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TheSheep

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I don't know of any banks that would force a foreclosure on a mortgage that is being paid current. . . . . . . .wait. . . . . . .I take that back, I think I might know someone who is paying his note properly in Watersound West Beach who had a Lis Pendens filed against him just today by his lender.
Out of bankruptcy, perhaps not. In bankruptcy is a different matter. If the 2nd lienholder fears a depreciating asset, payments or not, he may be inclined to stop the bleeding to protect his asset. Remember, most mortgage payments do not return to principal.
 

TheSheep

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Do you think a 2nd tier lienholder can push a party into an involuntary bankruptcy petition?
I believe they can. The only case I have seen where this happened, the Bankruptcy Court Judge/Central District, tossed the request out because the 2nd mortgage had not been perfected. (late filing I think). Note that the judge did not choose to take the simpler course which would have been to disallow the petition. I am led to believe the IBP was spot on.

With such a large set of , overvalued real estate, now upside-downed, 1-2 new home mortgage purchases, bankruptcy lawyers, adversarial and defending, should be having several field years, er days, er years. :dunno:
 

30ashopper

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Right here!
I'm not going to try and predict where we'll be this time next year, there are too many factors involved including the alt-a's, a new president, congressional involvement, and the possibility of investors moving into real-estate to escape the stock market. But I can say with pretty good confidence that Lis Pendens filings and modifications for all of Walton have peaked for 08.

foreclosureactivitywaltoncounty9-08.jpg



The important thing to note though if you're in the market - foreclosures take anywhere from 6-12 months on average to complete from the first filing. So while legal activity has peaked, most of these homes won't be landing in the market till next spring. Which leads me to believe prices still have a signifigant downside to them going forward. If you're buying today, you're probably paying too much.
 
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I believe they can. The only case I have seen where this happened, the Bankruptcy Court Judge/Central District, tossed the request out because the 2nd mortgage had not been perfected. (late filing I think). Note that the judge did not choose to take the simpler course which would have been to disallow the petition. I am led to believe the IBP was spot on.

With such a large set of , overvalued real estate, now upside-downed, 1-2 new home mortgage purchases, bankruptcy lawyers, adversarial and defending, should be having several field years, er days, er years. :dunno:

I did some research since your post. It seems if a party has less than 12 creditors it only takes one to make the involuntary petition. If the party has more than 12 creditors a couple creditors would have to team up to bring the action. I'm betting we'll see an increase in this activity too.
 
I'm not going to try and predict where we'll be this time next year, there are too many factors involved including the alt-a's, a new president, congressional involvement, and the possibility of investors moving into real-estate to escape the stock market. But I can say with pretty good confidence that Lis Pendens filings and modifications for all of Walton have peaked for 08.

foreclosureactivitywaltoncounty9-08.jpg



The important thing to note though if you're in the market - foreclosures take anywhere from 6-12 months on average to complete from the first filing. So while legal activity has peaked, most of these homes won't be landing in the market till next spring. Which leads me to believe prices still have a signifigant downside to them going forward. If you're buying today, you're probably paying too much.

What does "pre-foreclosure activity" represent?
 

TheSheep

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I did some research since your post. It seems if a party has less than 12 creditors it only takes one to make the involuntary petition. If the party has more than 12 creditors a couple creditors would have to team up to bring the action. I'm betting we'll see an increase in this activity too.
In the specific example of finding two preferred, secured mortgagees/creditors (I believe the creditors must be in the same class) - with the Fed bailing out, er, buying out old debt - we shall see what we shall see.

It is possible we are seeing a whole new grazing field. :dunno:
 

cooper

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Any data on percentage of foreclosures on end user owned vs builder/speculative homes?
 
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