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greenroomsurfer

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What are you trying to say?
Alternative Energy? Henry fords was gonna run his first car off of water. Every lazy ars American has become totally dependent on everyone else, it used to be the other way around. It took 911 for Americans to be proud again. Have you ever seen the coastline in Galveston Texas? Looks great doesn't it. Miss Kitty you can chime in at any time. Here is a site ya might be interested in. http://zeropollutionmotors.us/?page_id=54 Quit being dependent on everyone else Try bio diesel , ethanol hydrogen can I stop beating this dead horse? Oh yea X=5 :love::love::love:
 

grace

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If we don't drill in Florida, where do you suggest we get our oil?

Little Fish
Just how much oil do you suppose 'we' have in our Gulf waters? How many years of drilling untill we see the first drop of oil? I suggest any one who supports drilling watches A Crude Awakening. Quite eye-opening..... and scary.


 

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Oct 25, 2006
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Alternative Energy? Henry fords was gonna run his first car off of water. Every lazy ars American has become totally dependent on everyone else, it used to be the other way around. It took 911 for Americans to be proud again. Have you ever seen the coastline in Galveston Texas? Looks great doesn't it. Miss Kitty you can chime in at any time. Here is a site ya might be interested in. http://zeropollutionmotors.us/?page_id=54 Quit being dependent on everyone else Try bio diesel , ethanol hydrogen can I stop beating this dead horse? Oh yea X=5 :love::love::love:

I agree with you that Americans have become dependent on others and it was not always like that nor should it be. I also agree that hydrogen fuel cells are the wave of the future for powering our cars although too unstable and inefficient at the moment, both of which I understand can be overcome. What you need to understand and consider is that it takes energy to separate hydrogen from oxygen and that energy must come from somewhere, whether nuclear (cheaper than solar and wind) or fossil fuels. Solar is possible but what do you do when its cloudy? It also takes time and money (a great deal of it) to convert your infrastructure to support alternative energies. I think we should invest the time and money now to work through the problems and begin implementation of our most promising (economically and environmentally) alternatives. We can also drill for oil safely off of the Florida and California coast and should do so immediately. Galveston is a convenient comparison but the tarballs are the result of currents that push oil bubbling up from reserves in the Gulf or seeping from ships or barges onto its beaches and probably has little or nothing to do with oil production on the rigs off of the Texas/Louisiana coast. I'll remind you that a bad oil spill in the panhandle did previously occur the result of a passing vessel. Don't think that refusing to drill insulates Florida beaches from a big mess (just ask New Orleans that had a collision involving an oil barge on the Mississippi River right off the French Quarter). I admire the concern for our waters and I love the thrill of catching a wave or watching someone else do it, but don't be so close-minded that the entire country suffers for surfers. Talk to some engineers (not affiliated with the surf groups) and gain a little more knowledge - it might alleviate some of your concerns.
 

greenroomsurfer

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Nov 24, 2006
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I agree with you that Americans have become dependent on others and it was not always like that nor should it be. I also agree that hydrogen fuel cells are the wave of the future for powering our cars although too unstable and inefficient at the moment, both of which I understand can be overcome. What you need to understand and consider is that it takes energy to separate hydrogen from oxygen and that energy must come from somewhere, whether nuclear (cheaper than solar and wind) or fossil fuels. Solar is possible but what do you do when its cloudy? It also takes time and money (a great deal of it) to convert your infrastructure to support alternative energies. I think we should invest the time and money now to work through the problems and begin implementation of our most promising (economically and environmentally) alternatives. We can also drill for oil safely off of the Florida and California coast and should do so immediately. Galveston is a convenient comparison but the tarballs are the result of currents that push oil bubbling up from reserves in the Gulf or seeping from ships or barges onto its beaches and probably has little or nothing to do with oil production on the rigs off of the Texas/Louisiana coast. I'll remind you that a bad oil spill in the panhandle did previously occur the result of a passing vessel. Don't think that refusing to drill insulates Florida beaches from a big mess (just ask New Orleans that had a collision involving an oil barge on the Mississippi River right off the French Quarter). I admire the concern for our waters and I love the thrill of catching a wave or watching someone else do it, but don't be so close-minded that the entire country suffers for surfers. Talk to some engineers (not affiliated with the surf groups) and gain a little more knowledge - it might alleviate some of your concerns.
I agree with some of what your saying but I worked both of these water ways and they have thousand of oil spills. The general public has no clue. Goggle the vessel Megaborg. Barges and ships run aground and go adrift on the Mississippi everyday any the general public is only told what they need to know. The off shore rigs (all 3500 est.) have a pretty good track record considering most things are out of sight out of mind. The bottom line is it's not the oil drilling that is the problem, is that we have so many rule and regulations that there is no way in hell we can put in refineries and comply to all the DEP, EPA etc.
 

full time

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Oct 25, 2006
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I agree with some of what your saying but I worked both of these water ways and they have thousand of oil spills. The general public has no clue. Goggle the vessel Megaborg. Barges and ships run aground and go adrift on the Mississippi everyday any the general public is only told what they need to know. The off shore rigs (all 3500 est.) have a pretty good track record considering most things are out of sight out of mind. The bottom line is it's not the oil drilling that is the problem, is that we have so many rule and regulations that there is no way in hell we can put in refineries and comply to all the DEP, EPA etc.

I thought you might enjoy this article. Fontova is one amazing dude from the north shore in Louisiana. He doesn't have any use for the radical environmentalists or PITA and some will probably find him too edgy but his book Helldivers Rodeo is a captivating read about spearfishing in the Gulf. He's been railing against the good Florida folks about the anti-drilling stance and makes some very compelling arguments for opening Florida to drilling.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=70901
 
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