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BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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This sounds terribly familiar.....can we just agree to let Chickpea get the hippie car and be done with it?;-)

Both sides of any argument sound "terribly familiar". The article was interesting and appropriate for the thread because it came from a LOCAL student who appeared to have thought for himself (his Dad works for EXXON, mother for GM, - just kidding!).

However, you're absolutely right. Chickpea should be able to buy any car she desires including a Hummer with pink flowers painted all over it :D . But if she buys a Prius, Mathew Christ's words will haunt her...
"True, it may not have the cachet of the Toyota Prius, but then, it doesn’t carry the premium price tag either.
Or the ugliness."

I personally don't think they're that ugly...just "noticeable" ;-) .
 
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6thGen

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Aug 22, 2005
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Which goes to the point that the Prius is more of an environmentalist status symbol than a environmentally sound car or a well performing one. Prius is to hippies what Hummers are to men with Napoleonic complexes, only worse for the environment.
 

Beemn

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But Hummers come with a glove box full of viagra !
 

Smiling JOe

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Both sides of any argument sound "terribly familiar". The article was interesting and appropriate for the thread because it came from a LOCAL student who appeared to have thought for himself (his Dad works for EXXON, mother for GM, - just kidding!).

After hearing the Sean Hannities of the world speak, I disagree that this student created this article out of his own thoughts.
 

scooterbug44

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There is a term used in the automotive industry called ?energy cost,? which measures the energy needed to build, drive, sell and even dispose of a vehicle. The energy cost is a fi gure that is incredibly hard to find.
The energy cost for a Prius is high, with an average cost of $3.25 per mile, higher than a Hummer H1, which comes in at $1.95. Again, the energy cost covers multiple variables.
The high energy cost of the Prius is primarily caused by the construction of the car. For instance, the energy cost of a Prius would include the energy needed to produce the nickel for the battery that aids in propelling the car. The nickel used in the Prius is mined from a vain out of Sudburry, Ontario. The process to convert that nickel to a medium that can be used by the Prius is a 10,000-mile trek that would give any environmentalist a coronary.

This argument/article is based on misleading and out of date information. The information is from a marketing firm, not an independent reasearcher (3 guesses who paid for the study) and doesn't exactly compare apples and apples. To begin with, they assume a Prius has a 100,000 mile lifespan and a Hummer has a 300,000 life span.

The main argument against the Prius seems to be the enviromental damage at the Sudbury plant.......which occurred in the 70s and 80s! This information is outdated and inaccurrate. See the rebuttals from the 2 sources below:
"The Sudbury info is seriously outdated, and the comment about moon buggies (like, when did Nasa test moon buggies ? early 1970?s) ought to have given the author a clue. Sudbury was polluted by a century of mining (1870 on). In fact, some of Sudbury?s nickel went into making the Statue of Liberty. Currently, the mine is owned by INCO (not Toyota), and produces 100,000 tons of nickel a year, of which Toyota buys 1% (1000 tons). Nickel, by the way, is primarily used to make stainless steel."

"...... article about the Inco nickel factory at Sudbury, Canada, wrongly implied that poisonous fumes from the factory had left the area looking like a lunar landscape because so many plants and trees had died. You also sought to blame Toyota because the nickel is used, among countless other purposes, for making the Prius hybrid car batteries.
In fact any damage occurred more than thirty years ago, long before the Prius was made. Since then, Inco has reduced sulphur dioxide emissions by more than 90 per cent and has helped to plant more than 11 million trees.
The company has won praise from the Ontario Ministry of Environment and environmental groups. Sudbury has won several conservation awards and is a centre for eco-tourism."

Matthew Christ needs to choose his sources better. The main anti-Prius argument is from an article in to the March 7, 2007 issue of the Central Connecticut State "Recorder" a college paper, which is itself being questioned as nothing more than a thin rewrite of the marketing group's press release!
 

6thGen

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After hearing the Sean Hannities of the world speak, I disagree that this student created this article out of his own thoughts.

Without getting into the humans as original thinkers argument, he did cite concrete data showing that the Prius isn't as environmentally friendly as commonly believed. You've yet to produce evidence to the contrary, other than the fact that some of your friends drive one because they want to help save the environment. Anecdotal evidence about friends' opinions doesn't really constitute original thinking either.
 

scooterbug44

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Without getting into the humans as original thinkers argument, he did cite concrete data showing that the Prius isn't as environmentally friendly as commonly believed. You've yet to produce evidence to the contrary, other than the fact that some of your friends drive one because they want to help save the environment. Anecdotal evidence about friends' opinions doesn't really constitute original thinking either.

See my post above for the source of his "concrete data" that you so love and note that he didn't really cite any sources besides a marketing group.
 
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6thGen

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See my post above for the source of his "concrete data" that you so love and note that he didn't really cite any sources besides a marketing group.

Saw that after I posted. Interesting information. My point is that whatever he posted is better than friends' opinions as far as original thinking goes. I'm all for reducing our dependence on oil, and assuming there is money in it, which Prius is proving that there is, entrepreneurs will find a way to make it happen. I'm not an environmentalist, so I can live with the battery disposal, but true environmentalists should take that into account before they go telling everyone how much they care about the environment. I still stand by my statement that it is more of a status symbol.
 

Chickpea

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Chickpea, and other Prius owners, out of curiosity, what do you keep your home and officer thermostat on in July and January, respectively?

I am the wrong person to ask because I am not a huge AC lover - here, in Jan, thermostat is generally off and windows open (cannot stand canned air - need fresh air mostly) and in July, thermostat is between 77-78. I am still trained to turn it off when I leave and back on when we come in (although that may conceivably use up more energy) but we do not have a big house and it gets cool very quickly.
 
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