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Jim Tucker

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Jul 12, 2005
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http://www.waltonsun.com/news/inventory_1935___article.html/walton_rosa.html

July's preliminary figures are in, and for what appears to be the first time in several years, foreclosure filings are no longer going up, up, up.
Filing of the form known as "lis pendens" signals the start of the foreclosure process.
Since May in Okaloosa, Santa Rosa and Walton counties, those filings have begun to taper off slightly. Okaloosa is down 14 percent and Walton has dipped 13 percent, while Santa Rosa is up just 4 percent.
News of this development was met cautiously in local banking and real estate circles, where local executives have been speaking recently of "bumping along the bottom."
"It seems to be some stabilization and the beginning of an improvement," said Bob Bennett of First City Bank. "Hopefully, we're getting that traction and we can start on the upward slope. ... But there are so many different factors at work with the national economy."
Gloria Frazier, owner and broker of ERA American Realty of Northwest Florida, offered two theories on what the recent numbers indicate.
"Hopefully, this does mean we're coming out of this slump and the bottom is here, or almost here," Frazier said. "Second, there could be more short sales that are going through. ... But either way ... I think it's a reason to be cautiously optimistic about the future."
Short sales involve the bank or mortgage company forgiving a certain amount of debt and allowing the house to be sold for less than its original price.
When that process began in recent years, the theory worked better than the practice, which turned out to be complicated and often dragged on for months.
"A year ago, the lenders didn't have the process down as well as they do today," said Carmella Bell of ResortQuest's real estate division. "It's more streamlined now and they have procedures to follow. That could have a lot to do with stabilization of lis pendens. ... Hopefully, people who are upside down in their mortgages are not waiting to ask for help ... and lenders are better prepared."
Even people who are not financially troubled and are trying to sell a home have come to dread the words "too much inventory" when it comes to what's on the market.
Data from the Emerald Coast Association of Realtors' Multiple Listing Service reflects a slight decline in inventory from January through July in Okaloosa, Santa Rosa and Walton counties.
In Okaloosa, there were 1,394 fewer homes on the market during the first seven months of this year than the same period in 2007. In Santa Rosa, that number was 364 fewer. In Walton, the number was down by 1,066.
"It is also encouraging to note the average inventory of the three counties combined has decreased approximately 12 percent from 2007 to 2008," Bell wrote in an e-mail. "Albeit slight, this reduction in the inventory shows signs of a stabilizing market."
As the housing bubble grew in the early part of this decade, prices reached levels that previously were unimagined. But the aftermath of the bubble bursting appears to have introduced sellers to reality.
"Many have reduced their price to a more reasonable listing, hoping to meet market demand," Bell wrote in her e-mail. "Or, if the market isn't demanding the price they want, some have decided to withdraw their property from the market and hold it for a while."
Brian Robinson of ResortQuest's mortgage division agreed.
"It's still a buyer's market, because more realistic pricing is where it needs to be," Robinson said. "You won't see a lot of 100-percent financing. People need that 10 percent or 20 percent down to get more skin in the game. That's reality. And I'm also hearing from people who have been vacationing in condos here for years who can finally afford to buy where they've been renting."
Mike Roche of Northstar Mortgage Group had a similar take.
"Have we come to a bottom? Are we starting to move or whatever? Nobody's got that crystal ball," Roche said. "But we're getting more applications for loans and that's a very good sign. Now's the time to buy when there's inventory out there and rates are still low (below 7 percent). So many buyers were screaming two years ago, ?It's a seller's market.' Well, it's our time now."
 
An Appraiser's Theory

This week an appraiser told me that banks are becoming less aggressive about foreclosure, because if they do take back the property they have to bring the real estate taxes and association dues current at that point and then stay current with same going forward. In the alternate, if they leave it in the borrowers name those costs accrue and carry forward to the ultimate purchaser.

I have no idea if this is really the common thought process. It's just what I was told. It may be one more factor to consider when it comes to the lis pendens stat's.
 

Matt J

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If they don't foreclose that keeps it off the books as bad debt I would assume.
 

ClintClint

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Jul 2, 2008
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No way Jose! The lenders were just waiting for the mortgage bail out plan to be finalized by the morons in Washington. No recovery until the pig in the python foreclosures and ARM resets work their way thru and money is made available to borrowers under reasonable terms.
 
I don't understand yet, tell me more

No way Jose! The lenders were just waiting for the mortgage bail out plan to be finalized by the morons in Washington. No recovery until the pig in the python foreclosures and ARM resets work their way thru and money is made available to borrowers under reasonable terms.


Can you explain further? I wish I understood more about how banks work.. Thanks
 

30ashopper

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Apr 30, 2008
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Right here!
http://www.waltonsun.com/news/inventory_1935___article.html/walton_rosa.html

July's preliminary figures are in, and for what appears to be the first time in several years, foreclosure filings are no longer going up, up, up.
Filing of the form known as "lis pendens" signals the start of the foreclosure process.
Since May in Okaloosa, Santa Rosa and Walton counties, those filings have begun to taper off slightly. Okaloosa is down 14 percent and Walton has dipped 13 percent, while Santa Rosa is up just 4 percent.
News of this development was met cautiously in local banking and real estate circles, where local executives have been speaking recently of "bumping along the bottom."
"It seems to be some stabilization and the beginning of an improvement," said Bob Bennett of First City Bank. "Hopefully, we're getting that traction and we can start on the upward slope. ... But there are so many different factors at work with the national economy."
Gloria Frazier, owner and broker of ERA American Realty of Northwest Florida, offered two theories on what the recent numbers indicate.
"Hopefully, this does mean we're coming out of this slump and the bottom is here, or almost here," Frazier said. "Second, there could be more short sales that are going through. ... But either way ... I think it's a reason to be cautiously optimistic about the future."
Short sales involve the bank or mortgage company forgiving a certain amount of debt and allowing the house to be sold for less than its original price.
When that process began in recent years, the theory worked better than the practice, which turned out to be complicated and often dragged on for months.
"A year ago, the lenders didn't have the process down as well as they do today," said Carmella Bell of ResortQuest's real estate division. "It's more streamlined now and they have procedures to follow. That could have a lot to do with stabilization of lis pendens. ... Hopefully, people who are upside down in their mortgages are not waiting to ask for help ... and lenders are better prepared."
Even people who are not financially troubled and are trying to sell a home have come to dread the words "too much inventory" when it comes to what's on the market.
Data from the Emerald Coast Association of Realtors' Multiple Listing Service reflects a slight decline in inventory from January through July in Okaloosa, Santa Rosa and Walton counties.
In Okaloosa, there were 1,394 fewer homes on the market during the first seven months of this year than the same period in 2007. In Santa Rosa, that number was 364 fewer. In Walton, the number was down by 1,066.
"It is also encouraging to note the average inventory of the three counties combined has decreased approximately 12 percent from 2007 to 2008," Bell wrote in an e-mail. "Albeit slight, this reduction in the inventory shows signs of a stabilizing market."
As the housing bubble grew in the early part of this decade, prices reached levels that previously were unimagined. But the aftermath of the bubble bursting appears to have introduced sellers to reality.
"Many have reduced their price to a more reasonable listing, hoping to meet market demand," Bell wrote in her e-mail. "Or, if the market isn't demanding the price they want, some have decided to withdraw their property from the market and hold it for a while."
Brian Robinson of ResortQuest's mortgage division agreed.
"It's still a buyer's market, because more realistic pricing is where it needs to be," Robinson said. "You won't see a lot of 100-percent financing. People need that 10 percent or 20 percent down to get more skin in the game. That's reality. And I'm also hearing from people who have been vacationing in condos here for years who can finally afford to buy where they've been renting."
Mike Roche of Northstar Mortgage Group had a similar take.
"Have we come to a bottom? Are we starting to move or whatever? Nobody's got that crystal ball," Roche said. "But we're getting more applications for loans and that's a very good sign. Now's the time to buy when there's inventory out there and rates are still low (below 7 percent). So many buyers were screaming two years ago, ?It's a seller's market.' Well, it's our time now."

I read the article and had a little trouble reconciling their numbers with county records, but regardless, the data I'm looking at does show a possible leveling off of foreclosure activity. However, last year we had a drop off in activity in spring only to have it accelerate upward again in the fall. So a few months does not indicate a solid trend. With ARM resets looming, I think it's a safe bet to hold off calling for the start of a decline in foreclosure activity until the beginning of next year. My guess is we'll see a drop off and then a climb again next spring from the ARM reset problem coming down the pipe.

I think it's important to note that Lis Pendens take a long time to work through the system, so if we are peaking right now in initial filings, that peak will bleed into the market from say four months to over a year. Some of the quotes in the article are asking if it's a bottom, but a bottom of what? A bottom for spring sales of single family homes looks to be last year, but July sales seem to have dropped off a cliff. Condo volume is sitting at a bottom right now with no sign of recovery yet. Maybe they're talking about a bottom in pricing? If so, I would say they are being too optimistic, there are still forces entering the market that will continue to apply downward pressure on price for quite some time to come.

On the flip side, a possible saving grace might be the economy. We might avoid a recession (as it is currently looking) and housing will get support from that. Also, inventory does appear to have leveled off finally, but next spring it could shoot back up, there's no way to know until we get there.

My super-genius assessment of this market is this - this market is really really wacky right now! I have no idea what will happen next, but I'm certainly not feeling any pressure to rush into it.
 

30ashopper

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Apr 30, 2008
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Right here!
This week an appraiser told me that banks are becoming less aggressive about foreclosure, because if they do take back the property they have to bring the real estate taxes and association dues current at that point and then stay current with same going forward. In the alternate, if they leave it in the borrowers name those costs accrue and carry forward to the ultimate purchaser.

I have no idea if this is really the common thought process. It's just what I was told. It may be one more factor to consider when it comes to the lis pendens stat's.

From my understanding, it's worse than this. If the property auctions or sells for less than what is owed to the primary lein holder, the associations get totally screwed. They are entitled to a miniscule amount of what is owed, maybe 1% or less, unless they go through a lengthy legal process that often costs more than the overdue balances. So by holding off on foreclosure until the bank feels it can sell, they are basically screwing the associations out of dues the banks would have to pay if the property went back into their name. It's a total cluster f**k by the banks on the little guys, which is pretty sad.
 

fisher

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Sep 19, 2005
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From my understanding, it's worse than this. If the property auctions or sells for less than what is owed to the primary lein holder, the associations get totally screwed. They are entitled to a miniscule amount of what is owed, maybe 1% or less, unless they go through a lengthy legal process that often costs more than the overdue balances. So by holding off on foreclosure until the bank feels it can sell, they are basically screwing the associations out of dues the banks would have to pay if the property went back into their name. It's a total cluster f**k by the banks on the little guys, which is pretty sad.

take a look at the walton county website where you can find all the liens placed on properties by HOA's for lack of payment by owners. the numbers are pretty big and are an indication that the foreclosure numbers may increase dramatically in the future. folks that can't afford to pay the hoa dues are likely in serious trouble.

anyone know how much in unpaid dues are sitting on the books in watersound, watercolor, cypress dunes, the preserve, etc, etc?
 
take a look at the walton county website where you can find all the liens placed on properties by HOA's for lack of payment by owners. the numbers are pretty big and are an indication that the foreclosure numbers may increase dramatically in the future. folks that can't afford to pay the hoa dues are likely in serious trouble.

anyone know how much in unpaid dues are sitting on the books in watersound, watercolor, cypress dunes, the preserve, etc, etc?


So what happens when an HOA places their lien for dues, then files the lis pendens to commence the foreclosure process behind existing encumbrances. I've seen Watercolor HOA commence the action already. Do they need to pay off the first positions or do they have Statutory Priority along with the property taxes?

Can we enjoin through assignment or buy their position outright? Could be an interesting way to earn a living.
 
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