainly more of a threat than Iraq was 4 years ago.

I said nothing on bin Laden or 9/11, so quit throwing up that strawman. I?d love to move on Iran and behead the government. The Iranian populace is ready for it. Faster, please.

 

[Cheering472]

I don?t believe that we should be going into countries to improve that country?s citizens? living conditions. I supported and continue to support the war because I believe it is a national security issue. I know many will post articles that show how we are less safe, terrorism has increased, etc. but the analyses are in a vacuum. No one can quantify the damage had this country chose to sit on its hands rather than strike. I don?t know that and neither do they. The US was attacked because we continued to show complacency on smaller attacks in the past and because we continue to prove that we don?t have the stomach for war. The cartoon is more silly than serious.

This was the reference to being attacked that I was refering to. Not sure what US attack you meant other than 9/11. That also happens to be the one used most often to justify the war in Iraq.

What attack by Saddam on our country are you speaking of?

 

[Bdarg]

I don?t believe that we should be going into countries to improve that country?s citizens? living conditions. I supported and continue to support the war because I believe it is a national security issue. I know many will post articles that show how we are less safe, terrorism has increased, etc. but the analyses are in a vacuum. No one can quantify the damage had this country chose to sit on its hands rather than strike. I don?t know that and neither do they. The US was attacked because we continued to show complacency on smaller attacks in the past and because we continue to prove that we don?t have the stomach for war. The cartoon is more silly than serious.

I said nothing on bin Laden or 9/11, so quit throwing up that strawman. I?d love to move on Iran and behead the government. The Iranian populace is ready for it. Faster, please.

You may not have typed out those exact words, but you did unequivocally alluded to that statement. That being said start you own thread as you have been politely asked to do.

Now back to the real thread. Micro banking is a great idea, a great cause, and can be done for many areas in need around the world.

Grassroots of one country helping the grassroots of another.

If you would truly like to move to Iran, please do. I am sure we can arrange a micro loan if you need assistance.

 

[30A Skunkape]

If micro loans are good, macro loans must be better. Anyone wanna test this theory on my checking account?

 

[rancid]

I said nothing on bin Laden or 9/11, so quit throwing up that strawman. I?d love to move on Iran and behead the government. The Iranian populace is ready for it. Faster, please.

Hey let's get N Korea, Saudi Arabia, Cuba, Venezuela, Pakistan and anybody else we don't agree with. How about Germany too; I hear they harbored and educated some terrorists involved in 9/11.
All these countries caused us some national security issues therefore meeting 6th gen's criteria for attacking them.